BADOLBILZ Posted November 22, 2018 Posted November 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, BillsVet said: You gotta trust the process...even when the process repeatedly changes. How many iterations of the process have they been through after a season and a half? Trust the process = trusssssssst meeeeeeee wrapped in an unlicensed Bill Belichick/Nick Saban Snuggie. Any market that has a flagging pro sports franchise is being told to trust the process and at least half of them hate the fact that their coach claps incessantly after both good and bad plays.
MJS Posted November 22, 2018 Posted November 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I'm not staying we are even close to NFL WR's but I play flag football once a week and all the WR's wear those damn gloves. I very rarely see anyone drop catchable passes that hit WR's in the hands. When I see KB drop a pass that hits him in the hands it just makes me sick. I agree with you. Those gloves make catching the ball very easy. Now add to that the fact that Benjamin probably has huge hands and I don't understand why he drops it so much.
Kirby Jackson Posted November 22, 2018 Posted November 22, 2018 19 minutes ago, BillsVet said: You gotta trust the process...even when the process repeatedly changes. How many iterations of the process have they been through after a season and a half? We shouldn’t have expected this to happen quickly. It’s pretty clear that these guys don’t value speed. 1
KW95 - JA17 Posted November 22, 2018 Posted November 22, 2018 1 minute ago, MJS said: I agree with you. Those gloves make catching the ball very easy. Now add to that the fact that Benjamin probably has huge hands and I don't understand why he drops it so much. cuz defenders have huge hands as well, have more talent and bigger hearts!
MJS Posted November 22, 2018 Posted November 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, KW95 said: cuz defenders have huge hands as well, have more talent and bigger hearts! No, they don't have huge hands. Defensive backs are usually smaller. You can attribute some of the drops to good defensive plays, but a lot of them seem to be just a lack of effort and focus.
wppete Posted November 22, 2018 Posted November 22, 2018 I really hope Robert Foster pans out and becomes a weapon for this team in the years to come.
Cripple Creek Posted November 22, 2018 Posted November 22, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The Buffalo Bills’ wide receiver group has been maligned all season long. Lack of speed, separation, consistency, or reliability has marked the group in 2018. In fact, it wasn’t all too different a year ago. Brandon Beane came from the Carolina Panthers and brought the same approach they had there: towering, possession-type targets with a wide catch radius, and with the intention of facilitating the job of their big, strong-armed QB. The Panthers invested a first round pick in the 6’5″ Kelvin Benjamin in 2014 and a second on the 6’4″ Devin Funchess a year later. Jerricho Cotchery (6’1″) and Brenton Bersin (6’3″) were on the roster, too, with only Ted Ginn Jr. (5’11”) and Corey “Philly” Brown (5’11”) offering great speed in the group in that span. The team found success, especially in the 2015 Super Bowl season, but the running game was always the strength of those Panthers offenses. The passing game was a bit predictable, with Benjamin being the number one target and Ginn responsible for stretching the field vertically. After a historically bad start by the Bills’ offense, it looks like Beane and McDermott have stolen another page from the Panthers’ book. The head coach revealed a talk between himself and the GM about the need to insert speed into the offensive unit before the game versus the Jets. Brandon and I talked a couple weeks ago and we thought we were lacking in the speed department on offense. That’s been an emphasis the last couple of weeks. You saw some of that against the Jets. That just opens things up a little bit, not only for the passing game, but at times, the running game. That’s not the only part of what we’re doing right now, but that’s some of what we’re trying to get on the field at this point. HC McDermott They acted quickly, adding former Broncos wideout Isiah McKenzie to the mix and calling up Robert Foster from the practice squad. The impact was immediate. The running game started to work and the quarterback, Matt Barkley, found success, even having only been with the team for two weeks. Amazing that it took McDefense so long to figure it out. What's tough to defend McGenius? Speed. What do you want on your defense McProcess? Speed. Why do you want speed on your defense McSlow? To combat that of the offense. It really isn't hard to figure out for most. Unfortunately it took our HC a year and a half.
Kirby Jackson Posted November 22, 2018 Posted November 22, 2018 The NFL has been moving to smaller, faster guys for the last 5-10 years. The rules make it so that these guys can get space. They are also less of an injury risk than the used to be because the game is safer. The rules all favor speed and offense. So what did the Bills do? They got big, slow guys that can’t get into open spaces and wondered why it didn’t work. That’s really dumb. 3 1
billsfan_34 Posted November 22, 2018 Posted November 22, 2018 1 hour ago, The Drought said: Kelvin Benjamin say this is fake news. Ever notice KB never holds himself accountable? The sooner he is gone the better. He may be the laziest receiver I have ever watched play.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 22, 2018 Author Posted November 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, wppete said: I really hope Robert Foster pans out and becomes a weapon for this team in the years to come. He would be a great find if he pans out. It was nice to see improvement from the earlier stint on the 53. 1
YoloinOhio Posted November 22, 2018 Posted November 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: The NFL has been trending to speed WRS. If slow you're not going to do well in todays NFL for WR While I agree that speed is helpful, Michael Thomas isn’t very fast and he still gets separation and and catches everything. I still think the two most important aspects of being a successful nfl WR are route running and hands.
KW95 - JA17 Posted November 22, 2018 Posted November 22, 2018 18 minutes ago, MJS said: No, they don't have huge hands. Defensive backs are usually smaller. You can attribute some of the drops to good defensive plays, but a lot of them seem to be just a lack of effort and focus. Trust me, they have huge hands!
JPP Posted November 22, 2018 Posted November 22, 2018 19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: While I agree that speed is helpful, Michael Thomas isn’t very fast and he still gets separation and and catches everything. I still think the two most important aspects of being a successful nfl WR are route running and hands. Kinda helps he's got a guy named Drew Brees throwing the ball at him....
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 22, 2018 Posted November 22, 2018 3 hours ago, inaugural balls said: alright - who let this dirty little secret out? ...probably Benjamin......
Coach Tuesday Posted November 22, 2018 Posted November 22, 2018 53 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: The NFL has been moving to smaller, faster guys for the last 5-10 years. The rules make it so that these guys can get space. They are also less of an injury risk than the used to be because the game is safer. The rules all favor speed and offense. So what did the Bills do? They got big, slow guys that can’t get into open spaces and wondered why it didn’t work. That’s really dumb. The Process = Reverse Moneyball 1
HappyDays Posted November 22, 2018 Posted November 22, 2018 54 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: The NFL has been moving to smaller, faster guys for the last 5-10 years. The rules make it so that these guys can get space. They are also less of an injury risk than the used to be because the game is safer. The rules all favor speed and offense. So what did the Bills do? They got big, slow guys that can’t get into open spaces and wondered why it didn’t work. That’s really dumb. They tried trading up for Christian Kirk. They brought in Robert Foster. They tried to get McKenzie out of Denver twice. They have been trying to add speed all year. Of course they weren't going to fill every hole on the team in one offseason. 3
Kirby Jackson Posted November 22, 2018 Posted November 22, 2018 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: They tried trading up for Christian Kirk. They brought in Robert Foster. They tried to get McKenzie out of Denver twice. They have been trying to add speed all year. Of course they weren't going to fill every hole on the team in one offseason. I loved that they wanted Kirk. They tried to get John Brown too. An UDFA rookie doesn’t count as valuing speed though. If anything, it’s an indictment on their inability to add speed that Foster was the best option. McKenzie was added after the middle of the season as they realized that speed was needed. That’s a reaction to a tragic passing game. They should have made it a bigger priority. Speed isn’t “optional” in today’s NFL. They treated it as such and learned a hard lesson. Thankfully, they did appear to learn that lesson.
NoSaint Posted November 22, 2018 Posted November 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I loved that they wanted Kirk. They tried to get John Brown too. An UDFA rookie doesn’t count as valuing speed though. If anything, it’s an indictment on their inability to add speed that Foster was the best option. McKenzie was added after the middle of the season as they realized that speed was needed. That’s a reaction to a tragic passing game. They should have made it a bigger priority. Speed isn’t “optional” in today’s NFL. They treated it as such and learned a hard lesson. Thankfully, they did appear to learn that lesson. Hopefully! The “can’t fill every hole in one offseason” excuse from happy was pretty weak. Even if you limit it solely to beane — he traded away Sammy and acquired benjamin and Matthews. Had kerley for 6 months and cut him the day after guaranteeing his salary. Never gave Coleman much of a shot. That we are relying on a udfa rookie right now and have benjamin as a starter does certainly reflect on him. He has had time and opportunities to shape the group and he’s made his choices. 2
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