Adrian Peterson--How is this POS still in the NFL today?

[Mr. WEO]

7 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I saw my father do it on my sister, and my wife reports it was part of her father’s repertoire. All  turned out great. Spoiling kids is a worse offense as a parent IMO. 

 

 

So "spoiling" is worse than punishing with physical pain?  You haven't considered that everyone "turned out OK" for reasons other than corporal punishment?  Did the ones who didn't turn out ok not get belted enough?

 

I thought this thread would elicit responses about whether AP deserves to be in the league based on his latest admission (and that it was proof he's an inveterate moron).  Instead there's a majority responses condoning AP's latest admission.

Edited November 22, 2018 by Mr. WEO

[dgrochester55]

Normally, I would say that the belt(used reasonably) is a common punishment, or at least was in the past and alone would not be a big deal.      Coming from AP who did go way to far in beating a child, it is a little concerning.    Not to say that we should automatically assume that it was as bad as the incident a few years ago, but based on the track record a little more worth looking into then it would have been for an average family.

Edited November 22, 2018 by dgrochester55

[Augie]

10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

So "spoiling" is worse than punishing with physical pain?  

 

I thought this thread would elicit responses about whether AP deserves to be in the league based on his latest admission (and that it was proof he's an inveterate moron).  Instead there's a majority responses condoning AP's latest admission.

 

Yeah, we come at this from different points of view, maybe. But yes, spoiling can be far worse than a  slap. The spank can invoke a little fear and respect. My kids went to school with kids who got new cars with bows on the on their 16th birthday in the car line at high school. My kids also went to more funerals than I could have ever imagined.  

 

 

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Edited November 22, 2018 by Augie

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Augie said:

 

Yeah, we come at this from different points of view, maybe. But yes, spoiling can be far worse than a  slap. The spank can invoke a little fear and respect. My kids went to school with kids who got new cars with bows on the on their 16th birthday in the car line at high school. My kids also went to more funerals than was imaginable. 

 

 

This thread isn't about a little spank from AP.

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

This thread isn't about a little spank from AP.

 

There is a line, but that line is fuzzy and has changed over time. And his son isn’t dead. 

[formerlyofCtown]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/11/21/adrian-peterson-admits-he-still-hits-his-son-with-a-belt/

 

He has now admitted he has violated the terms of his reinstatement---leaving aside, if you can, the fact that he still beats his son.

 

He is no man.

 

Will we here from the owners about this or are they still worried about the National Anthem?

 

This is the worst human in the NFL right now.  He needs sock full of doorknobs therapy.

I used to have to go and pick my own switch.  People like you are why the USA has gone to *****.  Thankfully a spanking isnt as bad as prison.  His son will realise that there are consequences.  Now if he is doing it for no reason or out of anger then that is abuse.

 

I wonder how many of these kids that shoot up schools were spanked when they misbehaved?

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Augie said:

 

There is a line, but that line is fuzzy and has changed over time. And his son isn’t dead. 

 

 

His son is alive because his father has beaten him with sticks and now a belt?

 

That's a novel concept.  

 

The line for corporal punishment certainly has gotten less fuzzy over time (TBD not withstanding).  

1 minute ago, formerlyofCtown said:

I used to have to go and pick my own switch.  People like you are why the USA has gone to *****.  Thankfully a spanking isnt as bad as prison.  His son will realise that there are consequences.  Now if he is doing it for no reason or out of anger then that is abuse.

 

I wonder how many of these kids that shoot up schools were spanked when they misbehaved?

 

 

 

How young was your child when you started with the switch?  

 

How do know the kids who shoot up schools weren't beaten regularly?  How did you conclude they were not?

 

People like me, huh.....?

[formerlyofCtown]

53 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

Eh, I don't think spanking works either. I have two young kids and we have tried spanking and we have tried time outs. Both seem to just antagonize them and make them afraid / angry at us. They don't really learn a lesson.

 

The thing that works best for us is removing the kid from the situation and sitting down with them and talking with them (kind of like what we do when we have conflicts with adults).

I think doing both is important.  Its a mistake to not clearly explain to a child specifically why something is wrong and sometimes how actions and behaviors may affect them and others.  The old because I said so doesnt work.  Sometimes doing the same thing works effectively except in the case of violence ironically.

[Dadonkadonk]

Unbelievable people in 2018 are defending this practice.  How you can hit your own child is disgusting.  How can you look in your child's eyes after beating them? You should all be ashamed of yourselves. You are sick and depraved. You and your ilk are not fit to be parents. You belong in prison where the inmates know exactly how to treat child abusers. AP should be kicked out of the league today.  And the defenders of this POS should be kicked off this board.

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

His son is alive because his father has beaten him with sticks and now a belt?

 

That's a novel concept.  

 

The line for corporal punishment certainly has gotten less fuzzy over time (TBD not withstanding).  

 

You totally miss the concept. Discipline may avoid dangerous options. A thousand other factors come into play.  My kids have been to too many funerals, and most were because the kids lacked fear of consequences. They got in over their heads. They let anxiety or depression gets the better of them. A little discipline now may help down the road. I do NOT advocate abuse, but adequate discipline is just fine. 

[dgrochester55]

30 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

So "spoiling" is worse than punishing with physical pain?  You haven't considered that everyone "turned out OK" for reasons other than corporal punishment?  Did the ones who didn't turn out ok not get belted enough?

 

I thought this thread would elicit responses about whether AP deserves to be in the league based on his latest admission (and that it was proof he's an inveterate moron).  Instead there's a majority responses condoning AP's latest admission.

 

 

I have a view somewhere in between of this, I was born in the late 70's and most people in my generation and the baby boomers above got a spankin, or the belt, the switch etc.. when doing something wrong."  Some parents went too far and when kids talked on the playground most tended to know the difference between getting a spanking for being disruptive at a restaurant or church  and the kid that always missed school for falling down the stairs once or twice a month.  

 

Now it is too far on the other side.  Many put their two year olds in front of a tablet, plug them in and cater to their every need.  When they are 18, and are not capable of anything and they wonder why.    Those kids turn out unable to deal with life when they get older.   Any site search on how the first group of kids to grow up with the internet for their entire life shows this.    Discipline of some sort is needed.  How that is done is up for debate.

 

There has to be a way where talking and educating comes first but physical discipline is there as a last resort.

 

Either way, after seeing those pictures of AP's kid from a few years back, I would never trust him as a source on this subject.

 

 

Edited November 22, 2018 by dgrochester55

[formerlyofCtown]

16 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

His son is alive because his father has beaten him with sticks and now a belt?

 

That's a novel concept.  

 

The line for corporal punishment certainly has gotten less fuzzy over time (TBD not withstanding).  

 

How young was your child when you started with the switch?  

 

How do know the kids who shoot up schools weren't beaten regularly?  How did you conclude they were not?

 

People like me, huh.....?

Well appearantly you dont read very well because I said I wonder.  I can actually decipher your political party by your behavior.  Its a shame you helped re-elect Cuomo.  You are also an exstremely unbalanced individual because you started getting upset and formulating your response before you finished reading or you would have seen that I didnt say I used a switch on my kids and you wouldnt infere that i concluded they hadnt been beaten.  This thing getting heated is exactly why this content doesnt belong here.

 

I do believe there is such a thing as abuse and I also believe that when possible, reinforcement is a more effective tool.  I heard that somewhere.  Oh wait,  It was when I was taking Psychology in college.  Youre probably picking an argument with someone that you shouldnt on the subject.

Edited November 22, 2018 by formerlyofCtown

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Augie said:

 

You totally miss the concept. Discipline may avoid dangerous options. A thousand other factors come into play.  My kids have been to too many funerals, and most were because the kids lacked fear of consequences. They got in over their heads. They let anxiety or depression gets the better of them. A little discipline now may help down the road. I do NOT advocate abuse, but adequate discipline is just fine. 

 

There is discipline other than taking your belt off, you know.  

 

I don't see where putting the belt to a kid (let's forget for a minute it was a 4 year old) will prevent "anxiety and depression get the better of them".

 

You can't simply smack mental illness out of someone.  

Just now, formerlyofCtown said:

Well appearantly you dont read very well because I said I wonder.  I can actually decipher your political party by your behavior.  Its a shame you helped re-elect Cuomo.  You are also an exstremely unbalanced individual because you started getting upset and formulating your response before you finished reading or you would have seen that I didnt say I used a switch on my kids and you wouldnt infere that i concluded they hadnt been beaten.  This thing getting heated is exactly why this content doesnt belong here.

 

 

I don't belong to a political party---I think belonging to a party is an admission that you can't think or make adult decisions on your own.  Re-elect Cuomo?  LOL, good one.  He's a crook like the rest.  

 

I read you very well, but the way.  

[formerlyofCtown]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

There is discipline other than taking your belt off, you know.  

 

I don't see where putting the belt to a kid (let's forget for a minute it was a 4 year old) will prevent "anxiety and depression get the better of them".

 

You can't simply smack mental illness out of someone.  

 

 

I don't belong to a political party---I think belonging to a party is an admission that you can't think or make adult decisions on your own.  Re-elect Cuomo?  LOL, good one.  He's a crook like the rest.  

 

I read you very well, but the way.  

No you didnt.

[Prickly Pete]

I'm still trying to figure out why people beat their kids with an object like a belt or stick?

 

I'm not averse to spanking children (I spanked my children, mildly), but when you start using weapons...it seems to be taking it all into a weird sadistic scene.

Edited November 22, 2018 by OJ Tom

[JinxedBill1]

I asked AP's son how he was able to still be doing all of this.

 

AP's son stated "Beats me."  LOL ok I'll see my way out...

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, formerlyofCtown said:

No you didnt.

 

But you've given away your party affiliation.  Tell me, how often do you think your party leader was belted as a child? 

 

But your suggestion that belting your kids will possibly keep them out of "prison" is some real fantasy stuff.

 

2 minutes ago, OJ Tom said:

I'm still trying to figure out why people beat their kids with an object like a belt or stick?

 

I'm not averse to spanking children (I spanked my children, mildly), but when you start using weapons...it seems to be taking it all into a weird sadistic scene.

 

 

To keep them alive, out of jail and free of mental illness, by all accounts.

 

And it must have superior prophylactic results to a slap on the butt.

2 minutes ago, JinxedBill1 said:

I asked AP's son how he was able to still be doing all of this.

 

AP's son stated "Beats me."  LOL ok I'll see my way out...

 

 

Oh man!

[Augie]

1 minute ago, OJ Tom said:

I'm still trying to figure out why people beat their kids with object like belts and sticks?

 

I'm not averse to spanking children (I spanked my children, mildly), but when you start using weapons...it seems to be taking it all into a weird sadistic scene.

 

Crazy thought, but my mom used to swat me with a spatula, but I knew it was coming so I’d put on a half dozen pair of underwear!

 

I only once swatted one of my children. He was in the backseat, reached up front distracting ME, the driver, and I smacked his arm. That's decades ago, and I still vividly remember the look of shock on his face. He learned. That’s a good thing. AMAZING young man. 

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Crazy thought, but my mom used to swat me with a spatula, but I knew it was coming so I’d put on a half dozen pair of underwear!

 

I only once swatted one of my children. He was in the backseat, reached up front distracting ME, the driver, and I smacked his arm. That's decades ago, and I still vividly remember the look of shock on his face. He learned. That’s a good thing. AMAZING young man. 

 

 

But that's not what we are talking about with AP.  

 

 

This isn't about the occasional swat.

[Prickly Pete]

Just now, Augie said:

 

Crazy thought, but my mom used to swat me with a spatula, but I knew it was coming so I’d put on a half dozen pair of underwear!

 

I only once swatted one of my children. He was in the backseat, reached up front distracting ME, the driver, and I smacked his arm. That's decades ago, and I still vividly remember the look of shock on his face. He learned. That’s a good thing. AMAZING young man. 

 

I always thought of it more as a mild embarrassment, than about inflicting pain on the child. Just a quick pointed message of "there are consequences for poor behavior or judgement".