Royale with Cheese Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 On 11/16/2018 at 3:05 PM, jrober38 said: Taylor's career QB Rating is 89. The Bills total QB Rating this year is 57. Hard to imagine any scenario where Taylor stinks it up as badly as our QBs have. If he'd produced his typical 14 TDs, 6 Interceptions type season, with a QB Rating around 90, we'd be in the thick of the playoff race. People don't seem to understand how truly horrible our QB play has been this season. With mediocre starter level QB play this would be a really good team. Expand Why aren't you using Taylor's QB rating this year? It's 64.5. His QB rating has dropped every single year since 2015 and why would it be assumed that the regression pattern doesn't continue to go down? This is what he did this year with better weapons. On 11/16/2018 at 3:08 PM, CuddyDark said: Funny thing is he doesn't have to be better. If he's just what he's always been we'd be in the hunt. Even if JA beat TT out he'd be the best backup because he's a team player. He'd be the best backup JA could have at this point. Beane mismanaged the QB position at starter and backup. Expand But he hasn't been better. He was bad this year which is why he was benched after 3 weeks.
Bing Bong Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) On 11/16/2018 at 3:09 PM, Royale with Cheese said: Why aren't you using Taylor's QB rating this year? It's 64.5. His QB rating has dropped every single year since 2015 and why would it be assumed that the regression pattern doesn't continue to go down? This is what he did this year with better weapons. Expand His team got worse every year. And that's 2.25 games with one 94.6 = Buffalo win, Browns loss. Why would we weigh 1/8th of a season equally to other seasons lol Take his career numbers and just think he lost at least one starting caliber receiver with no replacement every year. Edited November 16, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks
jrober38 Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 On 11/16/2018 at 3:09 PM, Royale with Cheese said: Why aren't you using Taylor's QB rating this year? It's 64.5. His QB rating has dropped every single year since 2015 and why would it be assumed that the regression pattern doesn't continue to go down? This is what he did this year with better weapons. Expand The sample size is a bit small to try and draw meaningful conclusions from. For a guy who throws interceptions about as infrequently as anyone in the league to throw 2 in 40 attempts, it's going to make the bottom line look pretty bad. Over the course of 300 passes, that number would go up dramatically. Taylor is a low ceiling, high floor type player who isn't going to lose many games. He takes care of the football which is something our QBs haven't done all year. Again, the Bills QBs have a collective QB Rating of 57 over 317 pass attempts. That's the lowest total since the 2010 Carolina Panthers.
Teddy KGB Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) On 11/16/2018 at 2:57 PM, CuddyDark said: LMAO. I think they'd have a mutiny. He's on the bench because Mayfield is probably a generational player for the Browns. If he was in Buffalo he'd be starting and we'd be in the PO hunt. Expand This is fake news He sucked he got benched, wouldn’t the generational player be the guy in KC whose actually doing things ? Mayfield looked like crap vs Tampa’s terrible defense Edited November 16, 2018 by Teddy KGB
Royale with Cheese Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 On 11/16/2018 at 3:11 PM, PetermanThrew5Picks said: His team got worse every year. And that's 2.25 games with one 94.6 = Buffalo win, Browns loss. Expand So I guess that 1 TD, 94.6 rating game makes up for the 2 others in which he was awful? Mayfield was supposed to sit and learn this year but Taylor couldn't hold onto the job. His offensive talent this year is better than Buffalo's this year and he was going to be better here?
CuddyDark Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 On 11/16/2018 at 3:09 PM, Royale with Cheese said: Why aren't you using Taylor's QB rating this year? It's 64.5. His QB rating has dropped every single year since 2015 and why would it be assumed that the regression pattern doesn't continue to go down? This is what he did this year with better weapons. But he hasn't been better. He was bad this year which is why he was benched after 3 weeks. Expand He doesn't have to be better, being what he always is makes him better than everyone we have this season. Also why would anyone judge a career off two games against two of the best teams in football and a third game where he was injured. Take his career average. His career average makes us a PO contender.
jrober38 Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 On 11/16/2018 at 3:09 PM, Royale with Cheese said: But he hasn't been better. He was bad this year which is why he was benched after 3 weeks. Expand Which number is higher? 64 or 57? Even with a tiny sample size, Taylor's horrible 64 QB Rating is still better than the Bills' 57, or Josh Allen's 61.
Royale with Cheese Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 On 11/16/2018 at 3:14 PM, jrober38 said: The sample size is a bit small to try and draw meaningful conclusions from. For a guy who throws interceptions about as infrequently as anyone in the league to throw 2 in 40 attempts, it's going to make the bottom line look pretty bad. Over the course of 300 passes, that number would go up dramatically. Taylor is a low ceiling, high floor type player who isn't going to lose many games. He takes care of the football which is something our QBs haven't done all year. Again, the Bills QBs have a collective QB Rating of 57 over 317 pass attempts. That's the lowest total since the 2010 Carolina Panthers. Expand He regressed every year. The passing offense was never good here even. It continued in Cleveland. This is a 4 year pattern. He doesn't throw INT's because he is conservative. That's why his rating is okay but passing yards are so low.
CuddyDark Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 On 11/16/2018 at 3:15 PM, Teddy KGB said: This is fake news He sucked he got benched, wouldn’t the generational player be the guy in KC whose actually doing things ? Expand Fact say he got injured and never got the job back. You say whatever you makeup in your mind. Generational player for the Browns. Meaning the best QB the Browns have had in a generation.
Teddy KGB Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 On 11/16/2018 at 3:17 PM, jrober38 said: Which number is higher? 64 or 57? Even with a tiny sample size, Taylor's horrible 64 QB Rating is still better than the Bills' 57, or Josh Allen's 61. Expand Lets all listen to the anti Allen crusaders deep thoughts after a rookies 5 game sample size ??♂️??♂️
Royale with Cheese Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 On 11/16/2018 at 3:17 PM, jrober38 said: Which number is higher? 64 or 57? Even with a tiny sample size, Taylor's horrible 64 QB Rating is still better than the Bills' 57, or Josh Allen's 61. Expand This isn't a very good argument JRober and I think you know it. The difference between 57 and 64 rating is very small.
CuddyDark Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 On 11/16/2018 at 3:18 PM, Royale with Cheese said: He regressed every year. The passing offense was never good here even. It continued in Cleveland. This is a 4 year pattern. He doesn't throw INT's because he is conservative. That's why his rating is okay but passing yards are so low. Expand That's also why his Bills teams finished .500. That and having the #1 running game, which he's probably 30 or 40% responsible for. On 11/16/2018 at 3:20 PM, Royale with Cheese said: This isn't a very good argument JRober and I think you know it. The difference between 57 and 64 rating is very small. Expand Might be big enough to beat the Texans.
jrober38 Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) On 11/16/2018 at 3:18 PM, Royale with Cheese said: He regressed every year. The passing offense was never good here even. It continued in Cleveland. This is a 4 year pattern. He doesn't throw INT's because he is conservative. That's why his rating is okay but passing yards are so low. Expand You seem to be ignoring the fact that the Bills have the worst QB play the NFL has seen in 9 years. Everything you said is correct. What you're missing, is that even with all those things being correct, Tyrod Taylor is still a much better QB than anyone on our roster. The Bills QBs in 2018 have been historically awful. Taylor isn't a good player, but he's not even remotely close to as bad as any of the guys we've trotted out this year. Taylor's yards are better than any of our QBs who can't 'complete passes, don't throw touchdowns, and frequently turn the ball over. Tyrod is a limited QB, who is below average by NFL standards with no upside. The Bills QBs in 2018 have been a complete train wreck by ever measure available. Edited November 16, 2018 by jrober38 1
Bing Bong Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 On 11/16/2018 at 3:16 PM, Royale with Cheese said: So I guess that 1 TD, 94.6 rating game makes up for the 2 others in which he was awful? Mayfield was supposed to sit and learn this year but Taylor couldn't hold onto the job. His offensive talent this year is better than Buffalo's this year and he was going to be better here? Expand No he would have won on this defense. Different teams dude.
Teddy KGB Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 On 11/16/2018 at 3:18 PM, CuddyDark said: Fact say he got injured and never got the job back. You say whatever you makeup in your mind. Generational player for the Browns. Meaning the best QB the Browns have had in a generation. Expand Facts are he had 19 yards passing. Facts are he couldn’t win a game with 6 turnovers. You know this, stop playing games. Adios muchacho.
jrober38 Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 On 11/16/2018 at 3:19 PM, Teddy KGB said: Lets all listen to the anti Allen crusaders deep thoughts after a rookies 5 game sample size ??♂️??♂️ Expand Allen has looked exactly like the scouting reports said he'd look. Inconsistent accuracy, poor pocket presence, and limited ability to read a defense. He's got a big arm and can run around, but it doesn't amount to much yet.
Royale with Cheese Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 On 11/16/2018 at 3:16 PM, CuddyDark said: He doesn't have to be better, being what he always is makes him better than everyone we have this season. Also why would anyone judge a career off two games against two of the best teams in football and a third game where he was injured. Take his career average. His career average makes us a PO contender. Expand The Jets are one of the worst teams in football, we just had a guy without a lot of weapons on offense who hasn't played since 2016 put up a great game. Taylor had 14 yards at halftime against the Jets. Take his career average when the pattern is declining every year? If we're using that logic, Sam Bradford posting a 62.5 passer rating this year but since he's got a career average of 84.5....he's still good. On 11/16/2018 at 3:20 PM, CuddyDark said: That's also why his Bills teams finished .500. That and having the #1 running game, which he's probably 30 or 40% responsible for. Might be big enough to beat the Texans. Expand Are we ignoring we lost Richie Incognito and Eric Wood? 40% of our starting offensive line? Both positions have had their starters replaced because the ones who filled in for them were terrible.
Bing Bong Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) On 11/16/2018 at 3:19 PM, Teddy KGB said: Lets all listen to the anti Allen crusaders deep thoughts after a rookies 5 game sample size ??♂️??♂️ Expand cmon man, anti project rookie quarterbacks the coaches didn't intend to start in the first place? sure we'll crusade on that platform where Peterman ends up starting on that basis Baker ain't no project rookie, I questioned why he didn't start in the first place, I'm sure he won camp. Edited November 16, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks
Royale with Cheese Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 On 11/16/2018 at 3:22 PM, jrober38 said: You seem to be ignoring the fact that the Bills have the worst QB play the NFL has seen in 9 years. Everything you said is correct. What you're missing, is that even with all those things being correct, Tyrod Taylor is still a much better QB than anyone on our roster. The Bills QBs in 2018 have been historically awful. Taylor isn't a good player, but he's not even remotely close to as bad as any of the guys we've trotted out this year. Taylor's yards are better than any of our QBs who can't 'complete passes, don't throw touchdowns, and frequently turn the ball over. Tyrod is a limited QB, who is below average by NFL standards with no upside. The Bills QBs in 2018 have been a complete train wreck by ever measure available. Expand Yes the Bills QB's have been historically awful. I don't think Taylor changes that much at all because we would still have the same problems. The excuse for Taylor why we didn't have a passing offense in Buffalo is because of the lack of weapons....still don't have weapons. Cleveland had better weapons and he lasted until week 3 until he was benched.
Teddy KGB Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 On 11/16/2018 at 3:27 PM, PetermanThrew5Picks said: cmon man, anti project rookie quarterbacks the coaches didn't intend to start in the first place? sure we'll crusade on that platform where Peterman ends up starting on that basis Expand Peterman had to start after Tyrods ineptitude as well. I’ll give the rookie 2 years before I start to crucify him.
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