Is this a playoff team with Tyrod?

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Not again.

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Really? 

 

Me calling Josh Allen, who currently ranks dead last in pretty much every passing category for starting QBs, a long shot of being successful isn't being objective?

 

Maybe you should look in the mirror. 

 

A) I get that you want Allen to succeed, but it probably won't happen. B) That's reality when you pick a QB in round 1. 

 

A) YOU don’t? Just to be right? I think you do too, but.....

 

B) Then why hold it up as a “we must clean house point”. It IS the reality. I wished we had gotten to #3 and lucked into Darnold. Now even that looks questionable. We don’t know at this point. I post here a lot, but very rarely get too riled up about anything. It’s a game and we’ll just have to wait and see. 

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

A) YOU don’t? Just to be right? I think you do too, but.....

 

B) Then why hold it up as a “we must clean house point”. It IS the reality. I wished we had gotten to #3 and lucked into Darnold. Now even that looks questionable. We don’t know at this point. I post here a lot, but very rarely get too riled up about anything. It’s a game and we’ll just have to wait and see. 

 

Wrong.

 

I want Allen to succeed. I want the Bills to be successful and contend for Super Bowls.

I just don't think the current franchise make up at GM, HC, or QB are going to make that happen. 

 

I go to 4, sometimes 5 Bills games a year. This year has been the least entertaining team I've ever seen. I'm locked into going to the Jets and Lions games in December and couldn't have less interest in going to either game. 

 

I go to the games because I want to be entertained, and I want to see the team win. 

 

Neither of those things is happening this year. 

Edited November 16, 2018 by jrober38

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Really? 

 

Me calling Josh Allen, who currently ranks dead last in pretty much every passing category for starting QBs, a long shot of being successful isn't being objective?

 

Maybe you should look in the mirror. 

 

I get that you want Allen to succeed, but it probably won't happen. That's reality when you pick a QB in round 1. 

Well, let me see. I have never stated that Allen was going to be good or bad, only that I was willing to wait through next season before drawing any definitive conclusions. You have been declaring him a bust in every other post you have written since he was drafted and use stats from 20 quarters of play and 139 attempts to justify a conclusion you reached before he ever stepped on the field.

 

It sure does sounds like one of us is not being objective and reasonable. I wonder which one?  Hmmm...

[LSHMEAB]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

Nope.

 

The Bills should have tanked in 2017 and walked away from the draft with a franchise QB, another 1st round pick, two 2nd round picks, and three 3rd round picks.

 

We could have had a franchise altering draft. Instead we traded away almost all of our assets for Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmunds and went all in on two players. 

Yeah, but then we'd be saddled with Mayfield instead of surefire HOF'er Josh Allen who brings his lunchpail to work.

 

We don't need any of that swagger around these parts.

[CuddyDark]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

A) YOU don’t? Just to be right? I think you do too, but.....

 

B) Then why hold it up as a “we must clean house point”. It IS the reality. I wished we had gotten to #3 and lucked into Darnold. Now even that looks questionable. We don’t know at this point. I post here a lot, but very rarely get too riled up about anything. It’s a game and we’ll just have to wait and see. 

There's a difference between wanting a player to succeed and having blinders for that player. Everyone of us want to win the SB but that doesn't mean we have to say JA is great and the Bills are better without TT when that is just not true.

[HOUSE]

17 hours ago, gobills1212 said:

If a tree falls in the woods and no oneis around to hear it, does it make a sound?

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, CuddyDark said:

The conclusion I draw from his 8 year career is TT would be the best QB on the Bills roster and we'd probably have 5 or 6 wins. No way in hell TT throws 3 Ints in Indy or the 7 Peterman threw in his games. It's more likely TT would have 300+ rushing yards and 2INT at this point.

 

We were down 24 to nothing to Indy by halftime.  Anderson threw one INT in the first half that lead to 3 points.  That game was well over before Anderson threw 2 more picks.

So you think with this offense, Taylor would win a shootout against Andrew Luck to win that game?

[BobChalmers]

17 hours ago, TigerJ said:

I think the odds are against it given the degraded state of the offensive line.  One of the negatives on Tyrod is the time it takes him to read a defence and decide what he's going to do with the ball.  It led to a quite a few sacks even with his scrambling ability.  He would have had less time this year before the pockiet collapsed.  We'll see how the line does moving forward if Teller and Sirles continue to start in place of Ducasse and Mills.  

 

YES - this "TT can mask a bad OL" trope is flat-out wrong.  Sure he can run fast - so can Allen.

 

TT had terrible pocket awareness, poor vision in the pocket, and absolutely glacial decision making.  He made the OL look WORSE in pass coverage, not better.

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said:

Yeah, but then we'd be saddled with Mayfield instead of surefire HOF'er Josh Allen who brings his lunchpail to work.

 

We don't need any of that swagger around these parts.

 

McDermott said it himself - he values culture more than strategy. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

22 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Nobody expected it would be good enough at this point. They are gambling that they can mold him into something that WILL BE good enough. You seem to very very doubtful (at best) they can do it. I have my own reservations but I’ll remain hopeful, because that’s all I can do. But nobody knows for sure yet. So we wait and pray..... 

 

 

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..agree bud, but they whiffed badly on the offensive side of the ball.....Castillo is not a talent developer....and despite Culley's accolades, not sure how his WR coaching experience translates into QB development.....beside if he has 25+ years' experience along with Robiskie's 35 years WR Coach experience, how the hell do we have guys that cannot run routes?...think that is "elementary my dear Watson"....10 picks and FA $$$ will be this gang's defining year in 2019, perhaps one of the most pivotal since Polian era....same place as in 2-7 next year at this time may be "color me pink" as in slips.....just a thought......

[Soda Popinski]

This isn't a .500 team with Taylor.  

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Wrong.

 

I want Allen to succeed. I want the Bills to be successful and contend for Super Bowls.

I just don't think the current franchise make up at GM, HC, or QB are going to make that happen. 

 

I go to 4, sometimes 5 Bills games a year. This year has been the least entertaining team I've ever seen. I'm locked into going to the Jets and Lions games in December and couldn't have less interest in going to either game. 

 

I go to the games because I want to be entertained, and I want to see the team win. 

 

Neither of those things is happening this year. 

 

OK, you answered point A. And it was the right answer! 

[Royale with Cheese]

7 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Because we had a bottom 5 starting QB.

 

Why is it worse this year?

 

 

Maybe it's because we have $12 million invested in the offensive line, no running game a revolving door at WR with a rookie QB who wasn't supposed to start?

Allen's issues right now are the same as Taylor's i.e leaving the pocket early, holding onto the ball, inaccurate etc....

That's been my point this entire time.  I know our offense is bad and what Taylor has shown, especially the last few years is he wouldn't have done much better with this same exact squad.

[BobChalmers]

7 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

 

Tyrod Taylor sucks.

 

Josh Allen is worse.

 

I get that a lot of people don't want to accept that, but that's not my problem. 

 

No, you're problem is a you're a troll.

 

How anyone complains at this stage about a rookie 7th overall pick who's 2-3 on a team that's 1-4 without him really can only have one explanation. 

 

HINT: It doesn't involve a surplus of objectivity or intellect.

[CuddyDark]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

We were down 24 to nothing to Indy by halftime.  Anderson threw one INT in the first half that lead to 3 points.  That game was well over before Anderson threw 2 more picks.

So you think with this offense, Taylor would win a shootout against Andrew Luck to win that game?

Shootout? I remember that game differently. Luck barely threw the ball at all. Ints, fumbles, punts. That's what I remember.

[jrober38]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Maybe it's because we have $12 million invested in the offensive line, no running game a revolving door at WR with a rookie QB who wasn't supposed to start?

Allen's issues right now are the same as Taylor's i.e leaving the pocket early, holding onto the ball, inaccurate etc....

That's been my point this entire time.  I know our offense is bad and what Taylor has shown, especially the last few years is he wouldn't have done much better with this same exact squad.

 

Pretty sure the GM and HC hand picked the WRs and had plenty of time to make changes to the OL.

 

Not trading away all their draft picks might have helped them upgrade their blocking. No one forced them to go all in on Allen or Edmunds. 

[Augie]

9 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

..agree bud, but they whiffed badly on the offensive side of the ball.....Castillo is not a talent developer....and despite Culley's accolades, not sure how his WR coaching experience translates into QB development.....beside if he has 25+ years' experience along with Robiskie's 35 years WR Coach experience, how the hell do we have guys that cannot run routes?...think that is "elementary my dear Watson"....10 picks and FA $$$ will be this gang's defining year in 2019, perhaps one of the most pivotal since Polian era....same place as in 2-7 next year at this time may be "color me pink" as in slips.....just a thought......

 

I’m NOT arguing they got the offense right. That would be foolish. I’m just saying I don’t pull the plug after this year, and if they continue to get things going generally in the right direction (cap, drafts, etc.) I’d give them another shot at QB after next year if it’s the thing to do. Bottom line is, it doesn’t matter what WE think, because WE don’t get a say. 

 

And I don’t get too worked up about stuff I can’t control. That’s an important life lesson, to me anyway. 

 

 

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Edited November 16, 2018 by Augie

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, CuddyDark said:

Shootout? I remember that game differently. Luck barely threw the ball at all. Ints, fumbles, punts. That's what I remember.

 

He threw 3 TD's in the first half.  He didn't need to throw the ball a lot because they were up by 3+ scores early on.  We would have to throw to keep up which hasn't been our strength in years.

[Augie]

 

 

I get that this team totally lacks offense, and that’s largely what fun to watch. THAT is why the NFL is doing everything possible to encourage more offense and points. We don’t have that now, so it’s less fun than it should be. I’m just having more patience than many, it seems.