billsfan1959 Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, Stank_Nasty said: well not for me. earlier on the page I stated i'm annoyed with that posters thoughts on allen but his points in this thread and topic are fairly accurate. Not really. This is the same Taylor that led the 31st ranked passing offense last year and the 30th ranked passing offense in 2016 (with the benefit of the 1st ranked rushing offense). He is in his fifth year and on his third team - and riding the bench. The legend of Tyrod just seems to grow....
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: Not really. This is the same Taylor that led the 31st ranked passing offense last year and the 30th ranked passing offense in 2016 (with the benefit of the 1st ranked rushing offense). He is in his fifth year and on his third team - and riding the bench. The legend of Tyrod just seems to grow.... We have the number 1 defense in the league. We are getting crushed because of interceptions. Tyrod maybe didnt lead a prolific passing offense, but he didn't turn the ball over, which is literally all we need to be a 500% team right now (headed into the easiest second half schedule in the league) 1
Stank_Nasty Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: Not really. This is the same Taylor that led the 31st ranked passing offense last year and the 30th ranked passing offense in 2016 (with the benefit of the 1st ranked rushing offense). He is in his fifth year and on his third team - and riding the bench. The legend of Tyrod just seems to grow.... you are totally missing the point. the question isn't whether the offense would be any good. its whether or not it would be better than the HISTORICALLY bad one the team fielded through 9 games. 10 ppg and 22 TO's.... we both know it wouldn't have been that bad. even just cut those to's in half and the defense is even better than it already has been. IMO theres a couple more wins there. offense still woulda sucked. just not to historical levels.
Teddy KGB Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: We have the number 1 defense in the league. We are getting crushed because of interceptions. Tyrod maybe didnt lead a prolific passing offense, but he didn't turn the ball over, which is literally all we need to be a 500% team right now (headed into the easiest second half schedule in the league) 29th ranked offense 1st ranked defense = no playoffs.
Stank_Nasty Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: We have the number 1 defense in the league. We are getting crushed because of interceptions. Tyrod maybe didnt lead a prolific passing offense, but he didn't turn the ball over, which is literally all we need to be a 500% team right now (headed into the easiest second half schedule in the league) yup. some people aren't grasping it. they're so trigger happy about tyrod they think it means people are saying he was good. he wasn't . 1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said: 29th ranked offense 1st ranked defense = no playoffs. 10 ppg and 22 TO = no playoffs and both numbers WAY WORSE than last year. Edited November 16, 2018 by Stank_Nasty
ctk232 Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 13 hours ago, KzooMike said: We have almost a carbon copy of last years team in an even weaker playoff battle. With Tyrod I think it would have been back to back playoff years. Give him two turnovers in a game and he wins more often than not. No, I don't think he's good. But what he does do is protect the ball, enhance the running game, and to some extent mask poor offensive line play. Whats even more silly about the whole thing is he gets traded to the exact same situation he would have faced here. Perhaps he would have had the same fate in Buffalo he has in Cleveland if he was retained. I know Taylor has been talked to nauseous levels. I just find the thought process on this interesting and I'm curious what others think. Is this a playoff team with Taylor? Quite the opposite, the OL saved TT more times than anyone can count. The whole reason people were able to complain about him holding onto the ball too long was due to the OL protection in the first place. Between Glenn, Richie, and Wood - TT had a lot of protection to work with and those three extended plays for him left and right, he just never threw the ball. Put him behind this line with these WRs and we fair no better.
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: 29th ranked offense 1st ranked defense = no playoffs. Wait, that isn't responsive to what I said. I don't know what you are getting at here.
billsfan1959 Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, Stank_Nasty said: you are totally missing the point. the question isn't whether the offense would be any good. its whether or not it would be better than the HISTORICALLY bad one the team fielded through 9 games. 10 ppg and 22 TO's.... we both know it wouldn't have been that bad. even just cut those to's in half and the defense is even better than it already has been. IMO theres a couple more wins there. offense still woulda sucked. just not to historical levels. Not missing the point at all. I just happen to think it is a silly point. They got a 3rd round pick for a QB that wouldn't have made this team much better this year, if better at all, and that the Brown's could not get anything for at this point. Why in the world would you want to keep a QB that you are arguing would only have made this team marginally better, at best?
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Not missing the point at all. I just happen to think it is a silly point. They got a 3rd round pick for a QB that wouldn't have made this team much better this year, if better at all, and that the Brown's could not get anything for at this point. Why in the world would you want to keep a QB that you are arguing would only have made this team marginally better, at best? We would be in the playoffs but for the TT trade. Long term we got the better deal, sure. Its a smart move in that respect. But we obviously would be a playoff team right now.
Stank_Nasty Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Not missing the point at all. I just happen to think it is a silly point. They got a 3rd round pick for a QB that wouldn't have made this team much better this year, if better at all, and that the Brown's could not get anything for at this point. Why in the world would you want to keep a QB that you are arguing would only have made this team marginally better, at best? I dont mind the trade we made. but if i'm talking strictly on topic...2 more wins would put them at .500 with a cake schedule going forward and in the hunt. i'm under belief we could still be developing the young qb and chasing the playoffs. cut those 22 to's in half and I can easily see at least 1 more win and 2 can be debated. we both know the old qb wasn't launching up 16 int over 9 freaking games. i'm all on board with the rookie and the future. i'm also of the belief that you don't have to be god awful to be all in on the future. Edited November 16, 2018 by Stank_Nasty
billsfan1959 Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: We would be in the playoffs but for the TT trade. Long term we got the better deal, sure. Its a smart move in that respect. But we obviously would be a playoff team right now. In your opinion. My every objective, measurable standard: IMHO, No.
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, billsfan1959 said: In your opinion. My every objective, measurable standard: IMHO, No. Interceptions. The one that matters in this context. Interceptions. Its the only reasons teams can put up any points on us. Its the one thing TT was as good as it gets at. Not once have you addressed that.
RyanC883 Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 13 hours ago, Another Fan said: No. Maybe 7-8 wins versus 5-6 this year. Don't forget as well Richie Incognito imo played a big part in the O Line success last year exactly. I'd say if we had Wood and Incognito back we may be a playoff team, even with the QB issues because we'd be able to open up the running game. We have so far been a 1 dimensional team with subpar QB play.
Boca BIlls Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 14 hours ago, KzooMike said: We have almost a carbon copy of last years team in an even weaker playoff battle. With Tyrod I think it would have been back to back playoff years. Give him two turnovers in a game and he wins more often than not. No, I don't think he's good. But what he does do is protect the ball, enhance the running game, and to some extent mask poor offensive line play. Whats even more silly about the whole thing is he gets traded to the exact same situation he would have faced here. Perhaps he would have had the same fate in Buffalo he has in Cleveland if he was retained. I know Taylor has been talked to nauseous levels. I just find the thought process on this interesting and I'm curious what others think. Is this a playoff team with Taylor? Not even close with Tuhrod... all he does is give you a middle of the pack draft pick. Did you not remember the playoff game last year?
billsfan1959 Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Interceptions. The one that matters in this context. Interceptions. Its the only reasons teams can put up any points on us. Its the one thing TT was as good as it gets at. Not once have you addressed that. We can agree to disagree. The team got a 3rd round pick for a mediocre, at best, QB, whose entire claim to fame is that he doesn't turn the ball over - rather than he is a good QB. IMO, it was time to move on from him and they did - and maybe approaching, at best, the Mendoza line in wins with him this year wasn't a good enough reason to keep him.
Stank_Nasty Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: We can agree to disagree. The team got a 3rd round pick for a mediocre, at best, QB, whose entire claim to fame is that he doesn't turn the ball over - rather than he is a good QB. IMO, it was time to move on from him and they did - and maybe approaching, at best, the Mendoza line in wins with him this year wasn't a good enough reason to keep him. again you cant separate your thoughts on the move from him and if we would be a better team.... not many people will argue it wasn't the right move. I liked the trade. but if you stick strictly to the topic, yes the team would probably be at the tail end of the hunt with a turnover free qb and this defense with most of the heavy hitters in their schedule gone. try to separate your thoughts on moving on from him and the topic at hand. Edited November 16, 2018 by Stank_Nasty
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: We can agree to disagree. The team got a 3rd round pick for a mediocre, at best, QB, whose entire claim to fame is that he doesn't turn the ball over - rather than he is a good QB. IMO, it was time to move on from him and they did - and maybe approaching, at best, the Mendoza line in wins with him this year wasn't a good enough reason to keep him. I 100% agree with all of this. It was the SMART move. They did, I would do it, and then I would do it again. We still would have made the playoffs with him. We just would have lost in the first round. 1
Stank_Nasty Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: I 100% agree with all of this. It was the SMART move. They did, I would do it, and then I would do it again. We still would have made the playoffs with him. We just would have lost in the first round. some people are having a hard time separating the actual topic here and whether or not they think we should have kept him or not. 2 totally different topics. Edited November 16, 2018 by Stank_Nasty
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 Just now, Stank_Nasty said: some people are having a hard time separating the actual topic here and whether or not they think we should have kept him or not. Nature of the beast.
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