B-Man Posted November 15, 2018 Posted November 15, 2018 'PEAK stupidity' --> You think you've seen it all and then a forest fire truther thread shows up on Twitter
3rdnlng Posted November 15, 2018 Posted November 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, B-Man said: 'PEAK stupidity' --> You think you've seen it all and then a forest fire truther thread shows up on Twitter I wonder if any of those cars had gasoline in their tanks? I heard that gasoline was inflammable.
Kemp Posted November 15, 2018 Posted November 15, 2018 On 11/13/2018 at 7:47 AM, Boyst62 said: Listen butthurt, the problem is as Trump said. Forest mismanagement. in North Carolina there are very strong penalties for not managing your woodland forestry. I don't know what the hell is California's problem is besides overpopulation and too much bureaucracy to protect the snowflake but they need to be doing controlled Burns and prescribed Burns in the overpopulated area. This is 100% California for you they would have saved thousands of lives from being affected and probably hundreds from being taken by controlling population control and density through urban planning in better understanding of nature. You mentioning Trump in this at all just proves you're not logic but in fact stupid Funny how some go straight to the gay stuff. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
3rdnlng Posted November 15, 2018 Posted November 15, 2018 19 minutes ago, Kemp said: Funny how some go straight to the gay stuff. I'm sure it's just a coincidence. Butthurt is gay? Do you see gayness in everything? Stay away from mirrors.
boyst Posted November 15, 2018 Posted November 15, 2018 58 minutes ago, Kemp said: Funny how some go straight to the gay stuff. I'm sure it's just a coincidence. What's wrong with me being a homosexual?
GG Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 On 11/13/2018 at 5:09 AM, BeginnersMind said: The fire discussion was in the “boarder” thread for etymological reasons I did not trace. Trump says the fires are the result of Forest mismanagement. No doubt after hours of long study of the problem. Fires are natural. Clearing deadfall and many other tasks are not and are terrible for the health of forests. And at the edges of community and forest, fires will happen, especially in areas known to have dry spells. There is no way to avoid it and it’s probably the price people have to accept when living there. Just like accepting flooding when living near the ocean or in a flood zone (hi New Orleans). We waste a ton of money trying to terraform for convenience. Some projects may be worth it but some are absurd. Or, maybe not Quote Obscured amid the chaos of California’s latest wildfire outbreak is a striking sign of change that may help curtail future devastating infernos. After decades of butting heads, some environmentalists and logging supporters have largely come to agreement that forests need to be logged to be saved. .... Now, the unlikely coalition is pushing new programs to thin out forests and clear underbrush. In 2017, California joined with the U.S. Forest Service and other groups in creating the Tahoe-Central Sierra Initiative, which aims to thin millions of trees from about 2.4 million acres of forest—believed to be the largest such state-federal project in the country. .... “We need to try new things because what we’ve done in the past hasn’t worked,” said David Edelson, Sierra Nevada project director of the Nature Conservancy, a nonprofit that is part of the new thinning partnership.
BeginnersMind Posted November 16, 2018 Author Posted November 16, 2018 2 hours ago, GG said: Or, maybe not Clearing underbrush is not good for forest health. But it helps prevent fires. None of this has a simple solution or blame to be placed.
3rdnlng Posted November 16, 2018 Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) https://newspunch.com/california-gov-jerry-brown-rejected-wildfire-management-bill/ With climate change, some scientists are saying Southern California is literally burning up, and burning up as maybe a metaphor or a description not just to the fires right here, but what we can expect over the next years and decades,” Brown said, without an ounce of proof. Canadafreepress.com reports: Today, as California burns once again under torrential wildfires, many Californians have been asking why the dramatic increase in wildfires in the last five years… that is everyone except Governor Jerry Brown. Governor Brown claims that year-round, devastating fires are the “new normal” we must accept. Megan Barth and I reported Monday: “Supporting Obama-era regulations have resulted in the new normal: an endless and devastating fire season. Obama-era regulations introduced excessive layers of bureaucracy that blocked proper forest management and increased environmentalist litigation and costs—a result of far too many radical environmentalists, bureaucrats, Leftist politicians and judicial activists who would rather let forests burn, than let anyone thin out overgrown trees or let professional loggers harvest usable timber left from beetle infestation, or collectively cut timber.” Mismanaged, overcrowded forests provide fuel to historic California wildfires, experts say. The 129 million dead trees throughout California’s forests are serving as matchsticks and kindling. Jerry Brown, busy mulling ways to prevent the end of the world, took the Clinton and Obama-era gross regulations a step even further when he vetoed a bipartisan wildfire management bill in 2016. Edited November 16, 2018 by 3rdnlng
DC Tom Posted November 17, 2018 Posted November 17, 2018 My new favorite conspiracy theory: California wildfires are caused by lasers and intended to clear the land for the bullet train.
billsfan89 Posted November 17, 2018 Posted November 17, 2018 (edited) On 11/13/2018 at 7:47 AM, Boyst62 said: Listen butthurt, the problem is as Trump said. Forest mismanagement. in North Carolina there are very strong penalties for not managing your woodland forestry. I don't know what the hell is California's problem is besides overpopulation and too much bureaucracy to protect the snowflake but they need to be doing controlled Burns and prescribed Burns in the overpopulated area. This is 100% California for you they would have saved thousands of lives from being affected and probably hundreds from being taken by controlling population control and density through urban planning in better understanding of nature. You mentioning Trump in this at all just proves you're not logic but in fact stupid Doesn't California have issues with drought that makes the conditions for large fires to happen easier? I think it might not be an apples to apples comparison to North Carolina. Just to be clear I don't know if specific policies have made the conditions worse but it seems like the droughts have made the conditions different from a lot of other states. Edited November 17, 2018 by billsfan89
IDBillzFan Posted November 17, 2018 Posted November 17, 2018 35 minutes ago, DC Tom said: My new favorite conspiracy theory: California wildfires are caused by lasers and intended to clear the land for the bullet train. Here's the sad thing about CA. We both know that theory is ridiculous. There is no question. But if you woke up tomorrow and found out the Supermajority CA Dems were burning down half the state to get their bullet train moving, would anyone be surprised? No. No, they wouldn't.
boyst Posted November 17, 2018 Posted November 17, 2018 33 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Doesn't California have issues with drought that makes the conditions for large fires to happen easier? I think it might not be an apples to apples comparison to North Carolina. Just to be clear I don't know if specific policies have made the conditions worse but it seems like the droughts have made the conditions different from a lot of other states. Mismanagement and over population.
BeginnersMind Posted November 17, 2018 Author Posted November 17, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, billsfan89 said: Doesn't California have issues with drought that makes the conditions for large fires to happen easier? I think it might not be an apples to apples comparison to North Carolina. Just to be clear I don't know if specific policies have made the conditions worse but it seems like the droughts have made the conditions different from a lot of other states. Stop making sense. There are no huge forest fires in the Amazon either and they don’t clear underbrush. This is a lot more complicated than clearing underbrush (as if that’s easy and good for forest health). This fire jumped highways and given the size it encompassed, you couldn’t clear all the underbrush. Lots of moving parts to these fires. There is no simple solution. Not solvable in a tweet. Edited November 17, 2018 by BeginnersMind
Thurmal34 Posted November 17, 2018 Posted November 17, 2018 631 missing so far - but I haven’t checked since beginning of Sabres game so that number could have changed. Either way, nothing political about this except for Dear Leader inciting his minions, right? Dry weather, power lines vulnerable to falling limbs, and high winds. Right?
DC Tom Posted November 17, 2018 Posted November 17, 2018 2 hours ago, billsfan89 said: Doesn't California have issues with drought that makes the conditions for large fires to happen easier? I think it might not be an apples to apples comparison to North Carolina. Just to be clear I don't know if specific policies have made the conditions worse but it seems like the droughts have made the conditions different from a lot of other states. Not exactly. Most of the state has distinct rainy and dry seasons (roughly December to March, and April to November, respectively), and a couple of years ago the rainy season was rather rainier than average. This led to abundant new vegetation growth, that is now providing a good amount of fuel in the current dry season. That's compounded by the Santa Ana winds from the mountains, which enhance the fires and make them fast-moving. The recent drought has something to do with it - it killed a lot of trees, which provides more fuel. But in a lot of the pictures you see, the trees are still standing (e.g. here), although scorched. So it's not the trees that are serving as fuel, so much as the brush that's grown since the rain they had about 20 months ago. It's not coincidental that the worst fire right now (the Camp Fire) is practically on top of Oroville Dam, that had the spillway failure from excessive rain in February 2017.
DC Tom Posted November 17, 2018 Posted November 17, 2018 More than any other fire footage, this shocked me. Imagine the panic that all those medical supplies and equipment being scattered around represents. 1
Azalin Posted November 17, 2018 Posted November 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, DC Tom said: More than any other fire footage, this shocked me. Imagine the panic that all those medical supplies and equipment being scattered around represents. It certainly offers a different perspective of just how terrifying it must be to be in the path of a raging wildfire.
3rdnlng Posted November 17, 2018 Posted November 17, 2018 10 hours ago, DC Tom said: Not exactly. Most of the state has distinct rainy and dry seasons (roughly December to March, and April to November, respectively), and a couple of years ago the rainy season was rather rainier than average. This led to abundant new vegetation growth, that is now providing a good amount of fuel in the current dry season. That's compounded by the Santa Ana winds from the mountains, which enhance the fires and make them fast-moving. The recent drought has something to do with it - it killed a lot of trees, which provides more fuel. But in a lot of the pictures you see, the trees are still standing (e.g. here), although scorched. So it's not the trees that are serving as fuel, so much as the brush that's grown since the rain they had about 20 months ago. It's not coincidental that the worst fire right now (the Camp Fire) is practically on top of Oroville Dam, that had the spillway failure from excessive rain in February 2017. So, you're saying it's really all about the water, eh? Water and water rights have always been an issue in most of the west. We here in the east don't get the wide variations in rainfall that the west does. The west receives not only variations within a year but from year to year, decade to decade. Many areas aren't naturally set up to be habitated. (FU Spellcheck, "habitated" is a word) It's like building a city below sea level in a hurricane zone. California is overpopulated for the rain it gets. Couple that with its politics and love for Delta Smelt and it will always have major problems. Just ask Jake Gittes.
BeginnersMind Posted November 17, 2018 Author Posted November 17, 2018 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: So, you're saying it's really all about the water, eh? Water and water rights have always been an issue in most of the west. We here in the east don't get the wide variations in rainfall that the west does. The west receives not only variations within a year but from year to year, decade to decade. Many areas aren't naturally set up to be habitated. (FU Spellcheck, "habitated" is a word) It's like building a city below sea level in a hurricane zone. California is overpopulated for the rain it gets. Couple that with its politics and love for Delta Smelt and it will always have major problems. Just ask Jake Gittes. Comparing to NO is apt. It's only a matter of time...and the only way to extend the time is spending billions of dollars. Fires in CA are no different.
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