MarkAF43 Posted November 12, 2018 Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: It was a road game against a very good defense, in the division and the guy has only been on the team for 12 days. We scored 41 points and he threw more TDs in 15 completions then we have in the last 3 games I’d hardly call 18th overall in Defense a very good defense. Im not taking anything away from Barkley and his day. I’m saying you don’t abort the plan for a gem from a guy who doesn’t consistently put up gems.
Augie Posted November 12, 2018 Posted November 12, 2018 18 minutes ago, NCDAWG said: Barkley...Let Josh learn. I get that, but you learn by doing.
Warcodered Posted November 12, 2018 Posted November 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, MJS said: Why would you not want to start Barkley until he sucks it up? It will give Allen more time to sit and learn. because it's not the beginning of the season.
MJS Posted November 12, 2018 Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: because it's not the beginning of the season. Why does that matter? Is it now impossible for Allen to learn while sitting?
Warcodered Posted November 12, 2018 Posted November 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, MJS said: Why does that matter? Is it now impossible for Allen to learn while sitting? He's done that the last 4 weeks. At some point a QB has to learn by playing and when he was playing it didn't seem to be completely overwhelming him.
Chicken Boo Posted November 12, 2018 Posted November 12, 2018 Barkley. He's earned it. In a perfect scenario, Allen shouldn't have started a single game this year and let's be real, he hasn't looked anywhere near as good as Barkley did today. 3
PetermansRedemption Posted November 12, 2018 Posted November 12, 2018 The fact that people are seriously discussing benching the guy who just led the Bills to their best offensive output in forever is ludicrous to me. Allen has been far from impressive, it will not hurt him at all to sit and watch (and hopefully learn). If Barkley played like Peterman or Anderson then sure, start Allen. It would be going from the bottom of the barrel to an unknown at that point. Right now, Barkley has had one game as a Bill and thrived. There is absolutely zero reason to start Allen right now. It will not hurt him at all to sit and learn until Barkley falters. In all likelihood, he will sooner rather than later. 1
The Wiz Posted November 12, 2018 Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Augie said: I get that, but you learn by doing. It really depends on the person but I agree. Allen is a learn by doing as opposed to a book smart learner. I write programs and websites and can look at code all day and not know how it works until I actually start typing it myself. Edited November 12, 2018 by The Wiz
CincyBillsFan Posted November 12, 2018 Posted November 12, 2018 Play Allen & sit Barkley. No one is going to believe that Allen, who was almost able to go today is still not recovered enough to go in 2 weeks. My reasons are simple: * The let Allen sit and learn crowd have a good point ONLY if Allen wasn't named the starter in week 2. At that point "sit & learn" went out the window. There are consequences to benching the 7th pick in the draft for getting injured. Allen had the starting job and when he's healthy, which looks to be now, he gets it back. * We know exactly what we have in Barkley. And it's good news - he looks to be a competent back up QB. However to look at him in any other way is to ignore the mans body of work which was accumulated over 6 years in the NFL. * We think we know what we have in Allen, otherwise he's not a high first round draft pick, but we don't know for sure. It's critical that we find out. And when you spend the 7th pick in the draft on a QB you have to give them at least 2 seasons to make the assessment. If Allen doesn't see the field the rest of the year then we're looking at 2020 before we know whether we've got our guy or if it's back square one at QB. There is NO other question facing this franchise more important then this one. * And it's more then just figuring out if Allen is the guy. Even if he is the guy, we still have to develop him and the only way to do that at this point is to give him NFL reps. And to be fair, in the 6 games that Allen started or had significant playing time, he faced teams that are all probably going to the playoffs. In the last 6 games only New England is a likely playoff team. I for one would like to see what Allen & this offense can do playing defenses that aren't in the top 10. * I think Allen has shown that he's pretty tough mentally but everyone has their limits. So let's say that McDermott goes with Barkley and tries to skirt the issue when questioned by the media by claiming that Allen still isn't 100%? What does Allen say when the media asks him? Do we really want Allen claiming he is healthy and dispute his head coach. Am I the only one that can see how this turns into a mess real fast. This isn't fantasy football here, these are human beings with real emotions and how they react to this kind of stuff can be unpredictable. * Oh and for the record if they start Allen he may very well not play as good as Barkley. Starting Allen is something you do for the long-term good of the franchise. But then again if the Bills think Barkley is their best chance to win then maybe they should trade Allen (I'm being facetious here). As an aside folks bring up Mahonnes but KC was a legit playoff contender and Alex Smith was a PROVEN starting NFL QB. The Bills are not playoff contenders and Barkley is not a starting QB.
PetermansRedemption Posted November 12, 2018 Posted November 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, Warcodered said: He's done that the last 4 weeks. At some point a QB has to learn by playing and when he was playing it didn't seem to be completely overwhelming him. ? let’s not pretend Allen was good. He averaged 150 yards per game started and has 2 TDS vs 5 INTS. Even counting his rushing TD’s he has 5 with 5 INTS. I want to see Allen succeed as much as the next guy, but he absolutely doesn’t give the Bills the best chance to win right now and can definitely learn from sitting behind an actual competent QB.
The Wiz Posted November 12, 2018 Posted November 12, 2018 Just now, Bills2ref said: ? let’s not pretend Allen was good. He averaged 150 yards per game started and has 2 TDS vs 5 INTS. Even counting his rushing TD’s he has 5 with 5 INTS. I want to see Allen succeed as much as the next guy, but he absolutely doesn’t give the Bills the best chance to win right now and can definitely learn from sitting behind an actual competent QB. Maybe they dont care if he wins right now but gets the game experience under his belt. Not saying you're wrong, just saying.
PetermansRedemption Posted November 12, 2018 Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Maybe they dont care if he wins right now but gets the game experience under his belt. Not saying you're wrong, just saying. If this will help him come along faster, I will be all for it. I’m just not sure the best way to go right now isn’t letting him sit for a little while. He has not been watching and learning the past 4 weeks, we want him to learn absolutely nothing from Peterman or Anderson. With Barkley we may have an average to slightly below average QB to learn from. Instead of the pure trash that is Peterman or Anderson. Edited November 12, 2018 by Bills2ref
billsfan_34 Posted November 12, 2018 Posted November 12, 2018 Allen all day- he needs the reps for development. Were not going anywhere this year.
PetermansRedemption Posted November 12, 2018 Posted November 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, Warcodered said: He's done that the last 4 weeks. At some point a QB has to learn by playing and when he was playing it didn't seem to be completely overwhelming him. What we want Allen to retain from Peterman or Anderson from the past four weeks is precisely nothing.
The Wiz Posted November 12, 2018 Posted November 12, 2018 Just now, Bills2ref said: If this will help him come along faster, I will be all for it. I’m just not sure the best way to go right now is letting him sit for a little while. He has not been watching and learning the past 4 weeks, we want him to learn absolutely nothing from Peterman or Anderson. With Barkley we may have an average to slightly below average QB to learn from. Instead of the pure trash that is Peterman or Anderson. Well at the very least he has learned what not to do while he has been out. Like I said, it all depends on what the team is trying to do. If they want Allen to get the reps regardless of their record then go for it if he is healthy. If they are looking for wins, I say go with the hot hand. Either way, I'll be happy to see either of them on the field in 2 weeks.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 12, 2018 Posted November 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: ? let’s not pretend Allen was good. He averaged 150 yards per game started and has 2 TDS vs 5 INTS. Even counting his rushing TD’s he has 5 with 5 INTS. I want to see Allen succeed as much as the next guy, but he absolutely doesn’t give the Bills the best chance to win right now and can definitely learn from sitting behind an actual competent QB. They are 3-7, so who cares?
Adam727 Posted November 12, 2018 Posted November 12, 2018 Start Allen. But, I would like to see Barkley get one more game at some point this year to see if today was a fluke. I think I'd like to see the Bills try to bring Barkley back next year on a reasonable 1 year deal.
Peace Frog Posted November 12, 2018 Posted November 12, 2018 No matter what, Peterman should be gone tomorrow morning. Trade him for a bag of ice or something of equal value. 1
CincyBillsFan Posted November 12, 2018 Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: ? let’s not pretend Allen was good. He averaged 150 yards per game started and has 2 TDS vs 5 INTS. Even counting his rushing TD’s he has 5 with 5 INTS. I want to see Allen succeed as much as the next guy, but he absolutely doesn’t give the Bills the best chance to win right now and can definitely learn from sitting behind an actual competent QB. I agree that overall Allen didn't play well but he had a gem of a game against Minnesota and led a 4th quarter rally against Tennessee - both teams which are likely to be in the playoffs. In fact Allen faced by far the toughest competition of the Bills QB's this season. I believe every defense he faced is in the top half of the leagues rankings. He started or had significant playing time against a 6 game gauntlet of likely playoff teams. And now I'm deeply curious as to how Allen would do against the next 6 teams of which only 1 is a likely playoff team. IMO the Bills organization should be even more curious then me about this. What it comes down to between the "start Allen" & "start Barkley" folks is what is more important - possibly winning a couple of more games this season or getting a quality read on your top 10 draft pick QB. I get the desire to win games and watch an offense that looks competent. But isn't that what we've been looking at for the last 19 years with ONE playoff appearance to show for it? To me it's an obvious choice - you go all in with Allen until he proves he's either a bust or your franchise QB. Edited November 12, 2018 by CincyBillsFan
Chicken Boo Posted November 12, 2018 Posted November 12, 2018 Put me on record stating that starting Allen next week is a colossal mistake. Especially if he stinks it up. Trial by fire isn't the best thing for such a raw talent like Allen, IMO. He has a lot to work on and now has 2 vet QBs to guide him. What's the rush? 1
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