The Nonsense about Camp & Preseason

[Tenhigh]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

It's what happens when the HC's anachronistic philosophy meets the GM's incompetence meets owner's "profit trumps winning" mantra to form a melange a trois made in hell for fans. 

Lol, you shaming your fellow Jamestownians with this witty retort.

Edited November 11, 2018 by Tenhigh

[Fadingpain]

10 hours ago, PUNT750 said:

All we hear from July to September is about  QB reps.  Who looks good and who doesn't. Who runs the plays well and knows the offensive system. Preseason is about not getting players hurt and honestly proves nothing for QB's.

 

It is all so insanely crazy that now we are starting scrap heap QB's (Barkley & Anderson) who weren't in camp, didn't play in preseason and obviously don't know the nuances of our offense.

 

Is all the coach speak about having an offensive system a smoke screen?  Is it all FAKE NEWS from the media that makes millions on the NFL?

If you were under the assumption that pre-season football can be used to evaluate players, now you know it can't.

 

You're late to that party, my friend, but better late than never.

 

Pre-season football games are a huge waste of time.

[Cripple Creek]

10 hours ago, PUNT750 said:

All we hear from July to September is about  QB reps.  Who looks good and who doesn't. Who runs the plays well and knows the offensive system. Preseason is about not getting players hurt and honestly proves nothing for QB's.

 

It is all so insanely crazy that now we are starting scrap heap QB's (Barkley & Anderson) who weren't in camp, didn't play in preseason and obviously don't know the nuances of our offense.

 

Is all the coach speak about having an offensive system a smoke screen?  Is it all FAKE NEWS from the media that makes millions on the NFL?

I’m undecided.

[Jerome007]

Training together and preseason help build chemistry between players (like QBs and receivers), learn some nuances of the playbooks, etc. To say it means nothing is ridiculous. But 80% of the plays and timing and skills are there already if you're a NFL level player! But a good 10-15% of the remaining 20% is earned through training and playing together, video sessions, meetings, etc. The final edge is earned through focused playing and added work. So while I do think 80% is the same so players could move from team to team easily without too much obvious adjustments needed, that extra 20% matters a lot, especially for QBs, and makes those small differences in games between winning and losing. We all hate the Cheatriots but it's those small differences (and suspect favorable ref calls and spying) that affect a few plays here and there that have made them so consistent throughout the years.

 

 

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

And here we go with the nonsensical profit trumps winning crap.  

 

They drafted their heir young QB to be their future.  He got hurt.  Facts vs.  your crap.

 

The truth obviously hurts, but keep on spreading the manure about how much McDermott and Beane want to build a passing offense.

• Why isn't there a single starting caliber WR on the Bills roster -- and hasn't been since they traded Sammy Watkins in July, 2017?
• Why did they wait a month to bring in a veteran QB who was at least competent after they traded McCarron and Peterman crapped the bed in the opener???  
• Why did they wait until the very end of the fifth round (pick 29 IIRC) to bother to another offensive player after Allen in the 2018 draft?

If they "drafted their heir young QB to be their future" why the hell didn't they even bother to get him a real QB coach when it was repeatedly noted by every scout/evaluator etc who watched Allen that he needed significant work on his fundamentals to even have a chance to be a moderately successful NFL QB?   The answer is that theyy drafted Allen for the same reason that Donahoe drafted Losman in 2004 and Whaley drafted Manuel in 2013: to put butts in the seats.   They have no more commitment to having a passing game than Mercedes Benz has to making economy cars.  If Allen somehow develops into a decent NFL QB it will be despite McDermott, Beane, and Pegula.

Edited November 11, 2018 by SoTier

[Shaw66]

11 hours ago, PUNT750 said:

All we hear from July to September is about  QB reps.  Who looks good and who doesn't. Who runs the plays well and knows the offensive system. Preseason is about not getting players hurt and honestly proves nothing for QB's.

 

It is all so insanely crazy that now we are starting scrap heap QB's (Barkley & Anderson) who weren't in camp, didn't play in preseason and obviously don't know the nuances of our offense.

 

Is all the coach speak about having an offensive system a smoke screen?  Is it all FAKE NEWS from the media that makes millions on the NFL?

There's a bit of truth in what you say, if your qb is in his 19th year starting in your system, like Brady and Rodgers and Brees and Ryan. Those guys don't need the reps.  Young guys and guys new to the systemost need the reps. 

 

Nothing you can do about injuries. 

Edited November 11, 2018 by Shaw66

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

4 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Well, that all depends upon which NFL team you're talking about.  Generally, successful teams with lots of established veterans on their rosters don't play their starters much.  They play lots of 2nd and 3rd stringers and Day Three/UDFA rookies looking to make the roster.  Even when first teamers are playing, they don't tend to go all out the way they would in games that count.  This tends to make less talented teams look better in preseason than they really are. 

 

The Bills played better in pre-season than they've played in the regular season because now they're going up against teams that are not only more talented but are also willing to go all out to win.   They're also going against offensive coaching staffs that are not only light-years better at their jobs than anybody the Bills have on the sidelines but have offensive talent that is light-years better than almost anybody the Bills put on the field, too.

 

The Bills have an offensive system; that's not a smoke screen.  The problem is that it's an offensive system that might have worked thirty or forty years ago but is a joke in 2018.

 

 

To your point, I recall a number of season between 1990 and maybe around 1998, the Bills going 0-5 in pre-season. (and yes they were still playing 5 pre-season games back then, at least back in the beginning of those years). 

 

Actually I remember even playing six pre-season games.  What does that prove, that I'm old!

[Bing Bong]

12 hours ago, jr1 said:

Nate is Sean's son

Yes! My prime theory!