BeginnersMind Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, GG said: Would that include you walking back your Trump Russia thesis? I don't recall a single "Oops, my bad" post from you since you started that thread. ? I didn’t take a hard stand on Trump and Russia. I wanted more info when the story broke. I’ve said many times in the last year that I don’t believe there was collusion between Trump and Russia, and the entire thing became a divisive waste of time (and still is). Edited July 20, 2019 by BeginnersMind
Buffalo_Gal Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: You’re both wrong. He said they were from catastrophic, corrupt countries. Then he told them to go back to those countries. If if you want to defend what he said as having no racist undertones, it’s a stretch, but at least stick to that. But if you do, you can’t redeem him by defending his statement as accurate because it’s not. Ivanka and Melania got to him and we got the softest backpeddle. That’s about all we will see.
Chef Jim Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: You’re both wrong. He said they were from catastrophic, corrupt countries. Then he told them to go back to those countries. If if you want to defend what he said as having no racist undertones, it’s a stretch, but at least stick to that. But if you do, you can’t redeem him by defending his statement as accurate because it’s not. Ivanka and Melania got to him and we got the softest backpeddle. That’s about all we will see. You bring up a good example. If I told Melania to go back to where she came from does that make me racist? Again you idiots are confusing nationalities and ideologies with color. It's all about color for the lift isn't.
plenzmd1 Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 26 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: First off I addressed the “I think” by referring to how to feel. Second. How is he framing the discussion regarding blacks? And here’s the real interesting part. You think he is doing the whole border thing because of “brown people” whereas I think he’s doing it because they are ILLEGAL and there are bad people coming in. Again people on the left (and I think you’re more left of center) see color. We on the right, for the most part, see ideologies and situations. And finally. Let me ask you Paul, do you think there are bad people coming across our southern border? That part about going back to where they came from? He’s an idiot for saying that. But what part of “where they came from” racist? I am not quite sure where you are pulling this statement” you believe he is doing the whole border thing cause of brown people”. I think you be hard pressed to find any of my statements on here that say we don not have a massive issue with illegal immigration. Having said that, I think , he thinks, he gains political capital by framing things as us vs them. And i I am trying to do this while at the OTB, so cut me some slack!
Chef Jim Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: I am not quite sure where you are pulling this statement” you believe he is doing the whole border thing cause of brown people”. I think you be hard pressed to find any of my statements on here that say we don not have a massive issue with illegal immigration. Having said that, I think , he thinks, he gains political capital by framing things as us vs them. And i I am trying to do this while at the OTB, so cut me some slack! Then what are you talking about white vs brown? And again he's pitting America vs non-Americans. That is the us vs them. Color's go nuthin' to do with it. Oh and........... https://www.verywellmind.com/usa-local-problem-gambling-hotlines-22031 1 1
plenzmd1 Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 23 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: You bring up a good example. If I told Melania to go back to where she came from does that make me racist? Again you idiots are confusing nationalities and ideologies with color. It's all about color for the lift isn't. Show me one example of that,, of trump telling any of his white opposition to come back to where they came from. Just 1. 4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Then what are you talking about white vs brown? And again he's pitting America vs non-Americans. That is the us vs them. Color's go nuthin' to do with it. Oh and........... https://www.verywellmind.com/usa-local-problem-gambling-hotlines-22031 We will disagree on he is only pitting nationalities , he is putting nationalities and color. He killing Bernie or Gillebrand on this stuff? Hell no, they whiter than Casper. He hitting people of color, think that is pretty obvious. And i aint got a gambling problem, I got a winning problem!
Golden Goat Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Whatnot78 said: Finish what he said in the tweet. He says then come back and tell us how to fix the issues. Everyone seems to ignore that part Same as they ignore him being against ILLEGAL immigration.
Whatnot78 Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 Just now, Golden Goat said: Same as they ignore him being against ILLEGAL immigration. Be careful...that’s a bad word now...for breaking laws CREATED BY CONGRESS.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: ? I didn’t take a hard stand on Trump and Russia. I wanted more info when the story broke. I’ve said many times in the last year that I don’t believe there was collusion between Trump and Russia, and the entire thing became a divisive waste of time (and still is). Hmm. "Divisive waste of time"? Interesting choice of words. You "think" Trump did not collude with Russia--would you go so far as to say you "know" he didn't collude (given 3 yrs, 30m Muller Muller Muller) with Russia? Let's agree that this is not "swear on pain of death know", just "based on the information readily available after Muller tore #@$% up asked. "Divisive" on the part of whom? Trump has been crystal clear since day 1. There has been no wavering, no cracks in the foundation of defense, no negotiation to make it all go away. I don't think you can consider a guy accused of treason to be divisive when he's defending himself against false charges as being divisive? So...divisive on the part of the dems/libs/media? If so, was it intentional on the part of the dems? Divide a nation by attacking the integrity of our elections? Divisive to impact the agenda of the duly elected president? To harm him, politically and perhaps...personally? It's hard to imagine calling someone out as essential a traitor might not have some fallout. What about the potential nullification of my vote, when he's hampered by this massive inquiry? "Waste of time"? I'd argue the dems/enemies of the people would not consider it a waste of time at all to wage a divisive psychological war against a stirring president. Certainly it would impact the admin and likely did the midterms. And I could be reading too much into what you're saying, but "waste of time" on this level implies to me incompetence by the DOJ and Obama admin on an epic scale, or something much more nefarious? How on earth could the intelligence community so misread the tea leaves that were so obvious they felt they had to detonate a bunker buster under the new admin---knowing the polarizing and paralyzing effect it would have---and be so wrong about it? How do you see it? 1
Chef Jim Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: Show me one example of that,, of trump telling any of his white opposition to come back to where they came from. Just 1. We will disagree on he is only pitting nationalities , he is putting nationalities and color. He killing Bernie or Gillebrand on this stuff? Hell no, they whiter than Casper. He hitting people of color, think that is pretty obvious. And i aint got a gambling problem, I got a winning problem! Where are you pulling the race card from? Because I'm pretty sure all you got is the "I think". Which is ok but a hell of an accusation don't you think? Oh and.............. https://www.aa.org/ 1
BeginnersMind Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 16 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Then what are you talking about white vs brown? And again he's pitting America vs non-Americans. That is the us vs them. Color's go nuthin' to do with it. Oh and........... https://www.verywellmind.com/usa-local-problem-gambling-hotlines-22031 He said Americans weren’t from America but some other country. You should try out your go back to your country line in a workplace to a black coworker, or just the next black person who messes up your latte order. Should be well received. 2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Hmm. "Divisive waste of time"? Interesting choice of words. You "think" Trump did not collude with Russia--would you go so far as to say you "know" he didn't collude (given 3 yrs, 30m Muller Muller Muller) with Russia? Let's agree that this is not "swear on pain of death know", just "based on the information readily available after Muller tore #@$% up asked. "Divisive" on the part of whom? Trump has been crystal clear since day 1. There has been no wavering, no cracks in the foundation of defense, no negotiation to make it all go away. I don't think you can consider a guy accused of treason to be divisive when he's defending himself against false charges as being divisive? So...divisive on the part of the dems/libs/media? If so, was it intentional on the part of the dems? Divide a nation by attacking the integrity of our elections? Divisive to impact the agenda of the duly elected president? To harm him, politically and perhaps...personally? It's hard to imagine calling someone out as essential a traitor might not have some fallout. What about the potential nullification of my vote, when he's hampered by this massive inquiry? "Waste of time"? I'd argue the dems/enemies of the people would not consider it a waste of time at all to wage a divisive psychological war against a stirring president. Certainly it would impact the admin and likely did the midterms. And I could be reading too much into what you're saying, but "waste of time" on this level implies to me incompetence by the DOJ and Obama admin on an epic scale, or something much more nefarious? How on earth could the intelligence community so misread the tea leaves that were so obvious they felt they had to detonate a bunker buster under the new admin---knowing the polarizing and paralyzing effect it would have---and be so wrong about it? How do you see it? Agree with much of this, if it makes you feel better. Russians interfered in our election. I’m glad we investigated. Dems got way out over their skis on wishful thinking Trump colluded. He didn’t. Intel agencies are filled with humans. Some don’t like Trump. And Obama was a terrible President. Only slightly less divisive than Trump.
Chef Jim Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: He said Americans weren’t from America but some other country. You should try out your go back to your country line in a workplace to a black coworker, or just the next black person who messes up your latte order. Should be well received. I don't give a crap how the black East Ender receives it I tell him to go back to his country of origin for ***** up my latte. Again what's his color have to do with it???
plenzmd1 Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Where are you pulling the race card from? Because I'm pretty sure all you got is the "I think". Which is ok but a hell of an accusation don't you think? Oh and.............. https://www.aa.org/ Has he told any of the white “ socialists” to go back where they came from? Name me one. And i I ain’t got a drinking problem, just can’t hit my mouth all time with glass
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: He said Americans weren’t from America but some other country. You should try out your go back to your country line in a workplace to a black coworker, or just the next black person who messes up your latte order. Should be well received. Agree with much of this, if it makes you feel better. Russians interfered in our election. I’m glad we investigated. Dems got way out over their skis on wishful thinking Trump colluded. He didn’t. Intel agencies are filled with humans. Some don’t like Trump. And Obama was a terrible President. Only slightly less divisive than Trump. I don't necessarily feel better or worse, I already know how I feel. What I don't understand is how you can write off a massive plot to unseat a president, using intelligence as a weapon, using the resources of federal and state government to overthrow the president as something as benign as some folks are just "human". At least, I can't reconcile you writing all that sh8t off just as people being people and then get all uppity about another human just doing human things like tweeting. Come to think of it, why do we prosecute spies? Robert Hanseen, for example. I'll run the checklist: A. American; B. Human; C. Didn't like something; D. Definitely less divisive than Trump and Obama. What was the fuss?
Chef Jim Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Has he told any of the white “ socialists” to go back where they came from? Name me one. And i I ain’t got a drinking problem, just can’t hit my mouth all time with glass Dude seriously?? Those four have been in our faces for how long now. What he was really saying (I think LOL) is "your ideologies the ***** out of here!!" Not your brown/black asses!! Oh and........ https://www.amazon.com/slp/best-sippy-cups/zqat9rkd5z8o9t9
plenzmd1 Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Dude seriously?? Those four have been in our faces for how long now. What he was really saying (I think LOL) is "your ideologies the ***** out of here!!" Not your brown/black asses!! Oh and........ https://www.amazon.com/slp/best-sippy-cups/zqat9rkd5z8o9t9 Ya know, if he said your ideologies suck and you all freaking dumb as stumps,,, all good. But, he brought race into by saying “ go back to where you came from” Edited July 20, 2019 by plenzmd1
BeginnersMind Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 6 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: Ya know, if he said your ideologies suck and you all freaking dumb as stumps,,, all good. But, he brought race into by saying “ go back to where you came from” And that they came from shithole countries more or less. Of course he wouldn’t say it to Bernie or a white person. And of course anyone would be fired for saying this to an American black coworker in a workplace. Good luck getting movement from him. 7 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I don't necessarily feel better or worse, I already know how I feel. What I don't understand is how you can write off a massive plot to unseat a president, using intelligence as a weapon, using the resources of federal and state government to overthrow the president as something as benign as some folks are just "human". I don’t see it as an organized nefarious plot. 7 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: At least, I can't reconcile you writing all that sh8t off just as people being people and then get all uppity about another human just doing human things like tweeting. The tweeting human is our president not Jon from Nevada. Prosecute the law breakers. 1
KRC Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 11 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: You may want to be careful. You posted a tweet without commentary. Not to put words in your mouth, but something along the lines of "Hey, dumbasses. Since you continue to be intellectually dishonest with the conversation, why are you purposely not addressing the entire statement in your racists rants?" You can put it in your own words. ?
3rdnlng Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 53 minutes ago, KRC said: You may want to be careful. You posted a tweet without commentary. Not to put words in your mouth, but something along the lines of "Hey, dumbasses. Since you continue to be intellectually dishonest with the conversation, why are you purposely not addressing the entire statement in your racists rants?" You can put it in your own words. ? In some people's minds Trump's statement has morphed into "go back to your own country" when that clearly was not what he said. It's purely TDS. 1
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