Tiberius Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Might want to wait on that victory lap -- considering he partied with Bin Talal quite a bit. Then I promise ill never vote for Obama again! Lol!!
SoCal Deek Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: When you are running against a guy who hung out with child sex traffickers, it really won't matter I don't recall this being an issue with Hillary and Harvey Weinstien...or Anthony Wiener...or.... 1
Tiberius Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 Just now, SoCal Deek said: I don't recall this being an issue with Hillary and Harvey Weinstien...or Anthony Wiener...or.... Trump is like all them, too. Trump, Hillary, Jeff E, all the same! Heck, Hillary even murdered people! All unfit for office!
jrober38 Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: The wall is being built. And Trump's policy has always been about stopping trafficking across the southern border first and foremost. That's what makes the protests against his policies so asinine. Especially the protests against child separation... Remember, 1/3rd of every kid brought over the border with a sponsor was found to be with strangers. Coyotes and smugglers. 1/3. Now, of course, for those two thirds of people who were separated from their kids (for breaking the law) it's horrible. No one wants to see that. But the alternative, the one being pushed by the left and protesters (unknowingly for most) is to say "***** it" to that 1/3rd of kids being trafficked. That's tens of thousands of kids a month. Hundreds of thousands of kids per year. Being allowed to be trafficked into unspeakable horrors... That's BIG MONEY. And that's truly what the left is trying to protect with their protests. But you can't argue facts when one side has been screaming "HE'S A NAZI!" since day one. (which was the point of that rhetoric) I won't argue against any of this, but what's the solution? He's proposed zero immigration reform policy, which means the kids will continue coming, they'll remain in cages, and 2/3 will keep getting separated from their parents. Trump can talk tough, but it will be policy that helps solve the matter and he doesn't have any idea or plan on how to fix things because the vast majority of these people arrive at legal ports of entry and overstay their visas.
SoCal Deek Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 Just now, Tiberius said: Trump is like all them, too. Trump, Hillary, Jeff E, all the same! Heck, Hillary even murdered people! All unfit for office! But Saint Obama, the chain smoking drug user...now he was clearly fit for office. Give it a rest man.
BeginnersMind Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I disagree. Not to say the democrats are not doing everything they can to paint President Trump as being icky, but when people are employed and can pay their bills, most people don't care if the President is brash and loud as long as he can deliver a good economy. Mostly true. I’d vote for Trump over half the Dem field including several of the current front runners. I’d vote 3rd party instead of either person for some Dem candidates (Maybe Biden in this group), and vote D for maybe just a few who have little chance (the moderates who barely register). 1
jrober38 Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: That's a hot take and if it turns out you are correct, I'll be the first to put my hand out and say "Geesh, didn't see that coming.". Thereafter, I have to support a bogus investigation into your candidate crossing the Peace Bridge and not declaring 3 bags of fruit at Customs and applaud while your candidate is mired in bullshyt all while screaming "IF SHE'S INNOCENT SHE SHOULD BE HAPPY TO BE INVESTIGATED BY THE FBI/CIA AND NSA!". The fact is no policy details are released or batted about on the debate stage, ever. Let me be clear....O...O...Obama was very polished at delivering nothing, W not so much, and Trump obviously repeating the same thing 4 times in exactly the same thing. He's great, lots of people say it, they say that he's great. On the other hand, as of right now, and it can change--Trump can speak on his accomplishments that include the economy, consumer confidence, employment numbers for Americans across the board, tax cuts, repatriation of $$$ and investment by companies like Apple due to changes in tax code, the strengthening of the SC and federal court system, his attempts to return some semblance of control to the Southern Border with a do-nothing Dem house, his experience with NATO, and at the same time, point to the dems pattern of dirty tricks: The Russia hoax/debacle coup attempt. He will hammer this hard, often and rightly so. He will point to the many tentacles from Obama on down that trafficked in illegal surveillance, unmasking and weaponization of our once trusted intelligence/law enforcement agencies and the need to continue to clean out that part of the swamp. It will get ugly, and up until now it's been a picnic. Kavanaugh visciously attacked simply because he's a conservative white male, makes you wonder when they are coming for you next. All their hands are dirty there, none more so than Harris. The desperation of the homeless in places like California, the high tax rate doing nothing to cure it, all brought to you by the elitist dem platform before it's even gone full batshit crazy socialist. When all is said and done, he has plenty to talk about, you just might not be willing to listen. In fact, he has a slate of positive and uplifting data to speak on, juxtaposed to the dem message despair, anger and divisiveness that ONLY a 70% tax rate and health care for those here in violation of our laws paid for by the heartland can solve. That's not your IRA, someone else deserves that. I agree. He has tons to talk about, but he has never been able to stay on message. For 3 plus years now, Trump gets off on firing up his base, and to do that and have crowds cheering for him at his rallies, he's forced to talk to them about immigration because that's the red meat his base eats up. If Trump could stay on message, and just talk about the things you just listed, his approval rating would be considerably higher. But he can't, and he never will, because that's not who he is and it's not why he got elected in the first place.
njbuff Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: But Saint Obama, the chain smoking drug user...now he was clearly fit for office. Give it a rest man. He's was the worst President this country has ever seen by a country mile.
Chef Jim Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 1 minute ago, BeginnersMind said: Mostly true. I’d vote for Trump over half the Dem field including several of the current front runners. I’d vote 3rd party instead of either person for some Dem candidates (Maybe Biden in this group), and vote D for maybe just a few who have little chance (the moderates who barely register). Hey just checking back. I may have missed your response. You can agree that telling someone to go back to their country of origin has nothing to do with race right?
Golden Goat Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, Tiberius said: But he never attended parties with sex traffickers! What does any of this have to do with Bill Clinton? 1
whatdrought Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 On 4/28/2016 at 7:09 PM, Tiberius said: Better question is, how much is Hillary going to win by? She is obviously the only decent person in the race. Real leaders know how to control themselves. Hillary!! 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Trump is like all them, too. Trump, Hillary, Jeff E, all the same! Heck, Hillary even murdered people! All unfit for office! Breaking News: Tiberius is still a ######. I didn't even have to work hard to find this. 1 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: But he never attended parties with sex traffickers! Obama, still the best recent president we have had. So much so, his chosen, can-t-miss-heiress-apparentess is resting comfortably after a coughing fit, with her legs up in Chappaqua, and the voters sent his nemesis to the White House to place his legacy achievements in the dumpster. He trashed 45 (then, of course, known only as the guy BO said would never be president), but when you send boatloads of cash to your buddies who blow up people, you lose some credibility.
SoCal Deek Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 Just now, njbuff said: He's was the worst President this country has ever seen by a country mile. I'm not saying he was or wasn't but the current President doesn't smoke, drink or curse...and he is doing a thankless job for zero salary. But apparently 'tweeting' has become a worse offense. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I won't argue against any of this, but what's the solution? He's proposed zero immigration reform policy, which means the kids will continue coming, they'll remain in cages, and 2/3 will keep getting separated from their parents. Trump can talk tough, but it will be policy that helps solve the matter and he doesn't have any idea or plan on how to fix things because the vast majority of these people arrive at legal ports of entry and overstay their visas. The solution is multi-faceted: 1) Stop incentivizing illegal crossings, which is what the entire left's rhetoric is built on at the moment. 2) Change the law to say children won't be separated from those adults who can prove their relationship (either DNA or documentation). 3) Fund the wall (which isn't a full wall, but strategic sections need to be built to fight trafficking and funnel bad actors to better covered areas). The vast majority do not cross at ports of entries, that's erroneous (I know, I've been to the border several times to see first hand). No one wants to prevent legal asylum from being declared, no one wants to stop immigration. But what's happening now is by design. Design by politicians (on both sides of the aisle) who have proffited for years from the smuggling and trafficking networks on the southern border. That's why no one has tried to fix it -- they don't want to fix it. It's too much money for them to have that motivation. Which is why we should be paying attention to who exactly is protesting family separation and incentivizing illegal crossing. They are making themselves VERY easy to identify these days. Then dig into their finances and I bet you'll find PRI money. (and ahead of time, for the good conversation today jrober ) 4 1
BeginnersMind Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Hey just checking back. I may have missed your response. You can agree that telling someone to go back to their country of origin has nothing to do with race right? Trump said their countries were corrupt, inept, catastrophes and in doing so, he was referring to America. And when he told them to "go back" there, he was telling them to go back to America. And though this language has a long history of association with race, in Trump's case, he was telling them to go back to their "country of origin," in this case, America. QEDumb. Not a strong position kemosabe. Edited July 17, 2019 by BeginnersMind
RochesterRob Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 32 minutes ago, jrober38 said: He doesn't do that though. He can't help himself from talking about immigration which excites his base but gets him no where with independents. When Trump is off script at rallies or in future debates, he always goes for the red meat. He's never been able to stay on message without a teleprompter. Don't be surprised if Trump changes tactics. Even the town know-it-all knows when it is time for a change. Trump had no track record in politics when he ran in 2016 but now he does.
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 Now calling people communists, even actual communists, is racist. 2 3
whatdrought Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Now calling people communists, even actual communists, is racist. 1
BeginnersMind Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Now calling people communists, even actual communists, is racist. She and the squad are on Trump's payroll. They are doing more for his reelection than anyone. 3 2
Chef Jim Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: Trump said their countries were corrupt, inept, catastrophes and in doing so, he was referring to America. And when he told them to "go back" there, he was telling them to go back to America. And though this language has a long history of association with race, in Trump's case, he was telling them to go back to America. QEDumb. Not a strong position kemosabe. So you got nothing linking what he said to racism. Thought so. Carry on. 1
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