RochesterRob Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: I think it's way too early to say it's a sure thing, although I agree that all the Democrat Candidates are extremely weak. Most of the leading Dems are ahead of Trump in National Polls and his approval rating hasn't been able to stay above 42% nationally, while his disapproval rating has been over 50% for the last two years. You'll tell me the polls were wrong two years ago, and I guess they were. However Hillary did win the popular vote by 3,000,000 votes, which suggests the polls were actually right, they just couldn't account for the Electoral College and how it actually selects a President. Nancy Pelosi is the de facto head of the Democrat Party right now, and she's nowhere near as far left as "The Squad". She knows that they cannot defeat Trump with those type of policies, and that they will lose considerable trust by trying to impeach him. There's a reason she and people like AOC are feuding. Pelosi is very smart. She's a career politician who knows exactly what they need to do to beat him next year. They'll nominate someone left of centre who will run on raising taxes on the rich, and improving Obama Care, and it'll be interesting to see how it plays out. My guess is it will be an incredibly close election, with the Dems winning the popular vote again, but possibly losing the Electoral College by a small margin (they'll flip a couple swing states like Pennsylvania or Michigan where candidates like Biden and Bernie are currently 10 pts ahead of Trump). Hillary winning the popular vote by 3M is looking more dubious by the day as we are finding there are examples with registration issues to put it politely. 1.6M more voters than there are persons legally eligible to vote in LA county in California? Probably could find 3M dubious voter registrations nation wide easily and I'll concede that the Dems are not the only ones. However, the largest issues are in Democratic strongholds. 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Sure. But as Rhino said, Trumps approval rating has been stuck at about 42% for two years now. We're talking about hundreds of polls, calling different people and the favourable vs unfavourable ratings have more or less remained constant for two full years. They can't all be wrong. Of course they can all be and that includes ones that support Republican talking points. Poll taking abuse was already talked about over 35 years ago including the statistics course that I took while in college. Unfortunately, just about everybody with an agenda will fudge data. Be your own person and don't let polls be your compass as to buying a can of peas, a SUV, or voting for POTUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) All of the major democrat candidates have gone on record as being for open borders, reparations consideration, Medicare for all (except Biden calls it something different) and the Green New Deal. These are not real policies because it can't be shown how they can be implemented without basically bankrupting the country. I don't see a candidate on the Left capable of beating Trump. Take a mini poll here at PPP and ask how many people who did not vote for Trump in 2016 will do so in 2020. Edited July 17, 2019 by 3rdnlng 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) The projecting by the left (commies) has reached new levels. They have nothing positive to say, so they just claim the right is what they are actually doing. ( example- Antifa) Edited July 17, 2019 by Wacka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 27 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I think the Dem candidates match up much better against Trump than they do against each other. The question becomes how much damage will they inflict upon each other to win the nomination? One on one, if any of the front runners can get up on a stage, and spar with Trump about policy, and "look Presidential" they've got a great shot. 2016 was hilarious in the sense that Hilary had no policies. She was a historically bad candidate with major baggage, and no policies. She tried to ride into office just because she was a woman, and the majority of independent voters couldn't stomach her and her past. Trump got by yielding a couple buzz words that fired up his base ("Build the wall", "Lock her up", etc) and the base ate it up. This time will be different. Whichever Democrat emerges from the pile will have real policies that will have got them to the top of the pile because they're popular policies among Democrats. This time, unless he figures out how to control the narrative, Trump is going to have to talk about detailed policy on the debate stage, which I don't think is his strength at all. The Dem candidates match up against Trump better than they do against each other? Not seeing it and I am not saying Trump is a better explainer/debater. All Trump has to do is point to the economy which for most has allowed them to benefit by the stock market or career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 46 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: The other issue is lack of landlines, and that people lie to pollsters. ESPECIALLY when they're called "racist" (and worse) every day on CNN and MSNBC because of the candidate they support. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 22 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: The Dem candidates match up against Trump better than they do against each other? Not seeing it and I am not saying Trump is a better explainer/debater. All Trump has to do is point to the economy which for most has allowed them to benefit by the stock market or career. He doesn't do that though. He can't help himself from talking about immigration which excites his base but gets him no where with independents. When Trump is off script at rallies or in future debates, he always goes for the red meat. He's never been able to stay on message without a teleprompter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: He doesn't do that though. He can't help himself from talking about immigration which excites his base but gets him no where with independents. When Trump is off script at rallies or in future debates, he always goes for the red meat. He's never been able to stay on message without a teleprompter. Independents are more against illegal immigration than they're for it. Every poll bears that out -- and I bet it's even higher than the poll numbers due to the fact that people are tired of being called racist for thinking immigrants should enter the country legally. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: He's never been able to stay on message without a teleprompter. In fairness, Obama was not able to speak without a teleprompter. He was a bumbling, stuttering mess. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Independents are more against illegal immigration than they're for it. Every poll bears that out -- and I bet it's even higher than the poll numbers due to the fact that people are tired of being called racist for thinking immigrants should enter the country legally. Sure, but Trump has no immigration plan. Neither side does. Trump gets his supporters fired up with buzz words, but there's never been any substance. The wall never materialized, Mexico never paid for anything, and he's never proposed meaningful immigration reform policy that has any hope of passing into legislation. Trump had two fulls years to tackle immigration, and he accomplished practically nothing on that front. Edited July 17, 2019 by jrober38 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 The DNC 2020 Campaign Message in one Salon headline. Congratulations. You nutbags are tee'ing up 2020 on a platter. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 minute ago, IDBillzFan said: The DNC 2020 Campaign Message in one Salon headline. Congratulations. You nutbags are tee'ing up 2020 on a platter. Salon is just one news outlet, so as usual you have no clue. Did you see Trump partying with the child sex trafficker?? Did you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Apparently Racist is the 2020 version of Deplorable! The Left is hoping that their latest prejudice will stick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: In fairness, Obama was not able to speak without a teleprompter. He was a bumbling, stuttering mess. But he never attended parties with sex traffickers! Obama, still the best recent president we have had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: Sure, but Trump has no immigration plan. Neither side does. Trump gets his supporters fired up with buzz words, but there's never been any substance. The wall never materialized, and he's never proposed meaningful immigration policy that has any hope of passing into legislation. The wall is being built. And Trump's policy has always been about stopping trafficking across the southern border first and foremost. That's what makes the protests against his policies so asinine. Especially the protests against child separation... Remember, 1/3rd of every kid brought over the border with a sponsor was found to be with strangers. Coyotes and smugglers. 1/3. Now, of course, for those two thirds of people who were separated from their kids (for breaking the law) it's horrible. No one wants to see that. But the alternative, the one being pushed by the left and protesters (unknowingly for most) is to say "***** it" to that 1/3rd of kids being trafficked. That's tens of thousands of kids a month. Hundreds of thousands of kids per year. Being allowed to be trafficked into unspeakable horrors... That's BIG MONEY. And that's truly what the left is trying to protect with their protests. But you can't argue facts when one side has been screaming "HE'S A NAZI!" since day one. (which was the point of that rhetoric) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Just now, SoCal Deek said: Apparently Racist is the 2020 version of Deplorable! The Left is hoping that their latest prejudice will stick. When you are running against a guy who hung out with child sex traffickers, it really won't matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Salon is just one news outlet, so as usual you have no clue. Did you see Trump partying with the child sex trafficker?? Did you!! Nobody cares. You guys told us that for years when Bill was being serviced right in the OVAL OFFICE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: But he never attended parties with sex traffickers! Might want to wait on that victory lap -- considering he partied with Bin Talal quite a bit. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 39 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I think the Dem candidates match up much better against Trump than they do against each other. The question becomes how much damage will they inflict upon each other to win the nomination? One on one, if any of the front runners can get up on a stage, and spar with Trump about policy, and "look Presidential" they've got a great shot. 2016 was hilarious in the sense that Hilary had no policies. She was a historically bad candidate with major baggage, and no policies. She tried to ride into office just because she was a woman, and the majority of independent voters couldn't stomach her and her past. Trump got by yielding a couple buzz words that fired up his base ("Build the wall", "Lock her up", etc) and the base ate it up. This time will be different. Whichever Democrat emerges from the pile will have real policies that will have got them to the top of the pile because they're popular policies among Democrats. This time, unless he figures out how to control the narrative, Trump is going to have to talk about detailed policy on the debate stage, which I don't think is his strength at all. That's a hot take and if it turns out you are correct, I'll be the first to put my hand out and say "Geesh, didn't see that coming.". Thereafter, I have to support a bogus investigation into your candidate crossing the Peace Bridge and not declaring 3 bags of fruit at Customs and applaud while your candidate is mired in bullshyt all while screaming "IF SHE'S INNOCENT SHE SHOULD BE HAPPY TO BE INVESTIGATED BY THE FBI/CIA AND NSA!". The fact is no policy details are released or batted about on the debate stage, ever. Let me be clear....O...O...Obama was very polished at delivering nothing, W not so much, and Trump obviously repeating the same thing 4 times in exactly the same thing. He's great, lots of people say it, they say that he's great. On the other hand, as of right now, and it can change--Trump can speak on his accomplishments that include the economy, consumer confidence, employment numbers for Americans across the board, tax cuts, repatriation of $$$ and investment by companies like Apple due to changes in tax code, the strengthening of the SC and federal court system, his attempts to return some semblance of control to the Southern Border with a do-nothing Dem house, his experience with NATO, and at the same time, point to the dems pattern of dirty tricks: The Russia hoax/debacle coup attempt. He will hammer this hard, often and rightly so. He will point to the many tentacles from Obama on down that trafficked in illegal surveillance, unmasking and weaponization of our once trusted intelligence/law enforcement agencies and the need to continue to clean out that part of the swamp. It will get ugly, and up until now it's been a picnic. Kavanaugh visciously attacked simply because he's a conservative white male, makes you wonder when they are coming for you next. All their hands are dirty there, none more so than Harris. The desperation of the homeless in places like California, the high tax rate doing nothing to cure it, all brought to you by the elitist dem platform before it's even gone full batshit crazy socialist. When all is said and done, he has plenty to talk about, you just might not be willing to listen. In fact, he has a slate of positive and uplifting data to speak on, juxtaposed to the dem message despair, anger and divisiveness that ONLY a 70% tax rate and health care for those here in violation of our laws paid for by the heartland can solve. That's not your IRA, someone else deserves that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Just now, SoCal Deek said: Nobody cares. You guys told us that for years when Bill was being serviced right in the OVAL OFFICE! Trump is just a worse version of Clinton! Peas in a pod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 4 hours ago, McGee Return TD said: Not surprising coming from a member of the party of hate I'm jrober too? No I’m jrober. And I followed DR here from another board as a member of a Deep State business where I get paid when people respond to me. When someone says something, believe them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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