IDBillzFan Posted July 15, 2019 Posted July 15, 2019 54 minutes ago, B-Man said: You know the rules................. NO FAIR ASKING DEMOCRATIC CONTENDERS TO TAKE A POSITION . The Antifa terrorist who as shot after charging the ICE building up here exclaimed that ICE centers are actually concentration camps. Those are AOC's exact words. Has anyone asked AOC if she condones his words and actions? No? Really? Not yet? Hmmmm. How odd. Perhaps I'll see it tonight on CNN.
IDBillzFan Posted July 15, 2019 Posted July 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Watching this press conference -- Trump won again. Not able to watch, but the schittshow has one upside the left: it will keep people from talking about the end of Biden's career. 1 3
Deranged Rhino Posted July 15, 2019 Posted July 15, 2019 1 minute ago, IDBillzFan said: Not able to watch, but the schittshow has one upside the left: it will keep people from talking about the end of Biden's career. It's a train wreck. In every sense. But people are watching... 1
GG Posted July 15, 2019 Posted July 15, 2019 18 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: The guy who called me a racist has met me and my family multiple times. That's a word maybe you toss around lightly. I do not and I don't toss it around here often either, even when that nutjob was fantasizing about killing muslims. I would think that if you're going to call someone that, you wouldn't do it on a message board. But that's my standard, not apparently his. I'm happy that you and him have a cheering section for that kind of behavior. Good that you all have each other. Hug it out boys. For the last couple of years you have shied away from having an honest dialogue in favor of patronizing other members of the board. When challenged to explain your thoughts, you run away, only to come back with another side swipe. You revel at mocking the group think that you say happens here, yet rarely offer substantive counterpoints. When challenged today to explain exactly why Trump's comments are racist, you predictably ran away from the argument. 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted July 15, 2019 Posted July 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: Not able to watch, but the schittshow has one upside the left: it will keep people from talking about the end of Biden's career. Hmmm déjà vu. I "think" I got the start time. Starts at the 20 minute mark. 2
IDBillzFan Posted July 15, 2019 Posted July 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: It's a train wreck. In every sense. But people are watching... How so? I have Twitter, but it's not very helpful.
BeginnersMind Posted July 15, 2019 Posted July 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, GG said: For the last couple of years you have shied away from having an honest dialogue in favor of patronizing other members of the board. When challenged to explain your thoughts, you run away, only to come back with another side swipe. You revel at mocking the group think that you say happens here, yet rarely offer substantive counterpoints. To the conspiracy true believers, sometimes I do, but not always. I contribute substantively as often as I feel like. As do you. 12 minutes ago, GG said: When challenged today to explain exactly why Trump's comments are racist, you predictably ran away from the argument. You want me to repeat what others have already said and what I’ve said? That would not add a lot. Plenz has mostly said what I would say. Trump made a racist remark. You disagree. Discussion about the same ensued. Someone called me personally a racist. That’s escalation from a guy I have met. I’m uncomfortable even discussing it like this but do it because I see it as symptomatic of the mess of this place. People aren’t acting like they would in person. Have a beer? No and mockery. Tailgate? No and mockery. Get personal if that’s the way you like it. I won’t.
Buffalo_Gal Posted July 15, 2019 Posted July 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I "think" I got the start time. Starts at the 20 minute mark. Holy crap on a cracker! How did President Trump get so lucky? How did Nancy let them go out there? How did anyone think this was a good idea?? Rope to hang themselves? Are they the new face of the party? These sound bites will live forever... 5
Deranged Rhino Posted July 15, 2019 Posted July 15, 2019 22 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: How so? I have Twitter, but it's not very helpful. They called him "the occupant", all pushed for impeachment, said he was credibly accused of serious crimes including Russian collusion, says he's making women drink from toilets, Omar repeated the "grab them by the *****" and "***** hole countries" lines (on live TV). They looked spoiled and out of touch. In other words, it will make them the story for the week -- not any of the candidates running for office. It'll make Nancy Pelosi have to go back into trying to prevent an impeachment push. That will deepen the civil war going on with the prog-left and establishment DNC. And more. Here's a highlight -- 1
plenzmd1 Posted July 15, 2019 Posted July 15, 2019 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Correct, he said nothing like that. You stitched in the rest because for reasons known only to you and perhaps your hot yoga instructor, that's the way your mind works. The fact that other people share your tendency to stitch in a similar fashion makes it no more/less truthful than anything else. To boot, he did not tweet about 4 random people sitting on a bench outside a mall, he tweeted about political adversaries who do their own share of crap-throwing, and in some cases label their opponents in very harsh terms. I'd think we could agree the rules are different for those in that realm? he has said every one of those things..every single one . I agree it was not about 4 random people, it was about women of color who ancestry is either African or Middle Eastern..it was targeted , on that we agree 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: what cha waitin for? 25 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Yes. He would actually need to say something malignant about race to make it racist. Full stop. Being openly hostile to someone with brown skin is not racist, unless you're hostile because of the color of their skin. It's quite clear why the President is hostile. The ideology of the individuals in question. You can disagree with, even openly savage, a person of color for their ideas and opinions, and not be racist. ... Nearly every country hemorrhaging migrants and refugees are those where the overwhelming majority of the populace are people of color. These are typically war torn Third World countries, collapsed failed socialist states, or nations controlled by junta or cartels which is why people are fleeing them en masse. If these countries were any good, people would not be fleeing. People are not flooding from Denmark into Syria. People are not fleeing Canada for the greener pastures of Guatemala. The President of El Salvador, Nayib Bukele said it best: "They [migrants] fled El Salvador, they fled our country. It is our fault." I've never heard the "dirty" bit, but consider: Migrants and refugees arriving at our Southern Border are often malnourished, impoverished, and disease ridden. They are not inoculated, and carry all manner of disease. The overwhelming majority of people who have died in Border Control custody arrived here deathly ill, after being dragged thousands of miles across a desert. And most do come here to have children. Birthright citizenship is a reality. Further the President isn't the first person to comment on this. The entire DNC electoral strategy is built on it. Here, Melissa Harris-Perry delivers the message in a piece titled the "browning of America" (2014) <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/embedded-video/mmvo309395011533" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Thank you for the thoughful reply 1) we will disagree that one must mention race to write/speak a racist idea. "Go back where they came from" breeding concept" are statements most would say are racist statements, no mention of color.Have you ever heard anyone else say "breed" about humans having children. I see you said they they come here to have children, not they come here to breed. 2) And i must apologize to @leh-nerd skin-erd and you, and the board as it does seem i was wrong and it was Tucker Carlson who said the immigrants were "dirty"..nit Trump. That is my mistake
RochesterRob Posted July 15, 2019 Posted July 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: he has said every one of those things..every single one . I agree it was not about 4 random people, it was about women of color who ancestry is either African or Middle Eastern..it was targeted , on that we agree what cha waitin for? Thank you for the thoughful reply 1) we will disagree that one must mention race to write/speak a racist idea. "Go back where they came from" breeding concept" are statements most would say are racist statements, no mention of color.Have you ever heard anyone else say "breed" about humans having children. I see you said they they come here to have children, not they come here to breed. 2) And i must apologize to @leh-nerd skin-erd and you, and the board as it does seem i was wrong and it was Tucker Carlson who said the immigrants were "dirty"..nit Trump. That is my mistake While we are nitpicking I don't think that AOC is Middle Eastern or African unless something has been revealed via DNA testing. I have no problem in being accurate in describing other people but lets get it right as much as possible. 1
reddogblitz Posted July 15, 2019 Posted July 15, 2019 4 hours ago, IDBillzFan said: Democrats: working every day to ensure all Americans can thrive and prosper by spending countless hours pointing fingers and standing in useless judgement. Certainly good to see there aren't other pressing issues to take up their time and can concentrate on this. If the resolution passes, how many more immigrants in detention will have a bed to sleep in tonight or tooth paste or a shower? How many homeless people will be taken off the street? How many opiod addicts will get treatment? Will the budget now balance? How many new people will get health insurance at a reasonable cost? Will it do anything to ease income inequality?
keepthefaith Posted July 15, 2019 Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: he has said every one of those things..every single one . I agree it was not about 4 random people, it was about women of color who ancestry is either African or Middle Eastern..it was targeted , on that we agree what cha waitin for? Thank you for the thoughful reply 1) we will disagree that one must mention race to write/speak a racist idea. "Go back where they came from" breeding concept" are statements most would say are racist statements, no mention of color.Have you ever heard anyone else say "breed" about humans having children. I see you said they they come here to have children, not they come here to breed. 2) And i must apologize to @leh-nerd skin-erd and you, and the board as it does seem i was wrong and it was Tucker Carlson who said the immigrants were "dirty"..nit Trump. That is my mistake No, "go back to where you came from" is not at all racist AND NOT what he tweeted. On the Carlson comment - context, video or some link to what he said? AOC, Omar and others DO deserve the criticism they've been getting from the right and from some in their own party. They continually invoke the race card even when there is no such linkage. Edited July 15, 2019 by keepthefaith
B-Man Posted July 15, 2019 Posted July 15, 2019 Trump is not a racist; he’s pushing the Overton window to normal. FTA: It was not so long ago that we expected people who came to America as immigrants to (a) recognize that they were invited guests, rather than entitled squatters; and (b) not to bad mouth their new country. All of these immigrants, without exception, came here legally with some, such as my father, a Polish citizen, waiting years before they were allowed in thanks to national quotas. All of these immigrants, without exception, either had to bring money with them or have someone sponsor them so that they did not become a charge on the public. And all of these immigrants, without exception, worked hard. Some made it financially; some, like my father, never did. But all of them recognized that their being in America was a rare privilege. Even though many missed their home country (the food, familiar customs, etc.) or, in the case of the Europeans, looked longingly at the cradle-to-grave care Europeans could afford in the 1970s thanks to America paying their defense costs, they still understood that they were lucky to have been invited into an extraordinary country. They recognized that, even though it might have been hard to leave their familiar world behind, they had made it possible for their children to have a much better life than anything they could have done in the old country. There were no exceptions to these values in my world of immigrants. The viewpoint I’ve just described was Overton window on the subject of immigration for centuries: America is an incredible land of opportunity and, thankfully, a generous country. We Americans want to continue as we have done by inviting into our country hard workers and creative people who will be appropriately grateful for the opportunity given to themselves and their children. We recognize that new immigrants will inevitably suffer from homesickness and that they may view some of the things they left behind as more virtuous or better run than America, but we expect that, having freely volunteered to come here, they will treat their new home with love and respect. Moreover, that wasn’t just the American point of view; the immigrants came in with the same attitude. Within the last decade or so, the Leftists changed this immigration Overton window. Pretty much ever since Obama hit the White House, Leftists have insulted America and then doubled-down on insulting America, and than increased their insults to America. Even as people from around the world have illegally stormed America’s borders, the Left has told us — and instructed these new immigrants to believe — that America is a stinking pile of poop country, filled with evil plutocrats and redneck racists. To the Left and the new immigrants they indoctrinate, America is a country to be loathed, not to be admired. Moreover, immigrants are told to believe that whether we graciously invited them in or they voluntarily broke in to our country like common criminals. You know that and I know that this is what the Leftists have done. Moreover, the millions of Americans who aren’t as political as we are know that this is what Leftists have done. They intuitively recognize that the new Overton window is as unrelated to reality as the current gender madness, but because of the Leftist Overton window shift, they are cowed into silence. The silent, sane majority in of Americans know that they can lose their jobs, get doxed, be socially humiliated, or be subject to brutal attacks if they suggest that people who were living in dirt poor, war torn, corrupt countries were blessed to come here. It would be even worse were these silenced Americans to state the obvious conclusion: If these new immigrants cannot show gratitude for the country that took them in, but insist that it’s the most evil country in the world and that their dirt poor, war torn, corrupt homeland is better, they should stop taking up space in America and return to their natal lands. In other words, Trump stated the obvious. And by his willingness to state the obvious, he has returned the obvious to the realm of public discourse. He has shifted the Overton window back to a more normal, common sense debate. It wasn’t a mistake of epic proportions. It was a brilliant insistence on having public debate occur in reality world, not in the Leftist’s dystopian fantasy world. .More at the link.............. . . 1
DC Tom Posted July 15, 2019 Posted July 15, 2019 Was what Trump tweeted more or less racist than his tweets regarding Elizabeth Warren's race?
Doc Brown Posted July 15, 2019 Posted July 15, 2019 1 hour ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Only one woman was not from America. And he didn't say she should go back to where she's from because of her race. You did. Again, it goes back to the first thing I said in this response: it's about ideology. You're correct in that he was attacking their ideology. Why he just didn't say if you don't like our country feel free to leave is beyond me. However, his tweet clearly states that he thinks more than one progressive Congresswomen is from another country. I'm assuming he thought at least two of them weren't from America because of what they look like. That's the most generous interpretation. I'd point to him being ignorant (a consistency with Trump) over racist/xenophobic. 1
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