Thurman#1 Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: The 2012 team has nothing to do with this group. The conversation and spread from Vegas was about THIS Alabama team. I’m not sure why anyone inserts any other program into the conversation? We are all aware that this Alabama team is an outlier. This is a culmination of a lot of hits AND an elite QB. They are different from their predecessors. It’s also a conservative estimate based on the most recent recruiting cycles. You are looking at ages and not pedigree. Jerry Jeudy is a true sophomore and arguably the best receiver in the country. I was just responding to your point on nutrition, “Bama guys are mostly on meal plans and studying while NFL players are eating at the facility Andy focusing on nothing but football.” I guess the point here is if you think an Alabama Football player has ANYTHING to worry about but Alabama Football, we disagree. It is certainly different at other programs. Yes, Alabama has a respectable graduation rate but 100% of their football needs come before anything else. If there were ever an academic issue that jeopardized the football program, someone would step in and make it go away. When you couple that with the lack of family, media and marketing commitments that pros have the “free time” isn’t that different. Football is all that matters in that state AND to the donors. That’s an underrated part of this. The donors hold the school hostage if they don’t like the direction of the football team. As a quick anecdotal side story I have a good friend that works in the athletic department at Auburn. The largest donor at Auburn has a $172M (think is the number) gift to Auburn. It is contingent on $38M of it being used to buy out Gus Malzahn. If Malzahn isn’t bought out this year, Auburn won’t get any of it. We are certainly in agreement about the age. It sounds like we are also reaching an agreement that the ingest challenge for Alabama will be the complexities. The mental side is the largest gap between pros and even Alabama. We just differ on how much the physical skills would offset it. It’s no problem though. This conversation has been interesting because 2 people can see the same things differently. It’s been an interesting conversation. That's an interesting story about Auburn and the donor. Nuts. Completely nuts, but that's the culture down there. "ingest challenge"? Do you mean biggest challenge? Autocorrect? The 2012 team has plenty to do with this group. Same coach. Same facilities. They won a national championship, which this group has yet to do. They run in Saban's system and both groups beat a few very difficult opponents they also both played a bunch of patsies like The Citadel. Same state, same nuts atmosphere. They had four guys go in the first and five in the top 35 picks in the 2012 draft. They have a ton in common. You're not being conservative. When you are looking at an extremely complex system with a track record of ten or twelve years and you're trying to look three years into an unknowable future with millions of possible variables ... guessing that the future will be significantly higher than the highest past result isn't being conservative. It's sticking your neck out. And no, Jerry Jeudy isn't the best receiver in the country. That would be Antonio Brown, probably. Or maybe Julio Jones or Adam Thielen or Michael Thomas. A few other guys might be in the discussion, but not Jerry Jeudy. After Jeudy becomes eligible and gets drafted and spends months of OTAs and full-time study rather than working around the classwork which is required of him now and goes through training camp he might become a very fine receiver. It probably won't happen in his first game, and certainly wouldn't if his first game happened, say, sometime in the next few weeks and his QB was dealing with a pro DL like ours while being protected by guys like he has in front of him now, OLs with a lot of potential and no knowledge of the pro game. And while there is a limited "make the problem go away" factor, the NCAA has a say in this. Big schools have had NCAA problems before. And programs that seemed all-powerful (Miami in the eighties and very early 90s and then again in the early noughties) were brought down to earth. Unpredictable stuff happens. Injuries happen. Drug scandals happen. Crimes happen. Sexual accusations happen. Stuff happens. Edited November 30, 2018 by Thurman#1
Bill from NYC Posted November 30, 2018 Posted November 30, 2018 30 minutes ago, row_33 said: how is this Bama team any different in this era? they didn't play a decent OOC opponent the entire season? that helps the stats just another year of football 2 questions if I may...... A) Exactly which OOC teams would you like them to play? B) Which powerful OOC teams do you think want to play Alabama? If the answer to these questions includes UCF, I might even jump on your bandwagon. At least Bama faces SOME good teams. Compare that to Clemson if you will and I'm sorry to whoever I offend but Notre Dame as well.
Dopey Posted December 1, 2018 Posted December 1, 2018 (edited) Half time show on FOX between Utah and Washington and the crew metions the Bulls by asking which is the better team in Buffalo, the Bulls or Bills. Made me think of this thread. Bulls, of course. Edited December 1, 2018 by Dopey
BringBackOrton Posted December 1, 2018 Posted December 1, 2018 LOOOOOOOOL Bama can't get a lead on Georgia. But they'd hang with the Bills. Sure.
BB@Shooter Posted December 1, 2018 Posted December 1, 2018 On 11/30/2018 at 1:57 AM, #34fan said: Bills By 28.... Coaching would be a huge factor in this contest, and sorry, but Bama would have an advantage there... I'd expect Bama's defense to shock the skeptics with their ability to disrupt Allen's process, and keep him off-base... -Bama loses, but covers by half a point. I do believe Alabama's coach had a team in the NFL called the Miami Dolphins. What happened to his genius coaching? Game over. If he couldn't do it with pro athletes, what makes you think he could do it with college players?
Kirby Jackson Posted December 1, 2018 Author Posted December 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, BB@Shooter said: I do believe Alabama's coach had a team in the NFL called the Miami Dolphins. What happened to his genius coaching? Game over. If he couldn't do it with pro athletes, what makes you think he could do it with college players? He was 9-7 with trash talent in year one. If he picked Brees instead of Culpepper he’d still be coaching.
BringBackOrton Posted December 1, 2018 Posted December 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: He was 9-7 with trash talent in year one. If he picked Brees instead of Culpepper he’d still be coaching. Could the Bills cover -28 against Georgia in the SEC Championship?
#34fan Posted December 1, 2018 Posted December 1, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BB@Shooter said: I do believe Alabama's coach had a team in the NFL called the Miami Dolphins. What happened to his genius coaching? Game over. If he couldn't do it with pro athletes, what makes you think he could do it with college players? Because he's been killing it with college players ever since he's got to Tuscaloosa... Plus, he's got a killer supporting staff... Bills 42 Bama 14... Back-door 4th quarter TD kills the spread. Edited December 1, 2018 by #34fan
Augie Posted December 1, 2018 Posted December 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: He was 9-7 with trash talent in year one. If he picked Brees instead of Culpepper he’d still be coaching. ...and I’d still be weeping! To ba fair, it was the doctors and not Saban, right? Could you imagine Brees AND Brady twice a year? Welcome to the fetal position.....
BringBackOrton Posted December 1, 2018 Posted December 1, 2018 Could Tua throw less than 4 picks in the red zone against the Bills if the spread was +28? 1
HappyDays Posted December 1, 2018 Posted December 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Could Tua throw less than 4 picks in the red zone against the Bills if the spread was +28? I wonder how many pick sixes our secondary would have in Tua's first ever game against a pro defense with little preparation. That alone might cover the spread.
KennyDavisEyes Posted December 2, 2018 Posted December 2, 2018 16 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I wonder how many pick sixes our secondary would have in Tua's first ever game against a pro defense with little preparation. That alone might cover the spread. Probably not that many vs. Tua because Jerry Hughes would probably snap his neck in the first few possessions. But yeah - probably a lot vs. their backups.
mannc Posted December 2, 2018 Posted December 2, 2018 47 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I wonder how many pick sixes our secondary would have in Tua's first ever game against a pro defense with little preparation. That alone might cover the spread. So one bad game and now he sucks?
GoBills808 Posted December 2, 2018 Posted December 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, mannc said: So one bad game and now he sucks? No, the point as always is college football teams would get absolutely rocked versus pros.
BringBackOrton Posted December 2, 2018 Posted December 2, 2018 15 minutes ago, mannc said: So one bad game and now he sucks? One bad game, against woah, the second best SEC team, which isn’t even comparable to the worst NFL team, which means that the worst NFL team would embarrass him.
HappyDays Posted December 2, 2018 Posted December 2, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, mannc said: So one bad game and now he sucks? If he stepped into an NFL game tomorrow yes he would suck. He would be so physically and mentally unprepared it would be like watching a parody of a football game. Especially with his college pass protection and college receivers. The turnover margin would be insane. I honestly don't think our offense would need to gain more than 200 total yards to win the game by 30. Edited December 2, 2018 by HappyDays
mannc Posted December 2, 2018 Posted December 2, 2018 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: No, the point as always is college football teams would get absolutely rocked versus pros. And today does nothing to prove that. Georgia is a really good team and Alabama didn’t play great. So what? 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: One bad game, against woah, the second best SEC team, which isn’t even comparable to the worst NFL team, which means that the worst NFL team would embarrass him. It means no such thing. He had a bad game against a very good team. It was one game. Josh Allen had a horrible game against Green Bay, a mediocre NFL defense. Does that mean he sucks? Of course not.
78thealltimegreat Posted December 2, 2018 Posted December 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, mannc said: So one bad game and now he sucks? Just now, mannc said: And today does nothing to prove that. Georgia is a really good team and Alabama didn’t play great. So what? Look give it up Georgia beat up Tua....Jerry Hughes would end his career 1
GoBills808 Posted December 2, 2018 Posted December 2, 2018 1 minute ago, mannc said: And today does nothing to prove that. Georgia is a really good team and Alabama didn’t play great. So what? So what is they’re college athletes. They struggle against other college athletes. The professional ones would run them out on stretchers, and that’s not hyperbole. I firmly believe a college team would suffer multiple major injuries if they were to play against an NFL team.
mannc Posted December 2, 2018 Posted December 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: If he stepped into an NFL game tomorrow yes he would suck. He would be so physically and mentally unprepared it would be like watching a parody of a football game. Especially with his college pass protection and college receivers. The turnover margin would be insane. I honestly don't think our offense would need to gain more than 300 total yards to win the game by 30. Jeudy and Waddle might both start for the Bills. And Waddle is a true freshman. Just now, GoBills808 said: So what is they’re college athletes. They struggle against other college athletes. The professional ones would run them out on stretchers, and that’s not hyperbole. I firmly believe a college team would suffer multiple major injuries if they were to play against an NFL team. Ask guys in the NFL who’ve played for and against Alabama. They completely disagree.
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