KD in CA Posted November 25, 2018 Posted November 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Talley56 said: I’d like to see a Rams vs UConn spread. 87 1/2
bills11 Posted November 25, 2018 Posted November 25, 2018 Bills or any NFL team and it wouldn't be close..Bama's o line or any in college has no chance to block an NFL defensive line this is grown men vs college kids..and college success is no guarantee of success against NFL players and technique and schemes...so many busts were college superstars.the bills would have Tua looking worse than kirk cousins he would be sacked and NFL record amount .
dlonce Posted November 25, 2018 Posted November 25, 2018 This conversation is silly. Its all fantasy. There is no way on earth Alabama covers that spread, it is men against boys. A vast majority of those “Bama” players will crash and burn in the NFL,or not make it originally. Yes, I’ve watched a lot of those bama games because I’m interested as a Clemson Alumnus. They would have no chance against the Bills and would never cover.
Orlando Buffalo Posted November 25, 2018 Posted November 25, 2018 14 hours ago, iinii said: It wasn’t because he was scared of McBeane. Put the Koolaid down, it is affecting your brain. You are actually stating Alabama does not have superior talent? Wow i think you must be related to Saban.
4merper4mer Posted November 25, 2018 Posted November 25, 2018 Does Bama get to use R. Foster now that he is out of the NFL?
HappyDays Posted November 25, 2018 Posted November 25, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, Bill Murray said: Putting shady to the side however, just contemplate Chris Ivory. The guy runs harder than anyone in the NFL; he is an absolute battering ram. No college level DB and very very few safeties could bring him down. Chris Ivory alone would decimate their defense with injuries. People are not thinking very rationally about this scenario. They aren't taking into account injuries, fatigue, special teams, etc. It's just the same points being repeated over and over. Sure maybe their great college receivers would have a couple catches in the 1st quarter before fatigue set in. Maybe a DPI at the 1 would gift them a TD, if they could somehow score from 1 yard out. Even in the best case scenario by the 2nd half most of the team would be injured and the rest would be very sore and very tired. At that point, assuming the Bills didn't take their foot off the gas, we could run up the score at will. Everyone who thinks Alabama would cover is assuming their talent alone is enough. Plenty of supremely talented college players have made it to the NFL and made it no further than their rookie contracts. It takes a year of the Chris Ivorys of the world to knock you down before you can truly know you are an NFL player. Edited November 25, 2018 by HappyDays
Kirby Jackson Posted November 25, 2018 Author Posted November 25, 2018 10 hours ago, Talley56 said: I’d like to see a Rams vs UConn spread. We can probably kind of figure it out. The Rams - Alabama hypothetical spread is 49.5. If Alabama is a 45 point favorite against UCONN you are looking at 94.5. I would think that they’d cut it some just because it’s hard to score that many points. Say that 45 is cut in half to 22.5. I’m thinking a spread of 72 for the Rams over UCONN. I’d lay the points.
Bing Bong Posted November 25, 2018 Posted November 25, 2018 How TF is Bama getting 35% votes?! Y'all are dumb... Dumb dumb dumb as all getout.
Kirby Jackson Posted November 25, 2018 Author Posted November 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Chris Ivory alone would decimate their defense with injuries. People are not thinking very rationally about this scenario. They aren't taking into account injuries, fatigue, special teams, etc. It's just the same points being repeated over and over. Sure maybe their great college receivers would have a couple catches in the 1st quarter before fatigue set in. Maybe a DPI at the 1 would gift them a TD, if they could somehow score from 1 yard out. Even in the best case scenario by the 2nd half most of the team would be injured and the rest would be very sore and very tired. At that point, assuming the Bills didn't take their foot off the gas, we could run up the score at will. Everyone who thinks Alabama would cover is assuming their talent alone is enough. Plenty of supremely talented college players have made it to the NFL and made it no further than their rookie contracts. It takes a year of the Chris Ivorys of the world to knock you down before you can truly know you are an NFL player. I actually think the exact opposite. They have 2 defensive tackles that will be round one picks and starting in the NFL in 9 months. I don’t believe that a decent NFL back is going to run all over these guys and injure them. Russell Bodine, John Miller and Wyatt Teller aren’t pushing Quinnen Williams and Raekwon Davis around!! That’s crazy. The 2 best players of those 5 both play on Alabama. People think that there is some magical improvement between big time college football and the draft. There isn’t. The elite players are elite. Because of the nature of recruiting the elite players are concentrated in a few programs. If you follow recruiting you will see that the top classes are the same schools every year. That means that they have the best freshman, the best sophomores, the best juniors and the best seniors in the country. This isn’t like the salary cap world where everybody has a handful of elite players, a middle class and back of the roster players. At a program like Bama the back of the roster and middle class players get recruited over. They play 4 and 5 star recruits. They play future NFL players.
BringBackOrton Posted November 25, 2018 Posted November 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I actually think the exact opposite. They have 2 defensive tackles that will be round one picks and starting in the NFL in 9 months. I don’t believe that a decent NFL back is going to run all over these guys and injure them. Russell Bodine, John Miller and Wyatt Teller aren’t pushing Quinnen Williams and Raekwon Davis around!! That’s crazy. The 2 best players of those 5 both play on Alabama. People think that there is some magical improvement between big time college football and the draft. There isn’t. The elite players are elite. Because of the nature of recruiting the elite players are concentrated in a few programs. If you follow recruiting you will see that the top classes are the same schools every year. That means that they have the best freshman, the best sophomores, the best juniors and the best seniors in the country. This isn’t like the salary cap world where everybody has a handful of elite players, a middle class and back of the roster players. At a program like Bama the back of the roster and middle class players get recruited over. They play 4 and 5 star recruits. They play future NFL players. They play 5 star recruits in rotations. Vlad Ducasse would be pancaking linebackers left and right. Bills would have 200 yards rushing at half, easily.
Kirby Jackson Posted November 25, 2018 Author Posted November 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: They play 5 star recruits in rotations. Vlad Ducasse would be pancaking linebackers left and right. Bills would have 200 yards rushing at half, easily. Vlad Ducasse doesn’t even play!! He lost his job to a middle round rookie. That’s the guy that’s going to push around and physically dominate a top 5 pick.
GoBills808 Posted November 25, 2018 Posted November 25, 2018 17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I actually think the exact opposite. They have 2 defensive tackles that will be round one picks and starting in the NFL in 9 months. I don’t believe that a decent NFL back is going to run all over these guys and injure them. Russell Bodine, John Miller and Wyatt Teller aren’t pushing Quinnen Williams and Raekwon Davis around!! That’s crazy. The 2 best players of those 5 both play on Alabama. People think that there is some magical improvement between big time college football and the draft. There isn’t. The elite players are elite. Because of the nature of recruiting the elite players are concentrated in a few programs. If you follow recruiting you will see that the top classes are the same schools every year. That means that they have the best freshman, the best sophomores, the best juniors and the best seniors in the country. This isn’t like the salary cap world where everybody has a handful of elite players, a middle class and back of the roster players. At a program like Bama the back of the roster and middle class players get recruited over. They play 4 and 5 star recruits. They play future NFL players. Teller held his own last week against a proven NFL d tackle in McLendon. Every NFL guy is proven. Alabama is full of potential future NFL players. The NFL is full of actual NFL players.
boyst Posted November 25, 2018 Posted November 25, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: Vlad Ducasse doesn’t even play!! He lost his job to a middle round rookie. That’s the guy that’s going to push around and physically dominate a top 5 pick. This is also a key point that hinges upon the games success. If an NFL team played an NCAA team the tempo is just that much faster that an NCAA player would have to break in to the speed, power and and agility of the game. Not too many rookie DL come in to the league successfully in their first 3 or 4 games. That's after practicing all off season and being among the top 15 of their position to be drafted in a worthy round. Ducasse, though not great, is already up to NFL speed where as the average top 5 NCAA defender is not. The DL would be facing OL schemes and players that are as fast or faster with as much power to match them. The LB's, generally the best players on defense in the NCAA, would be met equally by premier FB's which college doesn't have, strong TE's which are rare in NCAA, as well as the previously mentioned faster and more powerful OL. The gaps NCAA backers capitalize on would be much more narrow against an NFL than someone like Vanderbilt or UVA or that lowly team up north. And backers in coverage would be outmatched by TE's as big or bigger than they are and much more physical. The WR's would blow by them or stunt them to death. LB's bridge a huge gap to transition to the big league, cornerbacks, too. CB's no longer just have to be atheltic enough to keep up with the WR they have to read the seasoned NFL QB who lead them off and pull them away. That'll give safety positons, which IMO is the hardest to adapt to in the NFL from NCAA, real problems. The NCAA has been Fielding amazing talent at the S positions of recent. On defense it would look like a backyard football game. I'd want a tyrod Taylor as much as any QB if I could not get a Brees, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, or Ryan type. The defense would be out matched on speed alone. On defense the NFL team would overpower them on the line almost every play.
Kirby Jackson Posted November 25, 2018 Author Posted November 25, 2018 24 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Teller held his own last week against a proven NFL d tackle in McLendon. Every NFL guy is proven. Alabama is full of potential future NFL players. The NFL is full of actual NFL players. You are supporting my point. Teller played very well. He is no more than months removed from being a mid-round pick. Perhaps, the OL would have been better if he had taken the role earlier? He didn’t become a completely different player than on draft day. The same for Tre White the year before. He was a good college player and a few months later a good NFL player. “Potential” NFL players isn’t fair either in some cases. “Future” NFL players is more accurate for the top guys. Quinnen Williams will be a top 5 to 10 pick. He’s not “potentially” an NFL player. He just isn’t there yet.
mannc Posted November 25, 2018 Posted November 25, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: You are supporting my point. Teller played very well. He is no more than months removed from being a mid-round pick. Perhaps, the OL would have been better if he had taken the role earlier? He didn’t become a completely different player than on draft day. The same for Tre White the year before. He was a good college player and a few months later a good NFL player. “Potential” NFL players isn’t fair either in some cases. “Future” NFL players is more accurate for the top guys. Quinnen Williams will be a top 5 to 10 pick. He’s not “potentially” an NFL player. He just isn’t there yet. The idea that Quinnen Williams and Raekwon Davis would be terrorized by Chris Ivory (who I like) or pancaked by Vlad the Inhaler is one of the most laughable ideas I’ve heard in a while. I know their views are somewhat biased, but don’t people give any weight to the opinions of guys like Dareus and Mark Barron in the linked article, who say Alabama would win plenty of games in the NFL? I mean, they would know better than anyone, wouldn’t they? Edited November 25, 2018 by mannc
GoBills808 Posted November 25, 2018 Posted November 25, 2018 23 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: You are supporting my point. Teller played very well. He is no more than months removed from being a mid-round pick. Perhaps, the OL would have been better if he had taken the role earlier? He didn’t become a completely different player than on draft day. The same for Tre White the year before. He was a good college player and a few months later a good NFL player. “Potential” NFL players isn’t fair either in some cases. “Future” NFL players is more accurate for the top guys. Quinnen Williams will be a top 5 to 10 pick. He’s not “potentially” an NFL player. He just isn’t there yet. For sure about White- he's an exception IMO. He's one of the most talented players in the world and DB is one position that exceptional college players can come straight in and play at a high level. But you can't discount that there's a learning curve any time you step up a level in competition. I've played at a couple different levels of sports and it's a truism...playing against the best, day in and day out, forces you to be better in a way that's just not duplicable. There's a lot to be said for the improvement (physically, mentally, everything really) that must occur between draft day and week 1 even for the best prospects. They're having to go against other guys who are also the best of the best in college, and the Alabama team just isn't getting that level of competition on a day to day basis.
BillsfanAZ Posted November 25, 2018 Posted November 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: I actually think the exact opposite. They have 2 defensive tackles that will be round one picks and starting in the NFL in 9 months. I don’t believe that a decent NFL back is going to run all over these guys and injure them. Russell Bodine, John Miller and Wyatt Teller aren’t pushing Quinnen Williams and Raekwon Davis around!! That’s crazy. The 2 best players of those 5 both play on Alabama. People think that there is some magical improvement between big time college football and the draft. There isn’t. The elite players are elite. Because of the nature of recruiting the elite players are concentrated in a few programs. If you follow recruiting you will see that the top classes are the same schools every year. That means that they have the best freshman, the best sophomores, the best juniors and the best seniors in the country. This isn’t like the salary cap world where everybody has a handful of elite players, a middle class and back of the roster players. At a program like Bama the back of the roster and middle class players get recruited over. They play 4 and 5 star recruits. They play future NFL players. So in 2018 Bama had 12 players drafted into the NFL and some undrafted players. Not all 12 of those players are starting but they have potential to play eventually. So 12 have potential to play in the NFL, what about the other Bama players that will never be good enough for the NFL? You hit the nail on the head when you said "future NFL Players". The Bills players can play in the NFL now. The Bills Online dont need to push Williams and Davis around, just block them and attack other areas. NFL players full time job is to prepare themselves to play on Sunday. College only allows a certain amount of time to do this. The Bills would kill them.
Kirby Jackson Posted November 25, 2018 Author Posted November 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said: So in 2018 Bama had 12 players drafted into the NFL and some undrafted players. Not all 12 of those players are starting but they have potential to play eventually. So 12 have potential to play in the NFL, what about the other Bama players that will never be good enough for the NFL? You hit the nail on the head when you said "future NFL Players". The Bills players can play in the NFL now. The Bills Online dont need to push Williams and Davis around, just block them and attack other areas. NFL players full time job is to prepare themselves to play on Sunday. College only allows a certain amount of time to do this. The Bills would kill them. They had 12 drafted because others weren’t eligible or wanted to raise their stock. They will have another 12 or so this year. The same again next year when Jeudy and Tua are eligible. They have 30+ (conservatively) NFL players on their roster. 1
BringBackOrton Posted November 25, 2018 Posted November 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: They had 12 drafted because others weren’t eligible or wanted to raise their stock. They will have another 12 or so this year. The same again next year when Jeudy and Tua are eligible. They have 30+ (conservatively) NFL players on their roster. And half of them are (future) NFL prospects who are still children. And of the other half, only a handful will be good in the NFL.
Kirby Jackson Posted November 25, 2018 Author Posted November 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: And half of them are (future) NFL prospects who are still children. And of the other half, only a handful will be good in the NFL. We don’t necessarily disagree here. I think that they probably have 10+ first rounders and 20+ guys that are top 2 day picks. The Bills don’t have that. They are clearly further along but I don’t see this massive talent disparity. They are at different stages of development. 31-10 has been my prediction and I’m sticking with it.
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