BigBuff423 Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 Just now, jkirchofer said: Glad you have a monopoly on being a Bills fan. You must also be quite the NFL analyst. Tell me...how's that working out for you?
ColoradoBills Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, CodeMonkey said: The problem with this is, there are plenty of places they can get a check that aren't currently a complete dumpster fire. That is why the check will have to be a little bigger with a little more guaranteed money. It's just what they will have to do.
Jrb1979 Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 Just now, ColoradoBills said: That is why the check will have to be a little bigger with a little more guaranteed money. It's just what they will have to do. Then your back to the mess they just cleaned up.
ColoradoBills Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said: Then your back to the mess they just cleaned up. I don't see the Bills going after big name big contract players. I hear what you all are saying but they will pay a little more for 2nd tier players in FA. The only way to move forward is through the draft. If they don't hit in the draft they will not succeed.
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 3 hours ago, H2o said: Meh, I'm done watching until Allen retakes the field. People and media abroad can say whatever they want. Most of it is right. With Allen on the field this team and the energy around it was completely different. Don’t we averaged more yards per game with Anderson? I get wanting Allen to be good but minus a half against Minnesota, he was as bad or worse as the other guys.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 3 hours ago, jrober38 said: Don't we have a bunch of cap space and 10 draft picks? How are McDermott and Beane going to convince any free agents to want to come here? $90 million... that’s how
billsfan_34 Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 4 hours ago, wppete said: This season has been depressing. Possible the worst I have ever seen. Anyone remember a season that has been worse recently? Kay Stephenson or Hank Bullough ring a bell? Not so recent but those were some tough times as a kid freezin my nads off watching some bad bad football. I do think this is much worse on offense and special teams. 50 minutes ago, BillsFan1988 said: This message deserves an award. How's Mr McClappy gonna talk offense with these perspective free agents. Whats his selling point ? How about “Mr Pegula will give you your very own gas well, sign here”....?
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: $90 million... that’s how So we’re going to massively overpay free agents and end up in salary hell in a few years? I love Buffalo but no FA is joining this team without a huge overpay. Unless they really like Chicken wings. 1
jrober38 Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: $90 million... that’s how Overpaying for free agents is how we got into the current mess. Seems like a bad idea to repeat the same mistake. 1
jkirchofer Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 Just now, ColoradoBills said: That is why the check will have to be a little bigger with a little more guaranteed money. It's just what they will have to do. Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: So we’re going to massively overpay free agents and end up in salary hell in a few years? I love Buffalo but no FA is joining this team without a huge overpay. Unless they really like Chicken wings. It would also go against McDermott's locker room culture.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 4 hours ago, jrober38 said: I couldn't care less about making the playoffs. I care about having a GM, Coach and players who can win a Super Bowl, and right now there's nothing that suggests we have any of those things. Our coach loves to punt on 4th and short in opposition territory. He does it pretty much every opportunity he gets. That's all you need to know about Sean McDermott's philosophy to coaching. That's not something any of Bill Belicick, Andy Reid, Sean McVay or Sean Payton do. I mean - that's kind of a bad example. When your offense is historically bad and can't move the ball you really do want to pin them back as far as possible, no?
SoTier Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 3 hours ago, BmarvB said: Consider a HC who went 1-31 over a 2 year period and still got a third year Yes, the Cleveland Browns are the perfect team for the Bills to emulate. 3 hours ago, BigBuff423 said: No patience, no vision, no ability to remain positive toward the future and yet miserably complain every time the team tries to do something right...yikes. We're not the laughing stock because of record or Offensive woes or stupid table breaking b.s.....fans become the laughing stock because they refuse to accept the pain of getting better for the future AFTER they've asked for it for going on 10 years. Woof.... Bills fans aren't the laughing stock of the league. The Bills team is a laughing stock because they suck no matter how you try to spin. 3 hours ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: Because the process=tank, how haven’t everyone realized this No, "the process = incompetence". 3 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: I’m not normally a “no one wants to come to Buffalo” kind of guy. At all. But honest to God - how could you possibly expect the Pegulas to convince any promising football coach with any other options at all to come here after firing their second HC they hired in four years just one season after snapping an 18 year playoff drought? Not to mention everything else - horrible roster, non-football factors, etc. Seriously. I think the Pegulas wouldn't have a problem attracting a top flight HC if they do what they should have done when they bought the team: hire an experienced football exec with a strong player personnel background from one of the top notch NFL organizations (like KC, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, etc) to be a real NFL GM/President of Football Ops/Czar with the power to hire and fire everybody below him -- and answerable only to the Pegulas. The new GM would have the final decision on who stays and who goes, from the well-heeled suits on the second floor of OBD to the scouts to the coaching staff to the players, etc. It's time to finally completely break free from the shadow of Ralph Wilson's ghost (especially since they axed his spiritual "son", Russ Brandon, back in May). 1
H2o Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 18 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Don’t we averaged more yards per game with Anderson? I get wanting Allen to be good but minus a half against Minnesota, he was as bad or worse as the other guys. I don't know, but Allen's energy seems to rub off on everyone else. He also adds a running element that neither Lurch (DA) nor Gizmo (Peterpick) do when they are under Center. We were 2-3 with Allen starting, 0-4 with everyone else. Imo, we would have won the Texans game if he didn't get injured as well. 1
BigBuff423 Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, SoTier said: Yes, the Cleveland Browns are the perfect team for the Bills to emulate. Bills fans aren't the laughing stock of the league. The Bills team is a laughing stock because they suck no matter how you try to spin. No, "the process = incompetence". I think the Pegulas wouldn't have a problem attracting a top flight HC if they do what they should have done when they bought the team: hire an experienced football exec with a strong player personnel background from one of the top notch NFL organizations (like KC, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, etc) to be a real NFL GM/President of Football Ops/Czar with the power to hire and fire everybody below him -- and answerable only to the Pegulas. The new GM would have the final decision on who stays and who goes, from the well-heeled suits on the second floor of OBD to the scouts to the coaching staff to the players, etc. It's time to finally completely break free from the shadow of Ralph Wilson's ghost (especially since they axed his spiritual "son", Russ Brandon, back in May). Uh-huh....ok...so the countless memes of table-breaking that went so far as to have digital Brady do it on MNF is non-existent? Yeah, ok....good talk. If you try to pass the national media as a legit narrative, you've become an outsider because you fail to grasp the larger picture. That is to be expected from fans of other teams and from the talking heads at super-media conglomerates, but if you're a local fan (either living in the area or born and raised or just followed Buffalo your whole life), then you know outside opinions mean jack-diddly and they're often wrong. If you buy into it, then that perspective is part of the problem, not the solution.
ColoradoBills Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Overpaying for free agents is how we got into the current mess. Seems like a bad idea to repeat the same mistake. I agree with you jrob. I think a lot of posters are going to be a little shocked when FA comes around. 1st I do not see Beane spending all the money. He will save a decent hunk of it to resign future draft picks like you said in another thread. I bet they keep 25 million to rollover into 2020. I do see them signing 2-3 players on D with 4-6 million per year type guys. This will keep the D viable. They are going to have a hard time on offense signing guys. They can find a RB and TE in FA. There looks like a good amount of them available. They got to get at least one "decent" OL and WR in FA. It won't be any star player. They will need to overpay to do it. Overpaying a couple guys with a yearly average of less than 10 per year doesn't kill a teams future $'s. The rest of the FA money will go on 2-3 million per year guys that may or may not pan out. They will have to use the vast majority of picks on offense and will have to hit on a lot of them. If they don't they will fail. I know you already think they have failed but this is how I see the offseason going. 1
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 12 minutes ago, H2o said: I don't know, but Allen's energy seems to rub off on everyone else. He also adds a running element that neither Lurch (DA) nor Gizmo (Peterpick) do when they are under Center. We were 2-3 with Allen starting, 0-4 with everyone else. Imo, we would have won the Texans game if he didn't get injured as well. I respectfully don’t agree. He sucked in the Titans game and we were losing against the Texans. I’d rather see him than the other 2 but he was a pretty awful passer himself. Good runner though. 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Overpaying for free agents is how we got into the current mess. Seems like a bad idea to repeat the same mistake. 25 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: So we’re going to massively overpay free agents and end up in salary hell in a few years? I love Buffalo but no FA is joining this team without a huge overpay. Unless they really like Chicken wings. Nonsense. 90 mil and 10 draft picks net 8-10 maybe up to 14 new starters without cap hell. Sometimes up and comers or guys wanting out of a bad system or some other players shadow are happy to join a rebuild. Especially if they belive in the direction, philosophy or young talent. If if they need to over pay one or two guys a little, so be it. Top 3 dead cap contributors ($30 million of the 56) were drafted as Bills not free agent acquisitions. Dareus, Wood, Glenn. Edited November 6, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood
jrober38 Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I agree with you jrob. I think a lot of posters are going to be a little shocked when FA comes around. 1st I do not see Beane spending all the money. He will save a decent hunk of it to resign future draft picks like you said in another thread. I bet they keep 25 million to rollover into 2020. I do see them signing 2-3 players on D with 4-6 million per year type guys. This will keep the D viable. They are going to have a hard time on offense signing guys. They can find a RB and TE in FA. There looks like a good amount of them available. They got to get at least one "decent" OL and WR in FA. It won't be any star player. They will need to overpay to do it. Overpaying a couple guys with a yearly average of less than 10 per year doesn't kill a teams future $'s. The rest of the FA money will go on 2-3 million per year guys that may or may not pan out. They will have to use the vast majority of picks on offense and will have to hit on a lot of them. If they don't they will fail. I know you already think they have failed but this is how I see the offseason going. I agree. We won't be able to sign any quality free agents, particularly on offense. Simply put no one is moving to Buffalo to join the worst offense in NFL history unless we over them significantly more money than anyone else is offering. I see them going after one or two second tier guys, and several third/four tier guys to improve their depth and fill specific holes. They'll probably add an interior linemen who can start at one of the guard spots, and I think they'll sign a decent #3 type receiver (the WR class is really weak this year). Other than that I think they try to fill their offensive holes in the draft, adding a WR, OL and RB in the first three rounds. On defense they'll continue to bring in guys like they have in the past who fit our specific Cover 2 scheme. 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Nonsense. 90 mil and 10 draft picks net 8-10 maybe up to 14 new starters without cap hell. Sometimes up and comers or guys wanting out of a bad system or some other players shadow are happy to join a rebuild. Especially if they belive in the direction, philosophy or young talent. If if they need to over pay one or two guys a little, so be it. Top 3 dead cap contributors ($30 million of the 56) were drafted as Bills not free agent acquisitions. 7 of our 10 draft picks are on day 3 of the draft. Expecting 8-14 new starters considering who is going to be available in free agency and what draft picks we actually have to use is a crazy expectation unless the Bills trade down in the 1st and 2nd rounds. I'd guess we sign two middle of the road free agents (OG, WR), and use early draft picks at WR, OG and RB. The rest of our picks will likely be guys who fill in as depth early on. I think we can count on having about 5 new starters on offense, with maybe 2-3 more guys who contribute in a less significant role. Expecting double digit new starters isn't going to happen unless we spend like a bunch of drunken sailors in free agency. 1
nedboy7 Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: And expressing it 100 times in every thread doesn't make it any more legitimate than the opinion of anyone else Well then stop posting. Dude. Lighten up. It’s the crappy Bills. Edited November 6, 2018 by nedboy7
ColoradoBills Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I agree. We won't be able to sign any quality free agents, particularly on offense. Simply put no one is moving to Buffalo to join the worst offense in NFL history unless we over them significantly more money than anyone else is offering. I see them going after one or two second tier guys, and several third/four tier guys to improve their depth and fill specific holes. They'll probably add an interior linemen who can start at one of the guard spots, and I think they'll sign a decent #3 type receiver (the WR class is really weak this year). Other than that I think they try to fill their offensive holes in the draft, adding a WR, OL and RB in the first three rounds. On defense they'll continue to bring in guys like they have in the past who fit our specific Cover 2 scheme. I see that number higher. I see a bunch of guys making 5-7 million or so a year being pursued. I'm not saying Beane and McDermott will work themselves out of this offensive hole. I am saying they could do it. Josh Allen's success will be key and that jury is still out.
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