row_33 Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 14 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Now your just crying i'm just laughing now, crying isn't an option for this level of decrepitude, the team obviously cares less than we do here's to hope for a very good draft in the offseason
BillsFan1988 Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: You must not have been around the previous 17 seasons. Ive been around for 30 plus never seen a Bills team this bad.
BigBuff423 Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: He made the playoffs with an offensive line that was functional, if not great. Two quality OL starters departed and were replaced by Bodine and Newhouse et al, aka meh. He also made the playoffs with little in the way of wideouts. That's to his credit. But the receiver equation hasn't improved. The deficiencies on the OL, receiver, and elsewhere are on Beane. Why are so many roasting the coach because of our personnel deficiencies? He's done and is doing the best he can with what he's been given. With respect to assistant coaches, that, however, is on him. I think they're in these decisions together, but personally I don't look at almost anything this year except for Defense, specifically their selected players, and Allen. Everything on Offense is otherwise almost near impossible to evaluate until next year when Beane and McD can bring in quality FAs and Draft more players that fit their design. FWIW, their Draft picks are doing their part....it's mostly the other players held over from Whaley and the guys they basically just had no choice but to bring in, ala Newhouse, Bodine, etc.
Jrb1979 Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 1 minute ago, BigBuff423 said: I think they're in these decisions together, but personally I don't look at almost anything this year except for Defense, specifically their selected players, and Allen. Everything on Offense is otherwise almost near impossible to evaluate until next year when Beane and McD can bring in quality FAs and Draft more players that fit their design. FWIW, their Draft picks are doing their part....it's mostly the other players held over from Whaley and the guys they basically just had no choice but to bring in, ala Newhouse, Bodine, etc. The problem is there is no great options at WR in FA this year. Golden Tate is about the only one and I doubt he leaves the Eagles.
BigBuff423 Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: So they couldn't ask them to tank last year, but they can ask them to do it this year? This is the part of the equation that doesn't add up for me. McDermott hates losing. I think they made the most of their situation last year, and legitimately thought they'd be better this year. I think that they thought getting rid of Tyrod would be an upgrade at QB, that the OL would gel, that a healthy Benjamin and a 2nd year Zay Jones would be fine at WR, and that the running game would be solid like a year ago. I honestly think that they brought back Kyle Williams, and Lorax, because they thought they'd be better this year. I don't think there's any chance that behind close doors they expected this team to take the step backwards that we've seen. I'm not saying they're asking them to tank, I think the hard truth is that they're trying but can only do so much. As for KB, yup, he wasn't great last year but I don't know that anyone saw this lackluster interest in playing for this year - a contract year. Also, they didn't give him an extension, I think that means they wanted his services for the year and let him do an extended "try out" before giving him a new contract, if that was even in the discussions. Getting rid of Tyrod was less about this year and I think we can all agree, it was about getting the QB of the future while getting some trade value out of TT that was used to get their MLB of the future. Zay has been developing nicely, albeit slower than hoped but with the QB situation, can we really blame him entirely? They said they want to win now and in the future, but I really don't think much of anyone could argue that it was *less* about winning now than it is about the future, i.e. 2019 and beyond.
BillsFan1988 Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 2 hours ago, jrober38 said: Don't we have a bunch of cap space and 10 draft picks? How are McDermott and Beane going to convince any free agents to want to come here? This message deserves an award. How's Mr McClappy gonna talk offense with these perspective free agents. Whats his selling point ?
BigBuff423 Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 1 hour ago, BillsFan1988 said: First of all u dont know me . U dont know what kind of fan i am . Im not about to start telling u what kind of fan u are either. The problem is we are still not relevant. We haven't been relevant for nearly 20yrs. Lets see now u said we are #1 Not Patient- well after nearly 20yrs i don't know how much patience i have left. #2 No Vision - i beg to differ on this one. I was never sold on McBeane from the get go. I never joined the process . Actually i predicted a horrible season this yr and i dont think these guys will ever build this team into a real contender. My vision is basically 20/20 with these guys. My vision is incredible i have begged this team for over 20yrs to draft players i have scouted its a hobby and a passion of mine to scout players and i would do it much better then these fools we got running our team. Im not gonna start a list of players i loved in the draft threwout all these yrs but ill tell u this i thought Mahomes was gonna be great and i got Allen being a bust. #3 - Not positive - well this one was sucked out of me over the yrs by this team. I used to be the kind of fan they gave this team the benefit of not anymore not after all the hell they put us threw. I didn't say I knew you, but fans clamored for the playoffs and now they want more in the second year when it's a rebuild. Not patient...patience does run out over time, it gets re-set with each new change. So, if you've run out of patience, then your issue is with the organization and not with McD or Beane. Fair enough, but that doesn't account for giving Beane and McD the time to do their job. No vision - you've admitted you didn't buy in from the beginning, so I'm not sure how we disagree when you've admitted you don't believe in what they're doing. Not positive - see the patience comment...positive is easy when things go well, it's when the poop storm dumps all over you and remain focused on the outcome rather than the stench. I empathize with your frustration, we just disagree with the points of fact.
Wayne Arnold Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 15 minutes ago, BillsFan1988 said: Ive been around for 30 plus never seen a Bills team this bad. I’m going to go ahead and call bullspit on this one.
BillsFan1988 Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said: I’m going to go ahead and call bullspit on this one. Really. This team is on track to be outscored by 300 pts. It cant get worse then that. 1
BigBuff423 Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: The problem is there is no great options at WR in FA this year. Golden Tate is about the only one and I doubt he leaves the Eagles. Agreed that the available pool of FA WRs isn't deep, but there are some decent names that the Bills would need to overpay to have on the team. Which is why I was down with trading a high pick for a WR who had a year left on their contract, like Cooper, because he's only 24 and you know he can be a #1. That said, I think the Bills cut bait with KB, Holmes and bring a couple guys like Randall Cobb or Tyrell Williams or Quincy Enunwa if any of them make it to FA and use a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a good boundary WR. They could also trade for one, like Hughes for (insert name here) because the Draft is deep at DE / DT. Point being there will be options between money to burn and Draft picks, I think they get much better WRs in the building. Here's the link to some FA WRs scheduled for 2019 Off-season but we also know many of them will be signed by their team: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/wide-receiver/ Edit: I should also add, if Pryor likes Buffalo and the Bills see him as a good fit, they could bring him back on a 2 year deal. Edited November 6, 2018 by BigBuff423
CommonCents Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 Just now, BigBuff423 said: Agreed that the available pool of FA WRs isn't deep, but there are some decent names that the Bills would need to overpay to have on the team. Which is why I was down with trading a high pick for a WR who had a year left on their contract, like Cooper, because he's only 24 and you know he can be a #1. That said, I think the Bills cut bait with KB, Holmes and bring a couple guys like Randall Cobb or Tyrell Williams or Quincy Enunwa if any of them make it to FA and use a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a good boundary WR. They could also trade for one, like Hughes for (insert name here) because the Draft is deep at DE / DT. Point being there will be options between money to burn and Draft picks, I think they get much better WRs in the building. Here's the link to some FA WRs scheduled for 2019 Off-season but we also know many of them will be signed by their team: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/wide-receiver/ Cobb is toast. I wouldn’t mind Ty Williams but I think he stays with the Chargers.
sleeby Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: http://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/32553/stat-by-stat-bills-offense-inching-toward-nfl-infamy Disaster porn. Nothing to see here.
jkirchofer Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 3 hours ago, BigBuff423 said: You mean the same HC that gave this franchise it's first playoff birth in nearly two decades just last year??? And yes, they needed help, but when it's every other team in the NFL who makes it into the playoffs - via Wildcard - they're not torn down the same way this fan base does it with the Bills. Fact is, they still needed to win games to put themselves in a position to be in the playoffs, external help be damned. And for those who presume a rebuild occurs in two years is either 1. 10 years old 2. older, but similar maturity. This offense is statistically worse than both the 1-15 and 0-16 Browns. We are allowed to criticize this coaching staff and front office. The NFL is a win now league. It is a "what have you done for me this season" league. And for those that presume that a rebuild must be accompanied by arguably the worst offense in NFL history is either 1. 10 years old 2. older, but similar maturity. 1
ColoradoBills Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 19 minutes ago, BillsFan1988 said: This message deserves an award. How's Mr McClappy gonna talk offense with these perspective free agents. Whats his selling point ? "We think you are a great football player and want you to help turn around our offense..........here is your check".
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 3 hours ago, jrober38 said: I hope our franchise isn't as inept as Cleveland. Watch ... Bruce Arians will be hired there and he will be the QB whisperer for Mayfield, while we have a mediocre WR coach to mentor our prized rook
Spiderweb Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 3 hours ago, wppete said: This season has been depressing. Possible the worst I have ever seen. Anyone remember a season that has been worse recently? Us long time fans can recall a number of bleak seasons. My first one was in 1968 as a young lad.. 1
jkirchofer Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 1 minute ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: Watch ... Bruce Arians will be hired there and he will be the QB whisperer for Mayfield, while we have a mediocre WR coach to mentor our prized rook It is amazing to me that McDermott could not find a single QB coach with actual experience coaching QBs this decade, or even last decade for that matter.
BigBuff423 Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, jkirchofer said: This offense is statistically worse than both the 1-15 and 0-16 Browns. We are allowed to criticize this coaching staff and front office. The NFL is a win now league. It is a "what have you done for me this season" league. And for those that presume that a rebuild must be accompanied by arguably the worst offense in NFL history is either 1. 10 years old 2. older, but similar maturity. Twisting words 101...well done, you aced it. Now for the advanced class of Buffoonery 201 where I'm sure you'll find others like-minded and follow the sheep led by ESPN et. al.
CodeMonkey Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: "We think you are a great football player and want you to help turn around our offense..........here is your check". The problem with this is, there are plenty of places they can get a check that aren't currently a complete dumpster fire. 1
jkirchofer Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 1 minute ago, BigBuff423 said: Twisting words 101...well done, you aced it. Now for the advanced class of Buffoonery 201 where I'm sure you'll find others like-minded and follow the sheep led by ESPN et. al. Glad you have a monopoly on being a Bills fan. You must also be quite the NFL analyst. Tell me...how's that working out for you?
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