26CornerBlitz Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 19 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: The ball was also tipped at the line. So the pass could have been 20 yards down the field and it still wouldn’t have been pass interference. We’re all missing the point though - which is that God obviously hates Nathan Peterman. The ball is tipped up in the air by Zay’s forearm...just high enough for a roaming defender with a free lane to the end zone to easily pluck it and run in for the Pick 6 untouched. As bad as Peterman may be, it is truly mind-boggling how snakebit he is. It was not.
Nuncha Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 Pass shouldn't have been thrown to Zay as the defender was right on him....and why the hell are they running a 1 yard route on 3rd and 3 in the first place?
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 40 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: The ball was also tipped at the line. So the pass could have been 20 yards down the field and it still wouldn’t have been pass interference. We’re all missing the point though - which is that God obviously hates Nathan Peterman. The ball is tipped up in the air by Zay’s forearm...just high enough for a roaming defender with a free lane to the end zone to easily pluck it and run in for the Pick 6 untouched. As bad as Peterman may be, it is truly mind-boggling how snakebit he is. I watched the replay when they said it was tipped. I didn't see that.
Wayne Arnold Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 21 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It was not. 1. That’s what the refs told McDermott 2. Looked like it on the replay
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 As to the 5 yard rule, pushing and holding as you run with a player is one thing, but a blindside hit is another imo.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 Just now, Wayne Arnold said: 1. That’s what the refs told McDermott 2. Looked like it on the replay No the refs told him that the contact occurred within 1 yard of the LoS and therefore no PI. 49 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It's a 100% legal play by the defense as already discussed in the other thread on this subject.
Wayne Arnold Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: No the refs told him that the contact occurred within 1 yard of the LoS and therefore no PI. Youre right. I misheard him on my way home from the game. Thanks. 1
Boatdrinks Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Success said: Side note, but I hate that the national narrative is that this was another multi pick game for Peterman. Seriously, how does he prevent this one, or the one where Pryor scoops it right into the defender’s hands? Don’t throw it. It’s just a stupid play, and an NFL QB should go elsewhere with the ball. Peterman is shook, plain and simple. He plays scared and isn’t an NFL caliber player.
NWPABillsfan Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 I know the rule, don"t agree with it but I know it. Why throw a 1 yard pass when we needed 3 yards for a first down, But what kicks my butt the most is look at the stills why are the lineman 4 yards pushed back into Peterman face. What ever happen to holding the line of scrimmage.
Real McClappy Posted November 6, 2018 Author Posted November 6, 2018 21 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: No the refs told him that the contact occurred within 1 yard of the LoS and therefore no PI. This is understood and not what I'm trying to get at here in this thread. What about a PF for defenseless WR in a league that is supposed to be trying to protect it's players? We can talk about it being a bad play call all day by Daboll being short of the sticks but that doesn't change the fact that Zay was blown up from behind that lead to a pick 6. If this is acceptable, defensive cord strategy and DB coverage in the NFL should change all together to take advantage of it? Just knock the piss out of WR's and TE's at the LOS all game.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 Just now, Real McCoy said: This is understood and not what I'm trying to get at here in this thread. What about a PF for defenseless WR in a league that is supposed to be trying to protect it's players? We can talk about it being a bad play call all day by Daboll being short of the sticks but that doesn't change the fact that Zay was blown up from behind that lead to a pick 6. If this is acceptable, defensive cord strategy and DB coverage in the NFL should change all together to take advantage of it? Just knock the piss out of WR's and TE's at the LOS all game. The DB drove on the ball to make a play. 100% legal with no contact to the head.
Jay_Fixit Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: It’s always a good idea to run a 1 yard hitch on 3rd and 3. And the sad part is Chicago was ready for it. 2
Talonz Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The DB drove on the ball to make a play. 100% legal with no contact to the head. I still don't understand. If it wasn't tipped or fumbled how can a defender be allowed to plow over a WR while the ball is in the air. It doesn't make sense...Sorry.. 1
26CornerBlitz Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Talonz said: I still don't understand. If it wasn't tipped or fumbled how can a defender be allowed to plow over a WR while the ball is in the air. It doesn't make sense...Sorry.. It's no different than a WR rubbing out or picking off a DB within the same area. It's all fair game under the rules. Edited November 6, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz
Not at the table Karlos Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: The NFL is interesting. Every year we see a call that just doesn’t seem right. This is one of them. I don’t believe the rules committee intended this particular rule to be applied as it was on this play and I’m hoping that the Bills bring it up if and when they have the chance. This is clearly pass interference. It wasn’t a rub route or a pick play. The frozen picture shows that the two players were nowhere near any other players so the fact that it was within a yard of the scrimmage line should be ruled irrelevant. Watch the entire play. They did run a pick play that's why he was a yard from the los, it just didn't work very well and the corner read it like a book. Also ball was tipped. The call was fine and I complain about the refs more than anyone. Edited November 6, 2018 by Not at the table Karlos
26CornerBlitz Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Watch the entire play. They did run a pick play that's why he was a yard from the los, it just didn't work very well and the corner read it like a book. Also ball was tipped. The call was fine and I complain about the refs more than anyone. It was not tipped and wasn't part of the consideration made by the officials on the field or in the official NFL explanation video.
thebandit27 Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I was screaming PI by the defense. He hit him too early. it maybe. but that doesn't nullify the early hit. All turnovers must be reviewed by the NFL. No offense, but it doesn't matter No action within 1 yard of the LOS (or behind it) will be considered either defensive holding or PI
Shaw66 Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: This is understood and not what I'm trying to get at here in this thread. What about a PF for defenseless WR in a league that is supposed to be trying to protect it's players? We can talk about it being a bad play call all day by Daboll being short of the sticks but that doesn't change the fact that Zay was blown up from behind that lead to a pick 6. If this is acceptable, defensive cord strategy and DB coverage in the NFL should change all together to take advantage of it? Just knock the piss out of WR's and TE's at the LOS all game. I think you're technically correct but practically wrong. If that play happens downfield, and if the hit occurs at the instant the ball arrives at Zay's hands, they call a personal foul for the hit above the head on a defenseless receiver. I don't know, but I think that rule applies all over the field - there's no exception within a yard of the line of scrimmage. It's a player safety rule, so I expect it applies all over the field. So I'd guess that, technically, they missed the call. Looking at the replays and the stills, it's kind of surprising that Jones didn't get a concussion on that play. But as a practical matter, I think you're not going to see that called. The Bills were trying to pick the defender, but the Bears played it perfectly and avoided the pick. The pick would have been legal, because the offensive guy setting the pick also was within a yard of the line of scrimmage. The result of the rules and how those pick plays work is that there's a lot of contact within that one-yard zone, and I think as a practical matter, the officials have come to view it as something of a no-man's land as far as contact goes. They're going to call an intentional punch, they're going to call a face mask, and they're going to call a horse collar, but they aren't going to call penalties that just involve contact. I've never heard anyone say that, and I don't think there's a rule about it, I just think that's what was going on on that play. I was in the broadcast booth with Nantz and SIms in New York when the Bills with Fitz and Stevie lost to the Giants. On third and five the Bills faked to Freddie, who ran through the line and turned for about a four-yard pass. Some defender tackled him clearly before the ball arrived. No PI call. The Bills punted, they went to commercial, Nantz turned to Sims and asked "Wasn't that pass interference?" Sims said "they don't call it on running backs." Just like that. Sims admitted that by the rule, it was PI, but the by understanding of everyone it doesn't get called. Now, I think what he really meant is if you fake a handoff to your running back, it's fair game to tackle him, without the ball, anytime within about 10 yards after the fake, but still it was an obvious PI. No interference, Freddie catches it and has a first down. Or call the penalty and the Bills have a first down. The point is, that are penalties that by custom and practice aren't called. The hit to Zay's head in that situation is one of them. 1
Not at the table Karlos Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 14 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It was not tipped and wasn't part of the consideration made by the officials on the field or in the official NFL explanation video. Yes it was. The ball hit the line man's hand. They showed a close up of it. Didn't change the flight of the ball much but it Def hit the hand
26CornerBlitz Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Yes it was. The ball hit the line man's hand. They showed a close up of it. Didn't change the flight of the ball much but it Def hit the hand You can claim that all you'd like. I watched it over again. A tipped ball would have negated all of the talk about contact within 1 yard of the LoS. The officials never discussed a tipped pass because it wasn't.
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