ExiledInIllinois Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, westside said: Can someone explain to me the grounds on which they plan on impeaching Trump? As far as I know, he hasn't broken any laws. Remember, impeachment has always been part of The Process®. The Constitutional Process. It's NOT just your vote. Our vote can be questioned. Congressional Districts, Constitutionally are more "dialed in" than say: Electoral College>Popular Vote & then...( >Congressional Districts.) No laws need to be broken. I know it's the HuffPost... But please read. It's pretty straightforward: https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c15302ee4b05d7e5d827572/amp?ncid=NEWSSTAND0001 Glean the X's & O's, if nothing else: "...It’s Not A Criminal Prosecution First off, the president doesn’t need to have violated a federal law ― or any other law ― for the House to file impeachment charges and for the Senate to convict him. This has been further confused by ongoing media discussion about whether a sitting president can be indicted while in office, something about which there is considerable debate among legal scholars, because the Constitution doesn’t address it. The Justice Department has issued several memorandums on the subject over a period of decades, including the last one almost 20 years ago, which concluded that a sitting president cannot be indicted because it would “unconstitutionally undermine the capacity of the executive branch.” Incoming House intelligence committee Chairman Adam Schiff recently said he believes it is constitutional to indict a sitting president and that the Justice Department should “re-examine” its guidance. (Ultimately, it might take the Supreme Court to decide.)..." "...But again, criminal charges are a separate matter from impeachment. Presidents can be impeached for actions that are in fact a violation of the law, though it doesn’t mean they always should be impeached in those instances. And they can also be impeached because they’re believed to have abused their power, even if a criminal charge doesn’t apply. It’s up to Congress to decide what rises to an impeachable offense, defined by a term in the Constitution, “high crimes and misdemeanors,” that has always been up for grabs. It’s Up To Congress So, President Bill Clinton was impeached by the GOP-controlled House on two charges: perjury (lying to the FBI) and obstruction of justice. Both are also violations of U.S. law, but because the charges surrounded his lying about a private sexual matter, the Senate failed to meet the two-thirds threshold required to convict him on the charges and remove him from office. As Gerhardt notes, a substantial number of senators later explained their not-guilty vote by saying that the actions didn’t rise to an impeachable offense — punishment for which can only be removal from office, nothing less — and many pointed to the partisan agenda of House Republicans. Conversely, impeachment charges can be brought for actions that aren’t illegal. President Richard Nixon resigned before he could be impeached, after the House Judiciary Committee had drawn up articles of impeachment. One of those articles charged that Nixon ordered the FBI and the IRS to torment his political enemies. A president directing the heads of agencies to take various actions is not illegal, but ― like Trump calling for investigations of his political enemies ― it was certainly an abuse of power, which the House Judiciary Committee at the time believed to be an impeachable offense..." Edited January 4, 2019 by ExiledInIllinois 1
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: They'll do it on the grounds that their mindless base wants them to.That's all. And they want them to do it because they literally -- and by literally, I mean LITERALLY -- have no plan, no message, no ANYTHING beyond a misguided belief that the only reason Hillary lost is because America wasn't smart enough to elect her. ^^^DDS^^^ Democrat Derangement Syndrone. The majority of Congressional Districts elected these Congress Critters. That mindless base is still the majority in the country. Trust The Process® Timmy: ^^^LABillzFan^^^ Edited January 4, 2019 by ExiledInIllinois
Tiberius Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 For the record, so far: Obstruction of justice on multiple fronts Conspiring with Russia to interfere with the election His corruption which is now coming into full view on multiple fronts Campaign finance violations And possibly (come on, most very likely) many more things in the Mueller investigation.
Deranged Rhino Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: For the record, so far: Obstruction of justice on multiple fronts Conspiring with Russia to interfere with the election His corruption which is now coming into full view on multiple fronts Campaign finance violations And possibly (come on, most very likely) many more things in the Mueller investigation. There's zero evidence for any of those charges in the public domain to date. Not a one. 1
Koko78 Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 7 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: They have none, but since his impeachment is politically motivated, the Dems think they have a winner here. The Senate is not convicting (I wonder if they'd even vote on it?) so this truly is a political stunt (and a real mockery of the House's power and the severity of the impeachment process). SMH Apparently, they did not learn from the Republican disaster of impeaching Clinton. The Senate would have to take up the matter through trial and removal vote; I don't believe they would have a choice under current interpretations of the Constitution if the House passes Articles of Impeachment. And no, they didn't learn from the Clinton debacle. They're morons. 1
B-Man Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: There's zero evidence for any of those charges in the public domain to date. Not a one. SIFT (size increased for Truth) 1
Koko78 Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: There's zero evidence for any of those charges in the public domain to date. Not a one. He beat Hillary, he MUST be guilty of all of that! Who needs more evidence than the 2016 election?!? It was HER turn, dammit! 1
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: For the record, so far: Obstruction of justice on multiple fronts Conspiring with Russia to interfere with the election His corruption which is now coming into full view on multiple fronts Campaign finance violations And possibly (come on, most very likely) many more things in the Mueller investigation. ~Abuse of power. Trump harassing his political enemies. Nixon caught Red-handed (pun intended w/Trump)... Had honor to resign. Ford pardoned Nixon. Trump is painted into corner. He's the bomb, the ticket. Because if HE left office He would be criminally indicted! Edited January 4, 2019 by ExiledInIllinois
Tiberius Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said: ~Abuse of power. Trump harassing his political enemies. Nixon caught Red-handed (pun intended w/Trump)... Had honor to resign. Ford pardoned Nixon. Trump is painted into corner. He's the bomb, the ticket. Because if HE left office He would be criminally indicted! Yup, a cornered dog
Doc Brown Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, Koko78 said: The Senate would have to take up the matter through trial and removal vote; I don't believe they would have a choice under current interpretations of the Constitution if the House passes Articles of Impeachment. And no, they didn't learn from the Clinton debacle. They're morons. Republicans controlled all three branches of government two years later.
Deranged Rhino Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Oh, there's evidence, lots of it. Such as?
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Koko78 said: He beat Hillary, he MUST be guilty of all of that! Who needs more evidence than the 2016 election?!? It was HER turn, dammit! Timmy, is that You???
Deranged Rhino Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: ~Abuse of power. Trump harassing his political enemies. Nixon caught Red-handed (pun intended w/Trump)... Had honor to resign. Ford pardoned Nixon. Trump is painted into corner. He's the bomb, the ticket. Because if HE left office He would be criminally indicted! Zero evidence for any of this as well. But that's to be expected from this source.
Tiberius Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Such as? Been posted many times 1
Deranged Rhino Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, Tiberius said: Been posted many times And none of it is evidence as it's been debunked many more times.
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Yup, a cornered dog Or so eloquently put... A Mutha...Phu...er 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: And none of it is evidence as it's been debunked many more times. "A president directing the heads of agencies to take various actions is not illegal, but ― like Trump calling for investigations of his political enemies ― it was certainly an abuse of power, which the House Judiciary Committee at the time believed to be an impeachable offense."* But... On other fronts: "A Laundry List Of Charges: Even if Trump isn’t shown to have conspired with Russia on election interference, his repeated lies to the American people about his connections to the Kremlin while he worked with Russia on a personal business project, the Trump Tower Moscow, well into the campaign, could rightly be viewed as an impeachable offense. And even before the Cohen filings made the timeline of that deal clear, Trump’s calls for better relations with the Russian government, including lifting sanctions and changing American policy in Ukraine, could be viewed as an impeachable case of putting his own selfish interests before the United States."* *Source: Previous posts above.
Koko78 Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Republicans controlled all three branches of government two years later. Gore lost because the dumbass didn't run as Clinton's third term. Clinton's approval numbers skyrocketed (relatively speaking) after the impeachment debacle.
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Been posted many times I think they (the righties here, AKA: "The Timmy's) are having a hard time with reading comprehension. They simple are living in their "Timmy Bubble" NOT fully understanding the power built into the U.S. Constitution to handle dangerous, authoritative demagogues. We fought a Revolution to remove a King... NOT to brings one back!
Deranged Rhino Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, ExiledInIllinois said: I think they (the righties here, AKA: "The Timmy's) are having a hard time with reading comprehension. They simple are living in their "Timmy Bubble" NOT fully understanding the power built into the U.S. Constitution to handle dangerous, authoritative demagogues. We fought a Revolution to remove a King... NOT to brings one back! And yet you're supporting a side - without evidence - that abused the powers of state to spy on its political enemies in an effort to subvert the legally elected POTUS because they didn't like him. You're full of ***** on so many levels it's amazing you don't see everything in a permanent brown tint.
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