Alphadawg7 Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, jrober38 said: It's unbelievable how people can proclaim that the coach won't be fired this year under any circumstances. What if we finish 2-14 and are playing to half empty stadiums in December? What if Allen shows zero signs of improvement after he comes back? This team is a complete dumpster fire right now. Saying there definitively won't be changes in week 9 of an abysmal season where you might set the franchise record for fewest points scored doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The fact you say this just proves you have no clue about the reality of this team. This is NOT what they built, nothing they did was about THIS year.
kevnallen Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 Except for the Vikings game, this season has been brutal for the offense. I do think that the defense is in good shape. I believe that McD, McB and Daboll should be given one more year to to get the offense on track. It will probably take more than one year to completely rebuild the offensive line, given that 4 starters probably need to be replaced, but hopefully the o-line can improve enough to protect Allen. I think Allen has the potential to be a franchise QB, but we won't know until the o-line and WRs improve. So, if Allen turns out to be a franchise QB and the offense improves next year, I'm good. This year is on McB in my opinion. He either over estimated the o-line and WR talent or was willing to tank this year. Rebooting every two years won't work.
Bad Things Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, 2003Contenders said: I agree with you. Additionally, I would like for the Pegulas to do what they were originally reported to be doing when they took over a few years ago -- that is bring in an experienced and impartial guru as an "aid" to the existing front office. Now that the offense has completely bottomed out, someone who knows what the hell they are doing needs to come in here as an architect to help set a solid foundation. I know what you're saying, but isn't that the GM's job? I fear that any "Football Czar" coming in would only create divisions within management. No need for more chiefs. 1
TheFunPolice Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 I'm less worried about the current offense and more worried that the head coach has an outdated and ineffective philosophy on offense in a league where you need 30 points to beat the best teams. What's the goal? Is it to slip in as a wild card or to win a title?
Wayne Arnold Posted November 5, 2018 Author Posted November 5, 2018 34 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: It scares me when the coach comes out and says that he believes you win in Buffalo by playing field position and pounding the rock. IMO I believe they drafted Allen cause he is a mobile QB like Tyrod but a higher ceiling. They want a QB that doesn't take chances and doesn't turn the ball over like Tyrod. You need explosive offense to win. If Allen comes back they should be running an offense like that. The season is lost anyways, atleast see if Allen can make those kind of throws. Allen was the biggest gunslinger and risk taker in college football. Your theory couldn’t be more abundantly off the mark. And this is where the “McDermott is too conservative for 2018!” argument goes off the rails. Tyrod is a conservative coach’s dream: never attempts a throw that may result in a turnover. If McDermott were as backwards and conservative as many here claim, he would have NEVER let Tyrod go.
TheFunPolice Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 That said, they seem adept at finding defensive players so they can't be totally unable to find offensive players... Right?
jrober38 Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: The fact you say this just proves you have no clue about the reality of this team. This is NOT what they built, nothing they did was about THIS year. This is 100% what they built. They traded for their two starting receivers, giving up a 3rd for Benjamin and a 2nd for Jones. Both of which are terrible. They opted to not upgrade the OL, trading away Cordy Glenn, and signing a bunch of scrubs to fill our the depth chart even though they had plenty of time to plan for life after Glenn, Incognito and Wood. They got rid of the 2017 starting QB, and went into the summer with their guys. Peterman, McCarron and Allen were hand picked as their guys and I'd guarantee they expected that group to perform better than Taylor did last year. This is McDermott's offense. He got rid of all of Whaley's guys, and brought in his own guys who fit the culture he wants. Unfortunately none of them are quality football players. Edited November 5, 2018 by jrober38
LSHMEAB Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said: Allen was the biggest gunslinger and risk taker in college football. Your theory couldn’t be more abundantly off the mark. Gunslinger? He threw for 1800 yards in 11 games his last season at Wyoming. Maybe he was firing blanks.
TheFunPolice Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said: Allen was the biggest gunslinger and risk taker in college football. Your theory couldn’t be more abundantly off the mark. And this is where the “McDermott is too conservative for 2018!” argument goes off the rails. Tyrod is a conservative coach’s dream: never attempts a throw that may result in a turnover. If McDermott were as backwards and conservative as many here claim, he would have NEVER let Tyrod go. This does give me hope... Tyrod seems like the dream QB for a guy like McDermott... Jauron probably sits around and dreams of what might have been had his path crossed Tyrods in Buffalo.... Yet McDermott benched Tyrod then traded him... So there must be some hope
Alphadawg7 Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: This is 100% what they built. They traded for their two starting receivers, giving up a 3rd for Benjamin and a 2nd for Jones. Both of which are terrible. They opted to not upgrade the OL, trading away Cordy Glenn, and signing a bunch of scrubs to fill our the depth chart even though they had plenty of time to plan for life after Glenn, Incognito and Wood. They got rid of the 2017 starting QB, and went into the summer with their guys. Peterman, McCarron and Allen were hand picked as their guys and I'd guarantee they expected that group to perform better than Taylor did last year. This is McDermott's offense. He got rid of all of Whaley's guys, and brought in his own guys who fit the culture he wants. Unfortunately none of them are quality football players. You are categorically wrong. You are so off base and illogical about this that I am not even going to comment any further.
Jrb1979 Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said: Allen was the biggest gunslinger and risk taker in college football. Your theory couldn’t be more abundantly off the mark. And this is where the “McDermott is too conservative for 2018!” argument goes off the rails. Tyrod is a conservative coach’s dream: never attempts a throw that may result in a turnover. If McDermott were as backwards and conservative as many here claim, he would have NEVER let Tyrod go. If what you say is true then they should have let Allen play that way when he started. Instead they went to a conservative game plan. His best game was against the Vikings where he was alowed to sling it all over the field. When he does come back let him sling it all over the field and see what he can do. My fear is they will continue with the conservative pound the rock game plan.
Elite Poster Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 24 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Normal person: That was an error and a big red mark on your record. If you repeat the same mistake it may be a fireable offense depending on the rest of your evaluation. Bills fan: FIREFIREFIREFIREFIREFIREFIREFIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So we are going to sit here and act like they didn't start Peterpickerman last year? And then again this year game 1? And then didn't replace him and he vommitted all over himself again vs the Texans? Yesterday was out of their hands, but he is still employed.
billsbackto81 Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Elite Poster said: Should we hang a banner for losing in the wildcard round? Raise the damn standard for the teams in this city (and that starts with us). It was a historic 17 year hiatus. Banner? Shoot! They should have rings made up.
Elite Poster Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 23 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: you are not elite So you want to hang a banner for a wildcard loss? I remember when this fan base was PISSED for not winning Superbowls...
Dablitzkrieg Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 Just now, Elite Poster said: So you want to hang a banner for a wildcard loss? I remember when this fan base was PISSED for not winning Superbowls... No, I just want the season to be over
Ronin Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, PeterDude said: If Allen is all that matters, it's very unfortunate he's a likely bust. McBeane's futures in Buffalo are single-handedly tied ot Allen. As a reminder, Allen was the costliest QB in this past Draft, he essentially cost us four day 1 & 2 picks considering that we could have taken Edmunds with the 12th overall, which would have been a wise decision, then take Rudolph who had far less risk late in round 3 and then wait til next year while using picks 22nd, 53rd, 56th, and 65th picks for OL & WR. But Allen was "their guy" that they thought selling the farm for was wise. There's zero possibility that their careers, here as well as as GM & HC elsewhere, are not directly tied to Allen. 1
Mojo44 Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: There won’t be any coaching changes after this season so save your breaths. The Franchise hasn’t even played these last three games so it’s hilarious to me how angry so many are. These games are meaningless at this point. Once we saw McCarron look worse than Peterman in the preseason and then traded, we should have all seen the writing on the wall: the offense was going to be atrocious. The only hope this team had of contending for a playoff spot in 2018 was for McCarron (or Peterman) to at least be as good as Taylor was last season. Maybe Beane gave up on McCarron too early and should’ve given him two or three starts at least before getting rid of him. Then again, they never would’ve received a 5th round pick at that point. And would McCarron suddenly have become good if given a start or two? I doubt it. No one expected the O to be this historically awful but what difference does it make? Bad is bad. You can cry all you want about how terrible the offense is but in the end, this is all about Josh Allen. He’s all that matters. Allen will come back after the bye and get some experience in a terrible offense. Beane will upgrade the offensive personnel during the off-season and we will see if Allen improves. If he doesn’t then McDermott and Beane will both be on a pretty hot seat. If we reach the end of the 2020 season and Allen stinks, then kiss these guys goodbye. As for right now, anyone calling for a GM or coaching change needs a grip on reality. This is far too rational and makes too much sense for most posters on this board, unfortunately
dakrider Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 The Bills offense has proven itself to be among the NFL's worst. I'm not sure how some on here could think a raw rookie quarterback could step right in and save it all. I'm not happy about Josh Allen's injury but I am happy he's been able to sit a few games and watch now. I hope he comes back after the bye and things get better but can't expect miracles with this offense.
Wayne Arnold Posted November 5, 2018 Author Posted November 5, 2018 21 minutes ago, jrober38 said: This is 100% what they built. They traded for their two starting receivers, giving up a 3rd for Benjamin and a 2nd for Jones. Both of which are terrible. They opted to not upgrade the OL, trading away Cordy Glenn, and signing a bunch of scrubs to fill our the depth chart even though they had plenty of time to plan for life after Glenn, Incognito and Wood. They got rid of the 2017 starting QB, and went into the summer with their guys. Peterman, McCarron and Allen were hand picked as their guys and I'd guarantee they expected that group to perform better than Taylor did last year. This is McDermott's offense. He got rid of all of Whaley's guys, and brought in his own guys who fit the culture he wants. Unfortunately none of them are quality football players. We’re barely though the first half of Year #1 in this offense. With three quarterbacks - two of which have no business being in the league, the other an extremely raw rookie. 25 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Gunslinger? He threw for 1800 yards in 11 games his last season at Wyoming. Maybe he was firing blanks. Stats!
Fadingpain Posted November 5, 2018 Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: So this regime has earned to 2020 based off what??? Blowout loss after blowout loss? They haven't. Only in the eyes of some delusional fans do they have until 2020. I suspect a lot of these posters are not Sabres fans and do not closely follow that team. If Pegula decides its time to end this experiment with McBeane, they'll be gone, and it will probably happen sooner than people think and at a time which surprises. These fans also don't like to objectively analyze who Josh Allen is. He will flame out and we are not going to see much progress into next season. At a certain point, everyone will lose patience, especially the fans. When next year really doesn't make anything better, McBeane will be gone and we'll be looking for a new QB. This regime doesn't even see the 2020 season, let alone the end of it. At this point, it's just a question of whether or not Pegula wants to proactively get out in front of this thing now or at season's end, or if he wants to burn another year. As to which he will do, I don't know. Edited November 5, 2018 by Fadingpain
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