Josh Allen is all that matters

[Elite Poster]

12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

My standard is whatever eventually works......

 

And since the past plans have netted 7 and 9 seasons....those were not it.....the bills are trying something new.   It is not a finished product

 

This is not new. I give you, the Buffalo Bills 6 step method for ruining a QB. 

 

Step 1. Draft/Sign QB. (✓)

Step 2. Pretend to develop him. (✓)

Step 3. Put him in an awful situation. (✓)

Step 4. Fail to acknowledge the error and stack the deck against him (✓ when he returns)

Step 5. Fire the coach (TBD after 2019)

Step 6. Find a new QB (TBD)

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't want everyone fired, but I don't see how this is much different. We have traded up nonstop in the draft, made boneheaded trades, and the only positive free agency addition was the safety tandem - a position that other teams have been hitting with late picks. The only thing they have done differently is save money instead of spend money and all we know so far is John Brown said HELL NAH to extra money. 

Edited November 5, 2018 by Elite Poster

[Jrb1979]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

One can make that argument I think.  They certainly have to address the offense in a big way this off season.  If they don't they'll deserve whatever criticism comes at them.

It scares me when the coach comes out and says that he believes you win in Buffalo by playing field position and pounding the rock. IMO I believe they drafted Allen cause he is a mobile QB like Tyrod but a higher ceiling. They want a QB that doesn't take chances and doesn't turn the ball over like Tyrod. You need explosive offense to win. If Allen comes back they should be running an offense like that. The season is lost anyways, atleast see if Allen can make those kind of throws. 

[Chris66]

8 minutes ago, TheBeane said:

 

Couldn't agree with this post more.  Is this a horrible season to be a bills fan?  OF COURSE!!!  But we should of, and some of us did, seen this coming. I'm almost certain that there were internal conversations within One Bills Drive that prepped all involved for this being a "bottoming out" season.  

 

Not for nothing, but I remember TONS of posters on this site for quite a few years claiming that we needed to hit rock bottom.  We had season after season of having a record between 7-9 to 9-7 and never completely bottomed out and had the chance to completely rebuild.  Well guess what... that's happening now!!

I have a feeling that McD's ceiling is going to be 7-9. Just dont think he has the philosophy for todays nfl

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

It scares me when the coach comes out and says that he believes you win in Buffalo by playing field position and pounding the rock. IMO I believe they drafted Allen cause he is a mobile QB like Tyrod but a higher ceiling. They want a QB that doesn't take chances and doesn't turn the ball over like Tyrod. You need explosive offense to win. If Allen comes back they should be running an offense like that. The season is lost anyways, atleast see if Allen can make those kind of throws. 

I think Daboll will open it up more when Allen returns.  As much as he can given the talent he has at the skill positions.

 

They know you have to have a QB to win in the league.  Beane said that going into the draft.  But as one who has watched Bills football since 1960, and I'm sure you have for quite a while as well, it is true that in November/December it helps to have a guy that can hum the ball at QB.  Look at our two most successful guys in history:  Kemp and Kelly.  Both could hum it when the winds blew.

[Wayne Arnold]

12 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Its more like if you are going to draft your QB at least give him some help. Instead McDermott believed they would be able to pound the rock and have Allen be a game manager. IMO they have gone about building this team backwards. This league is all about explosive offense with enough defense to make a couple of stops. Instead of spending their money on defense they should have helped Allen and the offense. 

 

The NFL is about playing to whatever your strengths are and finding ways to win. Not everyone has Brees or Brady or Rivers at QB, not everyone has the offensive weapons that Andy Reid and Sean McVay have the luxury to work with.

[Rc2catch]

Since it’s used so much as “mistakes” this regime has made, let’s use the Carolina connection. 

Once they got Cam and Kuechly the rest of the pieces fell into place. Other than mccafrey this year and Olsen they always have mid level talent surrounding most of those guys. Not blue chip prospects but mid round drafted talent. They are a threat to win the division and playoffs every year. They do that by drafting and developing mid level talent and signing low budget free agents mostly.

We can all agree I’m sure cam isn’t a very great quarterback and when Kuechly is out their defense is pretty trashy, but that’s the same blueprint these guys are using. 

Not sure why it’s not talked about more, stop looking at KC and the Rams that’s not what they’re trying to build. It could progress into that with a few major hits on receivers in the draft but from where I am sitting I see the same blueprint of roster building as Carolina. 

The nice take from that is our secondary is already built better than anything Carolina has put on the field for the most part. 

As others have said though all of these moves, all of these mistakes all fall on one player. Josh Allen. Like him or not your next 3-5 years of buffalo bills football/success revolve around what that kid can do. 

Personally I think Daboll has called some great games with the lack of talent. 

Receivers get schemed open, they drop the pass or the QB never sees them. 

They get a successful run, holding penalty to bring it back. 

You can call all the plays you want from home, but if the players can’t make the plays what’s the point? 

At one point he dummies down the playbook as much as possible and these dudes still can’t run it with success. What more can the guy do? Continue to coach up the young guys for next year and scout what talent is available to improve. 

If you wanna see all kinds of motions and great formations go watch KC, they have the weapons and talent to do those things. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

11 minutes ago, Chris66 said:

I have a feeling that McD's ceiling is going to be 7-9. Just dont think he has the philosophy for todays nfl

Interesting, so he installed a skylight in year 1? or...

[Success]

Spot on.  I don’t get why there is renewed anger each week.

 

We’re rebuilding and developing a rookie QB.  It’s unlikely to get prettier. 

 

[Wayne Arnold]

34 minutes ago, Elite Poster said:

 

Explain to me the context, logic, and reason of going into the season with the mentor and steady presence at QB being Nathan Peterman and I'll stop complaining about the ineptitude of the front office. 

 

Normal person: That was an error and a big red mark on your record. If you repeat the same mistake it may be a fireable offense depending on the rest of your evaluation.

 

Bills fan: FIREFIREFIREFIREFIREFIREFIREFIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dablitzkrieg]

1 hour ago, Elite Poster said:

 

Should we hang a banner for losing in the wildcard round?

 

Raise the damn standard for the teams in this city (and that starts with us). 

you are not elite

[jrober38]

It's unbelievable how people can proclaim that the coach won't be fired this year under any circumstances. 

 

What if we finish 2-14 and are playing to half empty stadiums in December?

 

What if Allen shows zero signs of improvement after he comes back?

 

This team is a complete dumpster fire right now. Saying there definitively won't be changes in week 9 of an abysmal season where you might set the franchise record for fewest points scored doesn't make any sense whatsoever. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said:

There won’t be any coaching changes after this season so save your breaths.

 

The Franchise hasn’t even played these last three games so it’s hilarious to me how angry so many are. These games are meaningless at this point.

 

Once we saw McCarron look worse than Peterman in the preseason and then traded, we should have all seen the writing on the wall: the offense was going to be atrocious.

 

The only hope this team had of contending for a playoff spot in 2018 was for McCarron (or Peterman) to at least be as good as Taylor was last season. Maybe Beane gave up on McCarron too early and should’ve given him two or three starts at least before getting rid of him. Then again, they never would’ve received a 5th round pick at that point. And would McCarron suddenly have become good if given a start or two? I doubt it.

 

No one expected the O to be this historically awful but what difference does it make? Bad is bad. You can cry all you want about how terrible the offense is but in the end, this is all about Josh Allen. He’s all that matters.

 

Allen will come back after the bye and get some experience in a terrible offense. Beane will upgrade the offensive personnel during the off-season and we will see if Allen improves. If he doesn’t then McDermott and Beane will both be on a pretty hot seat.

 

If we reach the end of the 2020 season and Allen stinks, then kiss these guys goodbye.

 

As for right now, anyone calling for a GM or coaching change needs a grip on reality.

 

thank you, I have made similar statements but people just want to be mad and can't see the obvious.

 

 

[Jerome007]

1 hour ago, The_Dude said:

Josh Allen is the most important thing. And McDumbass is not the guy to entrust Allen or the Bills future with. His offensive ineptitude is clear. 

That and the multiple blowouts should make McD uncomfortable. A losing season he gets a pass, 2019 is the test, but losing that badly, and seemingly not caring more about the offense are red flags indeed. Allen needs help to develop!

 

1 hour ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

yes, exactly! This season for me was 100% only to watch Josh Allen play every single snap and get as much experience as possible as he was a raw prospect and didn't see these defensive looks in the mountain west.

 

I do wish that Beane would have invested a little bit more in the offensive line and wide receivers as best as he could with our cap situation to give him a better chance to succeed but we all expected to be terrible this year so I don't understand the outrage. 

 

Next year is year 1 if the rebuild. This year was the last year of the teardown 

 

They better surround Allen with talent this offseason! Priority #1. Their success and Allen's are connected a lot so they better have a sense of mission doing so.

[Jrb1979]

1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said:

There won’t be any coaching changes after this season so save your breaths.

 

The Franchise hasn’t even played these last three games so it’s hilarious to me how angry so many are. These games are meaningless at this point.

 

Once we saw McCarron look worse than Peterman in the preseason and then traded, we should have all seen the writing on the wall: the offense was going to be atrocious.

 

The only hope this team had of contending for a playoff spot in 2018 was for McCarron (or Peterman) to at least be as good as Taylor was last season. Maybe Beane gave up on McCarron too early and should’ve given him two or three starts at least before getting rid of him. Then again, they never would’ve received a 5th round pick at that point. And would McCarron suddenly have become good if given a start or two? I doubt it.

 

No one expected the O to be this historically awful but what difference does it make? Bad is bad. You can cry all you want about how terrible the offense is but in the end, this is all about Josh Allen. He’s all that matters.

 

Allen will come back after the bye and get some experience in a terrible offense. Beane will upgrade the offensive personnel during the off-season and we will see if Allen improves. If he doesn’t then McDermott and Beane will both be on a pretty hot seat.

 

If we reach the end of the 2020 season and Allen stinks, then kiss these guys goodbye.

 

As for right now, anyone calling for a GM or coaching change needs a grip on reality.

Sorry you lost me at The Franchise. Right now he is Tyrod 2.0 with better upside. 

[dollars 2 donuts]

Not for nothing, but I am extremely comfortable with Allen throwing 50 passes a game.

 

let the kid get a bulk of snaps from the Jets game here on out, win or lose.  Nothing is at stake anymore except the experience he gets in a meaningless year.

[BillsFan130]

47 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

 

 

Regardless, they still won 9 games with a roster that many thought would result in the #1 overall pick before the season began.

I understand. But let’s be honest, 3 or 4 of those wins they had no business winning.

 

The ball just bounced their way last year. Finally.

 

I don’t think 2017 should be really considered when making a decision for Beanes or Mcds future. 

[B-Large]

5 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

It's unbelievable how people can proclaim that the coach won't be fired this year under any circumstances. 

 

What if we finish 2-14 and are playing to half empty stadiums in December?

 

What if Allen shows zero signs of improvement after he comes back?

 

This team is a complete dumpster fire right now. Saying there definitively won't be changes in week 9 of an abysmal season where you might set the franchise record for fewest points scored doesn't make any sense whatsoever. 

 

Like many things in life, often things get worse before they can get better... a firing is cathartic don't get me wrong, but starting over again is ideal every 2 years.

[freddyjj]

1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said:

There won’t be any coaching changes after this season so save your breaths.

 

The Franchise hasn’t even played these last three games so it’s hilarious to me how angry so many are. These games are meaningless at this point.

 

Once we saw McCarron look worse than Peterman in the preseason and then traded, we should have all seen the writing on the wall: the offense was going to be atrocious.

 

The only hope this team had of contending for a playoff spot in 2018 was for McCarron (or Peterman) to at least be as good as Taylor was last season. Maybe Beane gave up on McCarron too early and should’ve given him two or three starts at least before getting rid of him. Then again, they never would’ve received a 5th round pick at that point. And would McCarron suddenly have become good if given a start or two? I doubt it.

 

No one expected the O to be this historically awful but what difference does it make? Bad is bad. You can cry all you want about how terrible the offense is but in the end, this is all about Josh Allen. He’s all that matters.

 

Allen will come back after the bye and get some experience in a terrible offense. Beane will upgrade the offensive personnel during the off-season and we will see if Allen improves. If he doesn’t then McDermott and Beane will both be on a pretty hot seat.

 

If we reach the end of the 2020 season and Allen stinks, then kiss these guys goodbye.

 

As for right now, anyone calling for a GM or coaching change needs a grip on reality.

An A for your take - realistic and spot on.

 

IMHO there bigger failure than QB was their handling of the Oline.  Bills lost 3 starters vs 2015/2016 teams - Wood, Glenn and Richie.  Severely overestimated Ducasse and Miller's capabilities. Both are NFL backup quality players.   At OT, Newhouse, McDermott were barely NFL roster players prompting them to deal Newhouse and sign Serles mid-season.  As for C, neither Groy nor Bodine are capable NFL starters - again, like QB,  there was a competition where the competitors themselves were not worthy entrants.

 

Going into 2019 I would keep Dawkins, Serles, Boetgger and Teller.  Draft a franchise  LT and move Dawkins to LG.  SIgn a C and RT in FA and let the 2 kids fight it out at RG.  Bid farewell to Mills, Ducasse, Miller and Groy.   Bodine and Serles are backups in 2019.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said:

There won’t be any coaching changes after this season so save your breaths.

 

The Franchise hasn’t even played these last three games so it’s hilarious to me how angry so many are. These games are meaningless at this point.

 

Once we saw McCarron look worse than Peterman in the preseason and then traded, we should have all seen the writing on the wall: the offense was going to be atrocious.

 

The only hope this team had of contending for a playoff spot in 2018 was for McCarron (or Peterman) to at least be as good as Taylor was last season. Maybe Beane gave up on McCarron too early and should’ve given him two or three starts at least before getting rid of him. Then again, they never would’ve received a 5th round pick at that point. And would McCarron suddenly have become good if given a start or two? I doubt it.

 

No one expected the O to be this historically awful but what difference does it make? Bad is bad. You can cry all you want about how terrible the offense is but in the end, this is all about Josh Allen. He’s all that matters.

 

Allen will come back after the bye and get some experience in a terrible offense. Beane will upgrade the offensive personnel during the off-season and we will see if Allen improves. If he doesn’t then McDermott and Beane will both be on a pretty hot seat.

 

If we reach the end of the 2020 season and Allen stinks, then kiss these guys goodbye.

 

As for right now, anyone calling for a GM or coaching change needs a grip on reality.

 

Amazing how obvious and simple this is, yet so many people just can’t seem to grasp this.

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, B-Large said:

 

Like many things in life, often things get worse before they can get better... a firing is cathartic don't get me wrong, but starting over again is ideal every 2 years.

 

Our HC doesn't have anything in common with the best coaches around the NFL.

 

I don't know why anyone thinks he'll be the guy who can develop Allen given his complete lack of success on offense so far.