GoBills808 Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, K-9 said: I’m more interested in coaches who got off to such inauspicious starts that they had their fan bases up in arms and clamoring for them to be fired but were retained and then went on to succeed. No. Focus on the negative. That's the point of this exercise.
reddogblitz Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 Even though technically not fired, Doug Marrone. Pete Carroll a couple of times. Bruce Arians Mike Mulrkey won a playoff game last year George Allen Gene Stallings although he won his Championship in college football Marv Levy Dan Reeves fired by Denver and got Atlanta to SB Chuck Knox got Seahawks to AFC Championship game after leaving Buffalo Tony Dungee John Gruden
BigDingus Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 Oddly enough, Hue Jackson being fired after 1 year with the Raiders. He actually had that team moving in the right direction, but the Davis family likes those splashy guys.
GunnerBill Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 9 hours ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: 49ers with Harbaugh. If anything they fired him a year too late. He had fallen out with everyone in the building at least a year before he left. Including most of his players. Good thread Badol. I will have a think. 27 minutes ago, BigDingus said: Oddly enough, Hue Jackson being fired after 1 year with the Raiders. He actually had that team moving in the right direction, but the Davis family likes those splashy guys. I might even say Jack Del Rio.... firing him to bring in Gruden was a mistake. 6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: McD was even fired as DC in Philly. Juan Castillo.........our esteemed OL coach.........replaced him as DC.? Decisions which both prove why Reid out in Philly was not a mistake. He had lost his way at the end.... firing a decent DC and replacing him with an offensive line coach. The change was good for everyone. 6 hours ago, Charles Romes said: Nick Saban No. Saban isn't made for the NFL. He knows it too.
BigDingus Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 6 hours ago, Charles Romes said: Nick Saban 15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: No. Saban isn't made for the NFL. He knows it too. Also, he wasn't fired. He quit.
GunnerBill Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 I am struggling to think of one. I always thought Brian Billick might have been canned a bit early in Baltimore but then they replaced him with another Head Coach who has been hugely successful served for a decade and won a Superbowl. So that doesn't make it. The one I think might is Schwartz. I have a feeling he will be a really good Head Coach 2nd time around (and I think he will have a job next year). 1
Dafan Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Brees didn't become a great QB until he hooked up with Sean Payton who brought out his best. The Chargers have done well by having Rivers. Thats not correct. Brees' played amazing the year they drafted Rivers...over a 100 rating with 27 tds to 7 picks. Problem was SD didnt given him enough time and jumped on the rivers campaign. Edited November 4, 2018 by Dafan
26CornerBlitz Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 25 minutes ago, Dafan said: Thats not correct. Brees' played amazing the year they drafted Rivers...over a 100 rating with 27 tds to 7 picks. Problem was SD didnt given him enough time and jumped on the rivers campaign. It is correct. One amazing season doesn't translate to a great QB as he came back the next season with 24 TD passes to 15 INTs. See Nick Foles. Besides that, Brees suffered a torn labrum that put his future career success in doubt.
formerlyofCtown Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 12 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: In the coming months we are going to hear a lot about how McD and Beane need more time to execute their plan etc.. and how outrageous it would be to let them go before they have 3-5 years to execute or fail miserably at their objective. We used to hear the "Bills need to give (insert coach name) more time" over and over as an excuse for not firing them for poor performance.............and the example used was Belichick being let go by the Browns when they moved to Baltimore. But really........how many NFL HC's have been fired and then gone on to make that team regret it in the last 25 years? Can't think of many. Washington firing Marty Schottenheimer after 2001? Otherwise I can't even think of any. Even situations like the Eagles firing Andy Reid that seemed *possibly* ill advised based on past record have not proven to have been mistakes. Seems to me that nowadays teams can get a VERY GOOD idea of the potential of a HC/GM in a pretty short amount of time on the job. Philly pretty much admitted the mistake and hired an Andy Reid guy. Just like the Andy Reid guy we got.
PlayoffsPlease Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 12 hours ago, oldmanfan said: The whining is at epic proportions. Everyone on this board, every single person, knows there are no firings coming. Yet we are deluged with these same type threads on a constant basis. The condescension is if epic proportions. Everyone on this board, every single person, knows that the McDermott is never winning a Super Bowl. Yet we are deluged with these same comments defending every inane move the Bills make.
oldmanfan Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 41 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: The condescension is if epic proportions. Everyone on this board, every single person, knows that the McDermott is never winning a Super Bowl. Yet we are deluged with these same comments defending every inane move the Bills make. You do not know that at all. We do know he's not getting fired this year. That is definitive. There was a thread pages long starting Tuesday that Beane should be fired the next day. Well, it's Sunday now and guess what? What exact purpose do threads calling for phantom firings serve?
dave mcbride Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, stuvian said: I must have missed those meaningful games Rivers has won Oh man. It's a TEAM game. QBs don't win and lose games; teams do. Rivers has taken Chargers teams to far above where they should have been given their overall talent level. Edited November 4, 2018 by dave mcbride
Big Gun Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 19 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: You do not know that at all. We do know he's not getting fired this year. That is definitive. There was a thread pages long starting Tuesday that Beane should be fired the next day. Well, it's Sunday now and guess what? What exact purpose do threads calling for phantom firings serve? Link? It's annoying when people spout out opinions as fact and have nothing to back it up!
dave mcbride Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 13 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: In the coming months we are going to hear a lot about how McD and Beane need more time to execute their plan etc.. and how outrageous it would be to let them go before they have 3-5 years to execute or fail miserably at their objective. We used to hear the "Bills need to give (insert coach name) more time" over and over as an excuse for not firing them for poor performance.............and the example used was Belichick being let go by the Browns when they moved to Baltimore. But really........how many NFL HC's have been fired and then gone on to make that team regret it in the last 25 years? Can't think of many. Washington firing Marty Schottenheimer after 2001? Otherwise I can't even think of any. Even situations like the Eagles firing Andy Reid that seemed *possibly* ill advised based on past record have not proven to have been mistakes. Seems to me that nowadays teams can get a VERY GOOD idea of the potential of a HC/GM in a pretty short amount of time on the job. Good thread idea. Where would you put Marrone? He wasn't fired, but with no extension offered and the retention of Whaley, he clearly thought that the situation was untenable. Another good one to think about: Mularkey was fired after getting the team to the playoffs (and his second straight winning season), but I personally thought it was the right move. That team played below their level of ability because of the offensive game planning, in my view. 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: If anything they fired him a year too late. He had fallen out with everyone in the building at least a year before he left. Including most of his players. Good thread Badol. I will have a think. I might even say Jack Del Rio.... firing him to bring in Gruden was a mistake. Decisions which both prove why Reid out in Philly was not a mistake. He had lost his way at the end.... firing a decent DC and replacing him with an offensive line coach. The change was good for everyone. No. Saban isn't made for the NFL. He knows it too. I think Harbaugh got on the bad side of the poisonous people in that organization (Trent Balke etc.) They fired the wrong person.
Scott7975 Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 (edited) Its kind of tough to answer this question. There isn't that much data. For the most part a team hires a coach and he is given time. He either turns out to be a decent to great coach, in which the team keeps him, or the coach is bad and then fired. There aren't too many teams that have fired a good coach. There are a lot of teams that fired a bad coach. Almost all coaches get a few years to prove that one way or another. Some of those have received poor help from their GMs along the way though. Edited November 4, 2018 by Scott7975
oldmanfan Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 16 minutes ago, pop gun said: Link? It's annoying when people spout out opinions as fact and have nothing to back it up! He's not getting fired this season. And you know that. 1
Big Gun Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: He's not getting fired this season. And you know that. No I don't know that and neither do you. Not For Long league applies not only to players but coaches also.
plenzmd1 Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 I agree with you @BADOLBILZ with a minor tweak. The key to me is hiring guys behind the coach/GM who do not have a radically different scheme so as to need a complete tear down of the franchise. I think continuity for continiuity sake sake is idiotic. Continuity comes cause ya win, ya don’t win cause ya have continuity. 1
uticaclub Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 The mishandling of the QB situation is almost inexcusable. Not sure you can trust McDermott to make other tough decisions after ***** up something this important, this early in his coaching career. Josh Allen is almost guaranteed to be a bust with the way this was handled
thebandit27 Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 I suppose one could argue Pete Carroll, but I think he learned a lot from his stint with USC Aside from that, the only examples I can think of that could apply are the Raiders with Mike Shanahan, and perhaps the Jags with Tom Coughlin
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