oldmanfan Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said: I'll give you Belichick and Carroll, but Reid was hardly a guy who was fired too soon. I mean they gave the guy what, 16 years? Reid is solid, but I think the premise of this thread is a good one. VERY seldom does a coach get fired "too quickly." There is no real premise. It is just another guy crying because the team isn't doing that well. What if you flip the question, and ask how many teams become successful switching coaches every year or two? Answers for that is zero. 1
LSHMEAB Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, oldmanfan said: There is no real premise. It is just another guy crying because the team isn't doing that well. What if you flip the question, and ask how many teams become successful switching coaches every year or two? Answers for that is zero. The problem is not that those teams are switching coaches. It's that they're hiring the wrong coaches in the first place.
oldmanfan Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: The problem is not that those teams are switching coaches. It's that they're hiring the wrong coaches in the first place. Not necessarily. Give guys time to put things together. With your kind of mindset guys like Levy and Belichick and Carroll and Jimmy J may never have become the greats they became.
Doc Brown Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 I'd argue Jim Caldwell shouldn't have been fired by the Lions. Not the most exciting coach, but three winning seasons and two playoff births in four seasons was impressive given their history. The Giants haven't done much since they pushed Tom Coughlin out.
SinceThe70s Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Skins Malone said: Yes but hes posing the question because he wants McD to get fired. It's the samething as another fire McD thread. Fair enough, that wasn't my reason for backing the question, I think the fire (insert name) threads have become incessant and tiresome. IMO McBeane will and should get through this time next year at a minimum.
Billsfanatic8989 Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 Belichick deserved to be fired in Cleveland. 4 out of 5 years were losing seasons. He was about to be fired in 2001(Started 0-2) when Brady fell into his lap. Marty S was fired in San Diego because him and the GM hated one another. In hindsight, they should've fired the GM. What about LA Raiders firing Mike Shanahan? 1
26CornerBlitz Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: I'd argue Jim Caldwell shouldn't have been fired by the Lions. Not the most exciting coach, but three winning seasons and two playoff births in four seasons was impressive given their history. The Giants haven't done much since they pushed Tom Coughlin out. Boys or girls? Coughlin was in NY for 15,000 years and it was time for a change.
Happy Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 The Raiders firing Jon Gruden after the 2001 season. Then the Raiders firing Jack Del Rio after the 2017 season. That team has gone full circle within 16 years.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, Happy Gilmore said: The Raiders firing Jon Gruden after the 2001 season. Then the Raiders firing Jack Del Rio after the 2017 season. That team has gone full circle within 16 years. Gruden was traded to the Bucs.
Happy Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Gruden was traded to the Bucs. I thought I remember Gruden and Al Davis did not get along back then; kind of odd, trading a coach. Either way, they would have been better off keeping Gruden. 1
stuvian Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 Did Jim Mora Jr. Even see the field before he was let go in favour of Pete Carroll in Seattle?
26CornerBlitz Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said: I thought I remember Gruden and Al Davis did not get along back then; kind of odd, trading a coach. Either way, they would have been better off keeping Gruden. Davis didn't want to pay big bucks to him so he traded him for picks. Two #1s plus more. TB then slaughtered the Raiders in the Super Bowl after Bill Callahan didn't change the play calls. Easiest SB win ever.
stuvian Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 I think there is consensus that the Bills got rid of Chuck Knox and Lou Saban too soon 1 1
SinceThe70s Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 19 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Belichick Pete Carroll Andy Reid We all know about Belichik, but what we'll never know is whether the Browns trophy case would be full of Lombardi's if they had retained him. Nice call on Carroll. Not sure if Reid fits the criteria.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, SinceThe70s said: We all know about Belichik, but what we'll never know is whether the Browns trophy case would be full of Lombardi's if they had retained him. Nice call on Carroll. Not sure if Reid fits the criteria. No. Because they moved to Baltimore to become the Ravens.
BillsSbSoon Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 I felt like todd haley got a raw deal in kc. took them to the playoffs with matt cassel. Good offensive mind he just is hard to deal with i guess
SinceThe70s Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: No. Because they moved to Baltimore to become the Ravens. Factually true, but tangential and irrelevant to the discussion.
Boatdrinks Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 46 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: You know, that brings up a really interesting thought. What kind of coach would Bill Belichick even be if not for Brady? He had the one season with Matt Cassel where they went 10-6, but that's not enough of a sample size to say definitively one way or the other. It's not an original thought, but I'm sure he'd love to win a ring without Brady. Obviously the whole Jimmy G thing has been discussed to death. We know that before Brady he was around .500 as a HC. He led them to a 5-11 record in 2000 and they lost the opener in ‘01. The Boston media had said Belichick could be be fired as soon as the day after the game vs NYJ if they went 0-2 to start. He wasn’t though, and the rest as they say is history. NE’s improbable and ridiculously long ( by NFL standards) period of dominance has had Brady as the one constant. Belichick obviously hadn’t had a QB of that caliber while HC up to that point. B.B. clearly wants to win a championship without Brady to cement his own legacy. He lost the power struggle to retain Garrapolo, but you have to wonder if Garrapolo would be the Pats * QB now if it were solely up to him. Kraft of course will never betray his stroke of good luck and will let Brady dictate his own terms. 1
ColoradoBills Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 LOL. Good Lord with these threads. How about asking what coaches who took their teams to the playoffs and then had a bad year and STAYED as coach went on to win for years? Beane and McDermott will be in Buffalo for the 2019 season. Some on this board would of called for Levy's head after losing to the Colts (47-6) in 1987. Then went on next week to lose again with a total Bills record of 3-8 at the time. Keep in mind Levy was HC of the Chiefs for 5 years with a 31-42 record. NO ONE knows what Beane and McDermott's future will be................but they will be here in 2019. Period.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 4, 2018 Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, SinceThe70s said: Factually true, but tangential and irrelevant to the discussion. Totally relevant based on your question of Cleveland having Lombardi Trophies because of Belichick when they got an expansion franchise having no team until 99. The question about the Ravens and Belichick is the one to ask as it was earler in the thread.
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