Is the CFP ranking process flawed?

[row_33]

So we are supposed to believe that if Ohio State beats Michigan and Northwestern that it is 50/50 they get into the playoff from the current 10th ranking?

 

this is so stupid....

 

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

6 hours ago, row_33 said:

So we are supposed to believe that if Ohio State beats Michigan and Northwestern that it is 50/50 they get into the playoff from the current 10th ranking?

 

this is so stupid....

 

 

 

I'm sorry but I am missing the point you are trying to make. I'm sure it is me but where are you going with the above?

 

Are you saying that OSU should or should not get in if they win out?

[row_33]

Ohio State should be in if they win out , not even a second of doubt

 

mamy complain about a preseason poll, but putting out a playoff poll is far more pointless when you include teams that have no chance at all of getting in above teams still in the mix

 

 

 

 

 

 

They just take the teams they want at the last second, often tossing the penultimate playoff poll in the trash and pretending it never happened

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

2 hours ago, row_33 said:

Ohio State should be in if they win out , not even a second of doubt

 

mamy complain about a preseason poll, but putting out a playoff poll is far more pointless when you include teams that have no chance at all of getting in above teams still in the mix

 

 

 

 

 

 

They just take the teams they want at the last second, often tossing the penultimate playoff poll in the trash and pretending it never happened

 

 

I'm not ready to agree or disagree.....yet.

 

I do however think that a 1 loss Georgia or a 1 loss Alabama would be more deserving whereas they, IMO (I'm not talking smack or wanting to offend anyone) are clearly superior to any team in the Big 10, especially in terms of being a complete football team. I mean, how many 50 point games do those teams allow?

 

Once again, this is JMO. It's an opinion, not an all knowing proclamation.

 

 

Edited November 20, 2018 by Bill from NYC

[4merper4mer]

Upstart teams from smaller conferences should have to go undefeated for 17 years straight before having an opportunity at a playoff.  Furthermore they should not be scheduled by the big boys who have better things to do, like tying Citadel for 30 minutes.

 

In other words, the system is working perfectly.

[row_33]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

I'm not ready to agree or disagree.....yet.

 

I do however think that a 1 loss Georgia or a 1 loss Alabama are would be more deserving whereas they, IMO (I'm not talking smack or wanting to offend anyone) are clearly superior to any team in the Big 10, especially in terms of being a complete football team. I mean, how many 50 point games do those teams allow?

 

Once again, this is JMO. It's an opinion, not an all knowing proclamation.

 

 

 

I assume this is all just mere opinion, but I might quote you some day if I can make $$...

 

The playoff poll glorifies a type of useless thinking which people feed on and waste their life away

 

i know all too well about other manifestations of this silliness.

 

its been a disappointing season, Bama is the only top shelf team that has a ruddy clue what it is doing on the field 

 

the rest can’t get their act together for two straight offensive drives, even against the cupcakes they are facing 90 percent of the time

[row_33]

58 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Upstart teams from smaller conferences should have to go undefeated for 17 years straight before having an opportunity at a playoff.  Furthermore they should not be scheduled by the big boys who have better things to do, like tying Citadel for 30 minutes.

 

In other words, the system is working perfectly.

 

put a mid-major big game on split screen with a top big conference game

 

it will never get respect

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

Why is your venom aimed only at Alabama? Seriously, why not Clemson? They played 1 game against a quality team. If you want to call Syracuse a good team, cool; lets make it 2. They won these 2 games by a combined 6 points.

 

Who is it you want Alabama to play? If the answer is UCF, I would like that too! It would make a fine season opener.

 

That said, their schedule isn't as easy as you make it sound. Some of those teams look a lot worse because they are facing the Crimson Tide.

[row_33]

14 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Why is your venom aimed only at Alabama? Seriously, why not Clemson? They played 1 game against a quality team. If you want to call Syracuse a good team, cool; lets make it 2. They won these 2 games by a combined 6 points.

 

Who is it you want Alabama to play? If the answer is UCF, I would like that too! It would make a fine season opener.

 

That said, their schedule isn't as easy as you make it sound. Some of those teams look a lot worse because they are facing the Crimson Tide.

 

no venom at Bama, just slight disappointment at them not playing a strong team out of conference, and not buying that the QB is going to dominate the NFL immediately until his HOF career ends in 2030.

 

i couldn't care less about Clemson

 

what was venom in stating that Bama is the only team that can tell it's butt from a hole in the ground on O?

 

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

23 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

no venom at Bama, just slight disappointment at them not playing a strong team out of conference, and not buying that the QB is going to dominate the NFL immediately until his HOF career ends in 2030.

 

i couldn't care less about Clemson

 

what was venom in stating that Bama is the only team that can tell it's butt from a hole in the ground on O?

 

 

 

I apologize. My response was meant for a different poster who mentioned The Citadel.

[row_33]

24 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I apologize. My response was meant for a different poster who mentioned The Citadel.

 

i think i may have mentioned Citadel, and not in the context of the Rolling Stones song, a few times this year.....

 

hopefully we get some well-played close games the next few weeks and in the playoff

 

 

 

 

 

[Orlando Buffalo]

The biggest issue with the CFP is they change the criteria after they select who they want. One year only conference champs, then later it is " best resume", last year it was " 4 best teams". If they simply laid out the requirements the lesser teams wpuld change to try and help their cause. In the basketball at least they lay out what they choose based on- i do not agree with all the criteria but at least i know.

[row_33]

18 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

The biggest issue with the CFP is they change the criteria after they select who they want. One year only conference champs, then later it is " best resume", last year it was " 4 best teams". If they simply laid out the requirements the lesser teams wpuld change to try and help their cause. In the basketball at least they lay out what they choose based on- i do not agree with all the criteria but at least i know.

 

You can’t make rules to meet every instance, it goes on nuance and fair play and trying to do the right thing and getting the top TV audience

 

it makes sense when the team I cheer for gets in and should be totally revamped when the team I cheer for doesn’t get in

 

 

[Orlando Buffalo]

41 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

You can’t make rules to meet every instance, it goes on nuance and fair play and trying to do the right thing and getting the top TV audience

 

it makes sense when the team I cheer for gets in and should be totally revamped when the team I cheer for doesn’t get in

 

 

I do not understand what you are arguing in favor of? Are you stating that having no set standards is good? That conference championships should only matter if it allows the big money team in? I do not want to put words in your mouth but you seem to be stating that tv ratings should be used to used to determine who gets in.

[row_33]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I do not understand what you are arguing in favor of? Are you stating that having no set standards is good? That conference championships should only matter if it allows the big money team in? I do not want to put words in your mouth but you seem to be stating that tv ratings should be used to used to determine who gets in.

 

 

the whole playoff is about TV ratings and selling ads

 

(it plays heavily in determining the last spot, history and national fan interest are huge if required)

 

like everything else in life "rules" are set up, even "computer based rules" and then they toss the "rules" in the garbage to suit whatever result they predetermined

 

it's just sports and if you aren't making a living off it then don't bother getting confused or too upset about it, especially chatter on a sport message board 

 

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

12 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

the whole playoff is about TV ratings and selling ads

 

Then why do people claim that Alabama gets special treatment? Don't you think that OSU, Michigan, Penn State, Texas, Notre Dame, and other teams have more of a following than Alabama?

I believe that the networks would rather see any of the above teams in the playoffs along with some other teams than to have the nationally hated Alabama in there.....again.

What say you?

[row_33]

19 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Then why do people claim that Alabama gets special treatment? Don't you think that OSU, Michigan, Penn State, Texas, Notre Dame, and other teams have more of a following than Alabama?

I believe that the networks would rather see any of the above teams in the playoffs along with some other teams than to have the nationally hated Alabama in there.....again.

What say you?

 

 

they hate Bama because Bama is so ***** great

 

the SEC is clearly the gem of college football and TV ratings, and at worst has been the 2nd best conference overall for my 4 decades of watching...

 

 

[Orlando Buffalo]

38 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Then why do people claim that Alabama gets special treatment? Don't you think that OSU, Michigan, Penn State, Texas, Notre Dame, and other teams have more of a following than Alabama?

I believe that the networks would rather see any of the above teams in the playoffs along with some other teams than to have the nationally hated Alabama in there.....again.

What say you?

Alabama has a huge following especially in the south- though the only team they are bigger than that you mention is penn state. I think  the argument would be that fan base is 50% of standard to get into playoff.

[row_33]

when Bama was in the ditch, the SEC was dissed by not putting undefeated Auburn in a "championship game" one year

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

 

 

they hate Bama because Bama is so ***** great

 

the SEC is clearly the gem of college football and TV ratings, and at worst has been the 2nd best conference overall for my 4 decades of watching...

 

 

Interesting. I never even considered the possibility that Bama has a bigger fan base than Notre Dame. Not ever.

 

I see at least 10 Notre Dame shirts, hats, or jackets to every 1 that says  Alabama. I would think that this would be the case in 48 other states, even down south whereas each SEC school has its own fan base.