KD in CA Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 *phew* For a second there I thought this thread wasn't going to be another "McBeane sucks!" diatribe.
HomeskillitMoorman Posted November 2, 2018 Author Posted November 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: He got hit. You can have the best line in the league and guys get hit. He was injured because of the number of hits, he got injured because of where he was hit. I'm not talking about that one play. The o-line is horrendous in general.
Watkins90 Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 49 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: We're in year 2. How in the world does last season wipe out a year? The job of a new regime when they come aboard is to evaluate and determine the direction of the organization. They did that and decided to rebuild. The team was mediocre, got to 9-7 and with a little luck, made the playoffs. And I gave the regime credit for continuing the rebuild because I agreed that the team was mediocre at best without a high ceiling. There's no point in being mediocre. It was the right thing to do to continue the rebuild. But they haven't amassed the amount of talent they should have after 2 offseasons. We still have the entire offense to go and we need to get younger at a couple of positions on defense. This is at least 2 offseasons of work, maybe more based on the pace that we're on now. In today's NFL, it's a slow pace, and front offices that are slow in this league don't last very long. The thing I think people forget, we were so cap-strapped we didn't have the necessary ability to amass this large amount of talent. It wouldn't have mattered who was the GM. We didn't have the funds, plain and simple. 2
Patrick Duffy Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Brian3488 said: I think this is a hard year to gauge on progression of QB. Reason being, Daboll is switching the offensive scheme every game, he's experimenting by trial and error, seeing what works and what doesn't. With constant change its hard to see progressions. Year 2 will be a different story. Daboll will have a year under his belt and by then should know how to correctly work around his players. Allen will need to show significant progress then. Yes I would agree with you on this as well. Maybe I should have used "development" instead of progression. I don't know, either way if we can just see some kind of promise(besides the Vikings game) with Allen between when he gets back and the end of the season. Like I said it will be difficult with the supporting cast he has around him either way, I guess I meant I want to see more accurate throws, better decision making, and pocket presence. Even if the WR drop most of the throws, as long as the ball gets where it needs to be. Along with that and decision making etc, I would consider that development/progression. Edited November 2, 2018 by Patrick_Duffy 2
LSHMEAB Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 35 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Lolz at this board. Its really all code for "we are losing so the rebuild isn't working" You can really hide it in whatever justification you like, the fact is you don't like the pains of a rebuild. Step one was always get the QB. Now they got him. Now they build around him. Its hard to judge the progress of Allen because he hasn't really played and has been denied the chance to develop. I think if we're being honest, most of us who don't believe in the rebuild don't believe Josh Allen is ever going to be any good. If I believed in Allen, I would be much more tolerant of the sh*tshow product they're putting on the field right now.
BillsVet Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Fadingpain said: You're preaching to the choir with me! Some of us were calling for Allen to start Game 1 all summer long. McBeane have already demonstrated that they have zero ability to gauge QB talent or manage that position. And they are the ones who drafted Allen. Good luck with that. How two guys can enter the season with a such a distinct lack of talent on offense is startling. 1 hour ago, Tenhigh said: Its like a mouth-breathing competition up in here! Pot meet kettle. 1
JohnC Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Augie said: We know. ? I was good with not starting him for at least that first 4 game stretch, taking the cautious approach. I wont bother to go into anything positive that nobody wants to hear. We all know both sides of this thing, and ultimately time will tell. Maybe the Bills can hire a magician who with some secret potion can concoct some instant success. Unrealistic expectations are the manufactured problems of those who are not grounded in reality. What is going on this year with this franchise should have been expected. Some people simply can't handle the arduous stages in a rebuild. I don't consider myself to be a naive homer. Assuming this offseason is handled smartly I am optimistic about the not too distant future. 1
Augie Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, JohnC said: Maybe the Bills can hire a magician who with some secret potion can concoct some instant success. Unrealistic expectations are the manufactured problems of those who are not grounded in reality. What is going on this year with this franchise should have been expected. Some people simply can't handle the arduous stages in a rebuild. I don't consider myself to be a naive homer. Assuming this offseason is handled smartly I am optimistic about the not too distant future. I prefer a big picture, long term view and I’m OK with what I’ve seen. I hate short sighted knee jerking. I fully agree that some (serious) mistakes have been made, but in general I like the direction. Mistakes happen in life. We ended the drought, then we shed cap ugliness. Pain is to be expected. I had no idea the offense could be THIS BAD, but in the long run it actually may help come the draft. The bottom line is, since I have no control over it, I’m not going to lose my mind over it. There’s no point in that. I’d just turn away and check back later rather than get as worked up as many here find themselves. But that’s just me.... 1
Success Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 This is a rebuild. All we’re debating is style points. 1
vorpma Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Watkins90 said: We are in year 1 of the rebuild. Making the playoffs last year wiped out that year being a rebuilding year no matter what moves were made. Adult input, thanks! 19 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: A lot of the fans preaching this is a rebuild are the same fans that thought this team could win 9 games this year. Nope, most of us thinking 4 - 12; we are 2 - 5!
twoandfourteen Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Watkins90 said: I like how we give up on a rookie QB four games into his NFL career. My god guys. We would be picking QBs in the first round in every draft if we had it your way and dumped someone after one year because they weren't an all-pro. So then you must be all for giving Nathan Peterman at least another year, right? I mean, he has fewer starts than Allen does. 2
vorpma Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 30 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: A lot of the fans preaching this is a rebuild are the same fans that thought this team could win 9 games this year. Nope, most of us thinking 4 - 12; we are 2 - 5! Really, just another emotional post based on anger and frustration from the "I WANT IT NOW" mind set; pull into to a fast food restaurant drive - a playoff and a SB berth to go!
Augie Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 36 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: A lot of the fans preaching this is a rebuild are the same fans that thought this team could win 9 games this year. So, what’s your point? I thought 6-8 wins, which is actually still possible given the schedule. Maybe it’s a little less. Very few were solid on 9 wins. VERY. It’s still a rebuild. Offense in the offseason, then see what we have next year. If it made me truly miserable, I’d take a break.
nedboy7 Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: This offensive line is in fact playing bad.....they cannot block for the run to save their lives....they cannot get out in front of screens......they are inconsistant in their pass protection They are playing bad Some of the reason for that is there is no QB 7 minutes ago, Augie said: So, what’s your point? I thought 6-8 wins, which is actually still possible given the schedule. Maybe it’s a little less. Very few were solid on 9 wins. VERY. It’s still a rebuild. Offense in the offseason, then see what we have next year. If it made me truly miserable, I’d take a break. Funny how 8-8 is seen as the end of the world. Remember the tyrod days. And now we are hoping to get to 8-8. Edited November 2, 2018 by nedboy7 2
Augie Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 1 minute ago, nedboy7 said: Funny how 8-8 is seen as the end of the world. Remember the tyrod days. And now we are hoping to get to 8-8. Who said that? NOT ME. Now you’re just making stuff up (again). An 8-8 season while clearing the cap, getting quality, cheap and young talent and developing a (hopefully) Franchise QB would thrill me! How could we have such an old roster? THAT had to change. But then, I don’t just look for things to complain about. That’s good for my family and friends, as people hate being around people like that. I avoid them myself when possible. 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 Thanks for sharing your completely original and insightful take with all of us.
John from Riverside Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Some of the reason for that is there is no QB Funny how 8-8 is seen as the end of the world. Remember the tyrod days. And now we are hoping to get to 8-8. Actually...I am hoping they are trying to avoid 8-8 which is a huge part of the overall problem
Wayne Arnold Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Actually...I am hoping they are trying to avoid 8-8 which is a huge part of the overall problem 8-8 would be a tremendous accomplishment. Make no mistake about it - McDermott would be ecstatic to go 6-2 in the second half of the season. 1
nucci Posted November 3, 2018 Posted November 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: 8-8 would be a tremendous accomplishment. Make no mistake about it - McDermott would be ecstatic to go 6-2 in the second half of the season. Everyone should...that would mean the players currently on the roster are playing better and we won't need to replace everyone...winning is still a good thing.... 2
Nester Posted November 3, 2018 Posted November 3, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: I never said 2 years max, in fact multiple times I've said 3 is usually the standard. But even then, it's more about progression. With the way Beane and McDermott accumulated assets to trade up for a franchise QB...they seemed to have some level of understanding of how important that is. And that was the plan for 2 offseasons. But along the way, they decided not to protect that QB or give him anyone to throw to. This is basically going to be a complete year wasted of offensive development because even if Allen does come back, they're just going to continue to run this bland, conservative offense that is not the modern offense that you have to be building towards anyway. THAT'S my problem. This is far and away an offense-first league if you want to be good for an extended period of time...and somehow this regime has put it completely on the backburner. No. The exact opposite. I feel like people choose to forget how the FO got blindsided by Both Richie Incognito and Eric Wood. Had both played, stayed healthy and stayed out of jail this season could be totally different. Solid experienced protection allowing the resources use to replace them to be used on weapon upgrades. It goes without saying that a diminished Online already mutes our best offensive weapon, Shady. We need the line to give him those first 3 years so he can get the next 3, like back in 2016 when his average was 5.4 and he got 13 touchdowns. They brought in Kelvin Benjamin, but he has been performing well below expectations, you could push that back on the QB/OL situation, but the stupid penalties he has been taking for large yards is very frustrating with compounded with poor performance. But remember as a rookie he was caught over 1000 yards, so you cant say they did NOTHING to try and acquire weapons. It just did not work out because he has just not been able to bounce back after he tore his ACL. What if he turns his season around at the halfway mark and stops pushing off all the time? like he did when he was just a rookie playing with Cam Newton. The plan was not as bad as people are saying, they just got ***** on two surprised retirements on the Online and it cascaded from there. I fully admit their biggest flaw was not having a vet QB to do the heavy lifting this year and teach Allen. Big Swing and a Miss with AJ McCarron, i want to say at least they recognized their error, but they did not do the right thing by not replacing him ASAP after the trade. We all know the test will be this offseason, We should have a low pick that wont be a QB and tons of FE cap space. Edited November 3, 2018 by Nester 1
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