Nick mullens

[yungmack]

1 hour ago, blacklabel said:

 

Backup QBs with no pro film have an upstart game like this fairly regularly. He played well, I'm not taking that away from him. But Shanahan helped him a lot in how he schemed his receivers to get open and then Oakland just rolled over. His first or second TD pass, the dude was wide open and walked into the end zone. Aikman pointed out during the game how the Raiders weren't staying in their zones, guys were just doing whatever they wanted it seemed. 

 

 

You're correct, but those aren't the things that impressed me. This was a national game, in the Bay Area, with a ton of interest from fans and media, and yet the kid, an undrafted FA, was calm, collected and in control like a 5 year pro.The moment definitely wasn't too big for him. That's huge. He continually made good "reads," made quick decisions, got the ball out of his hand in a hurry -- and to the right guy. He consistently threw his runners open. And, best of all, he was very accurate. With receivers who he's probably had very little practice time with. Now compare him to Josh Allen or Nathan Peterman who can do none of those things. That a GM can find a third string QB basically for free, who can come off the bench and perform the way he did has to cause even the most pro McBeane fans around here to question their talent/intelligence/ability. And if they don't have the ability to get the QB position right, I have to wonder if they can get the rest of the team right.

[GoBills808]

21 minutes ago, yungmack said:

You're correct, but those aren't the things that impressed me. This was a national game, in the Bay Area, with a ton of interest from fans and media, and yet the kid, an undrafted FA, was calm, collected and in control like a 5 year pro.The moment definitely wasn't too big for him. That's huge. He continually made good "reads," made quick decisions, got the ball out of his hand in a hurry -- and to the right guy. He consistently threw his runners open. And, best of all, he was very accurate. With receivers who he's probably had very little practice time with. Now compare him to Josh Allen or Nathan Peterman who can do none of those things. That a GM can find a third string QB basically for free, who can come off the bench and perform the way he did has to cause even the most pro McBeane fans around here to question their talent/intelligence/ability. And if they don't have the ability to get the QB position right, I have to wonder if they can get the rest of the team right.

I didn't see him having to make many difficult reads iirc. The TD was a nice lookoff but he was always going to the right, the pass to Kittle was a one-read throw that the TE made a great play on. I think Shanahan put in a bunch of easy concepts that wouldn't overly tax the guy, and he made some throws which is a credit to him. It was impressive but not extraordinary imo. Playing against that Raiders defense also made things easier, they're awful. It reminded me of Allen's game against the Vikings tbh, very good playcalling that allowed your young QB to just go out and execute without having to worry about the complicated stuff. 

[iinii]

17 hours ago, Cmdjr85 said:

Dude also has a good competent oline blocking for him. 

O-lines are overrated 

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I said I don't think it would be detrimental if they did.

 

At this moment in time, I would have no idea who to hire. I would need to do a lot of research and then interviews. I have my own job, right now, I don't have time for that.?

 

If there was a hot shot offensive coordinator/mind available at seasons end I would drop McBeane in a heart beat for him.

 

Rex and McBeane are polar opposites and while yes, I agree Rex was a messy manager, McBeane has demonstrated the same ineptitude and lack of organization, particularly on the offensive side of the ball to this point. 

 

The Bills are an extreme work in progress due to their own, self inflicted decisions that weren't necessary. That's where the main issue lies with McBeane to a lot of fans. 

Why are some people in such denial about this? These wounds are self inflicted and unnecessary. 

[KW95 - JA17]

Brady is 41, Anderson is 35...Imagine what 2 years of experience will do for Anderson!!!!

 

Positive is a virtue!

[iinii]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

What's the difference? 

 

Explain bud.

 

Some people don’t understand the premise of debates. Facts are secondary to deflection and innuendo.

[twoandfourteen]

10 hours ago, 87168 said:

 Hmm he was right. Simple. 

 

Was he? 

 

You are saying that McD & the Pegulas are racists, correct? 

[Buffalo716]

5 hours ago, zow2 said:

Seems like the Niners have been able to plug in no-name guys like Beathard and now Mullens.  What have they gotten, 11 or 12 TD passes between those guys?  That is really respectable production and obviously way better than what Buffalo has been able to do...   I give the QB's most of the credit and Shanahan for putting their scheme together.   

Beathard was a 3rd round pick last year and I would take him 100 times out of 100 over Peterman 

[LSHMEAB]

6 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Was he? 

 

You are saying that McD & the Pegulas are racists, correct? 

I believe THEY believe a large enough segment of the fanbase is a little less tolerant than the average fanbase so it's preferable to have a white QB. First and foremost, it's a business.

 

This is 100% an opinion with zero factual basis, so I'm not going to be able to provide a link.

[phypon]

8 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I believe THEY believe a large enough segment of the fanbase is a little less tolerant than the average fanbase so it's preferable to have a white QB. First and foremost, it's a business.

 

This is 100% an opinion with zero factual basis, so I'm not going to be able to provide a link.

 

Dude, you're off by a few years.  QB is no longer a "racist"  position in the NFL.  EVERYBODY knows that it's the kickers that hold the title of racist positions.  Why do you think they REALLY brought Schmidt (sp?) back???  Get with the times man!  

[row_33]

5 hours ago, blacklabel said:

 

Backup QBs with no pro film have an upstart game like this fairly regularly. He played well, I'm not taking that away from him. But Shanahan helped him a lot in how he schemed his receivers to get open and then Oakland just rolled over. His first or second TD pass, the dude was wide open and walked into the end zone. Aikman pointed out during the game how the Raiders weren't staying in their zones, guys were just doing whatever they wanted it seemed. 

 

Tell you what though, gimme that George Kittle dude over ol' Charles Clay any day of the week. I like Clay, I just think he's limited due to his injury history. Kittle made an insane one-handed catch over the middle then took it another 50-60 yards to the 5-yard line.

 

The Raiders didn’t even care to show up last night

 

peterman would have whipped them

[twoandfourteen]

9 hours ago, LABillzFan said:

 

Then I'll ask you, too.

 

What's the plan? Who's the new GM? Who's the new HC, OC, DC? 

 

And I'm not talking about thinking you'll pull Cowher out of a studio seat. I mean, realistically, what is your plan other then "fire everyone"? 

 

My plan? I'm glad you asked. 

 

I would assemble a list of candidates and the ones that utter the words "field position", "establish the run", "hard nosed", or "weather" will be immediately escorted off the premises by security. 

 

Of the remaining coaches, I would look for the guy who comes in and says "My vision is to score many, many, many points and here is how we are going to exploit the current rules to do it". That cat immediately gets the job. 

 

This really isn't hard. Stop hiring backwards coaches who are brainwashed by their own BS. Hire smart, innovative coaches who are aware that when the announcers say "and it's 4th down and the Bills will have to punt", that you don't actually HAVE to punt. 

 

Someone tell Terrence that even though I am very happy in my current career, I'd be more than happy to consider a generous offer to come and take over for a few months to sort this mess out for him. 

40 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I believe THEY believe a large enough segment of the fanbase is a little less tolerant than the average fanbase so it's preferable to have a white QB. First and foremost, it's a business.

 

This is 100% an opinion with zero factual basis, so I'm not going to be able to provide a link.

 

Ok, that's fair. What exactly is a "large enough segment"? What percentage of the Bills fanbase do you believe they feel is racist?

 

20%? 40%? 5%? 

 

I don't want a link. You may not be wrong. I want you to expand on that opinion and give me a % of the fanbase that you believe is intolerant of a non-white QB.

 

[LSHMEAB]

8 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

My plan? I'm glad you asked. 

 

I would assemble a list of candidates and the ones that utter the words "field position", "establish the run", "hard nosed", or "weather" will be immediately escorted off the premises by security. 

 

Of the remaining coaches, I would look for the guy who comes in and says "My vision is to score many, many, many points and here is how we are going to exploit the current rules to do it". That cat immediately gets the job. 

 

This really isn't hard. Stop hiring backwards coaches who are brainwashed by their own BS. Hire smart, innovative coaches who are aware that when the announcers say "and it's 4th down and the Bills will have to punt", that you don't actually HAVE to punt. 

 

Someone tell Terrence that even though I am very happy in my current career, I'd be more than happy to consider a generous offer to come and take over for a few months to sort this mess out for him. 

 

Ok, that's fair. What exactly is a "large enough segment"? What percentage of the Bills fanbase do you believe they feel is racist?

 

20%? 40%? 5%? 

 

I don't want a link. You may not be wrong. I want you to expand on that opinion and give me a % of the fanbase that you believe is intolerant of a non-white QB.

 

I would guess around 20% would PREFER a QB that looks like Allen.

 

Again, this is totally subjective and I'm clearly stating it as an opinion.

 

We all have our preferences to be perfectly honest. I specifically didn't want Darnold because that ugly mug is just too much to bear. I also don't think he's a franchise QB, so there's that.

 

This particular class is weird in that none of them really "look" the part. I guess I'll just throw it out there. I believe there IS a correlation between looks and greatness when it comes to quarterbacks. It's an odd take, but when you look at the greats(Montana, Elway, Favre, Rodgers, Brady), it makes you think. Interestingly, Pittsburgh seems to buck the trend with Bradshaw and Big Ben.

[ColoradoBills]

8 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

The problem for the 49'ers is that Garoppolo has got to be the starter for them.

 

They are on the hook with giving him over $70 million guaranteed in his contract.

 

Actually crazy as it sounds SF could trade him next year for only a 5.6 million Dead Cap hit.

Flip side is they eating a 37 million salary cap this year for him not playing!

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/jimmy-garoppolo-14472/

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Actually crazy as it sounds SF could trade him next year for only a 5.6 million Dead Cap hit.

Flip side is they eating a 37 million salary cap this year for him not playing!

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/jimmy-garoppolo-14472/

I did not know that.

 

Now, who would be willing to take on that contract, now that he's sustained an ACL injury?

[T master]

On 11/1/2018 at 5:57 PM, Steptide said:

Trade for this dude immediately 

 

Next year Bean could do just that ! The 9er's will have 3 very competent NFL Qb's & Shanahan will be able to get rid of at least one to get picks or players to help his team moving forward & if Mullens winds up being his Brady either of the other 2 could wind up being on the market !!

[EmotionallyUnstable]

So this is still a thing? I hope for his sake he blows up and signs a r8diculous contract with the Giants or some idiotic franchise who is desperate for a new face of the team. Just hope it isn't us. 

[BADOLBILZ]

11 hours ago, LABillzFan said:

 

So to recap, you know you want to do something drastic like fire everyone, but after that, you have no idea what should be done, only that you don't want to do what you perceive to be the problem when you fired everyone.

 

Sounds like a plan.

 

Not let's advance this: if you fire everyone, and replace everyone by not doing what your predecessor did, you would argue that if the new group isn't winning in the first year and a half, you fire everyone and start again, correct? Or do we trust your process? 

 

Apparently it can't be both, so walk us through this. No success after 18 months, and we start again?

 

 

 

 

Alert to new readers of TSW:

 

This guy LABillzFan has been angrily/snarkily defending each Bills regime thru "thin-and-thin" since Donahoe and Greggo were hired.

 

That's right.............he's ALWAYS been wrong.

 

He used to be one of the "first responders" to posts critical of poor organizational stewardship.

 

He's at least wised up enough to not over-expose his chronic incorrectness.

 

As such this is a courtesy reminder that his opinions are consistently proven to be sh*t.

 

[Kelly the Dog]

14 hours ago, LABillzFan said:

 

How is that not what you said?

 

You said you would fire everyone, and then said you had no idea what you would do after that beyond not doing what was being done before. If I misread that, feel free to clarify,  but you're literally advocating for an 18-month window for creating a successful NFL team. If your team isn't successful in 18 months, start over again.

 

That said, in my mind, comparing Rex to McBeane is apples/oranges because, to me, Rex was an *****-in-seats-now hire and McBeane is a long play. Rex was a messy manager, and McBeane is more purposeful. That doesn't mean they don't make bad choices (i.e. McCarron), but it seems amazing to me that smart fans are unable to digest that the Bills are still a work in progress, and McBeane simply hasn't been in place long enough to show their work properly.

 

I would also add this, though not directed specifically at you: in addition to how tiresome it is here to read lazy minds calling for everyone to be fired after 18 months, it is especially tiresome to hear people mock 'the process.' Any thinking person can tell you that finding success in something with multiple moving parts demands a process. Building a car, running a company, writing software...it all demands a process, and to mock the mantra of "trust the process" is, to me, the laziest of all criticism. 

 

 

 

It's hard to argue with anything you said in theory.

 

That said, if the Bills would have fired the nine coaches since Marv after one or two years instead of three, we may be ahead now. There is a great argument for saying that you have to give good coaches time, even three to five years, before they can genuinely be evaluated.

 

But most coaches suck.

 

They are left to do their jobs way too long. I would argue that each of the nine coaches should have been fired earlier than they were. Sure, you need to give new regimes time to do what they need to do, but not if they suck. Not if they don't know what they are doing.

 

I don't at all think McDermott should be fired now. Or Beane. At all. They need the rest of this year and all of next year to see if they have this franchise on the right path.

 

But there is a huge reason to believe they are not the right guys. McD clearly knows defense. There is nothing to believe they know a thing about offense outside of pure hope. They have made a LOT of terrible decisions on offense from day one to right now.

 

It's possible they will turn it around. It's possible they are building a good team for the long run. I gave them the benefit of the doubt like I would anyone. But 90% of their decisions so far on offense have been terrible. There is zero reason to trust the process on offense. That doesn't mean they need to be fired.

 

But the handling of the offensive coaching from top to bottom, the handling of the QB position, the handling of the WR position, as well as the TEs, is downright scary. Like, horrible.

[row_33]

5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Alert to new readers of TSW:

 

This guy LABillzFan has been angrily/snarkily defending each Bills regime thru "thin-and-thin" since Donahoe and Greggo were hired.

 

That's right.............he's ALWAYS been wrong.

 

He used to be one of the "first responders" to posts critical of poor organizational stewardship.

 

He's at least wised up enough to not over-expose his chronic incorrectness.

 

As such this is a courtesy reminder that his opinions are consistently proven to be sh*t.

 

 

You were on this board since Donahoe was GM?

 

Edited November 3, 2018 by row_33

[Kelly the Dog]

25 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

You were on this board since Donahoe was GM?

 

Well before. One of the originals. And arguably the best. A lot of posters were on here before Donahoe. And a lot who have followed the team since the sixties. . 

 

But you knew that. Others don’t.