John Wawrow on the QB situation

[The_Dude]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/11/02/bills-on-pace-to-finish-the-season-with-6-td-passes-26-interceptions/

 

McDermott's "process" makes the Bills a national laughing stock.

[Gugny]

15 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/11/02/bills-on-pace-to-finish-the-season-with-6-td-passes-26-interceptions/

 

McDermott's "process" makes the Bills a national laughing stock.

 

"So far this season, the Bills’ three quarterbacks have combined to throw just three touchdown passes and 13 interceptions. The season is half over, so the Bills are on pace to finish with six touchdown passes and 26 interceptions. That is simply, unbelievably, awful."

 

[Rigotz]

3 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

We got Harrison Phillips by trading Ron Darby to the Eagles for Jordan Matthews. That has absolutely nothing to do with Tyrod Taylor.

 

Buddy .... let me slow this down for you. I'm referring to the value of a third round pick in that same draft.

I couldn't use the Darby pick because it was used to trade up for Edmunds. 

[reddogblitz]

49 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

I know that defense was stacked. Imagine if they had a good QB... rings galore. 

 

i don't know about you, but based on what we've had for the last 19 years, back to back conference championships and getting within a few yards of a SB  win sounds pretty sweet. I would just hope our coach doesn't quit and bolt for college football.

 

That's what destroyed that team IMHO.

Edited November 2, 2018 by reddogblitz

[Mr. WEO]

59 minutes ago, the skycap said:

You are one of my favorite posters on this site!!

 

 

Thanks man!

[YoloinOhio]

27 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

 

Buddy .... let me slow this down for you. I'm referring to the value of a third round pick in that same draft.

I couldn't use the Darby pick because it was used to trade up for Edmunds. 

The Bills used the Darby pick on Phillips. They traded the Tyrod pick for Edmunds. They used their own 3rd on KB. 

[BringBackOrton]

3 hours ago, CountDorkula said:

How is that relevant to the bills situation?

 

It's like when people bring up how bad the Rams were and say look the Rams were bad just like the Bills.

YOU JUST ASKED ME HOW MANY TEAMS BENCHED THEIR STARTER FOR A ROOKIE AFTER A HALF, THEN YOU ASK HOW IS YOUR IRRELEVANT QUESTION IS RELEVANT

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

i don't know about you, but based on what we've had for the last 19 years, back to back conference championships and getting within a few yards of a S  win sounds pretty sweet. I would just hope our coach doesn't quit and bolt for college football.

 

That's what destroyed that team IMHO.

 

Patrick Willis retiring and Navarro Bowman blowing up his leg were what led to their downfall.

 

If Harbaugh could’ve kept that together and gotten a good QB it might have been a dynasty. 

[Mr. WEO]

50 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

I know that defense was stacked. Imagine if they had a good QB... rings galore. 

 

In their playoff run in 2012, that D gave up nearly 30 points per game.  400 to "Matty Ice", 300 to Flacco.

 

 

 

 

[BuffaloHokie13]

37 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

 

Buddy .... let me slow this down for you. I'm referring to the value of a third round pick in that same draft.

I couldn't use the Darby pick because it was used to trade up for Edmunds. 

You might want to slow down and figure out what you're talking about

[reddogblitz]

20 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Patrick Willis retiring and Navarro Bowman blowing up his leg were what led to their downfall.

 

If Harbaugh could’ve kept that together and gotten a good QB it might have been a dynasty. 

 

Losing 2 defensive guys blew up the team.  OK.

Edited November 2, 2018 by reddogblitz

[YoloinOhio]

19 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Never was a reason to trade Mccarron. That pick will become a nobody and we will have suffered through an entire year of wasted offense and a Peterman yo-yo because of it. Mccarron would have been the starter after week 1 and everything would have fallen into place. Peterman would have probably been cut after Baltimore. Never would have lost us the Houston game. Maybe Allen never gets hurt. 

 

If the Bills HAD to trade one of the guys, they should have waited until after the regular season started and took advantage of a teams injury. Probably could have gotten more from SF if we waited. Also might have been able to get Cleveland interested. We rushed for no reason. Just constantly making ridiculous personnel decisions.

You have no idea what the pick will become. If you are convinced all 5th rounders are nobodies which is obviously incorrect as there tons across the league - Stefon Diggs comes to mind immediately, obviously our guy Milano, Kyle Williams, Richard Sherman, jordan Howard, Tyreek Hill, etc- let’s put that aside and consider the fact it’s likely the 1st pick in the 5th which can be packaged to move up to an earlier round. Or you can trade it for a player in the offseason. I have no idea how you decide this asset is worth nothing. It’s certainly worth more than AJ McCarron since we already saw what he can do. 

Edited November 2, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[yungmack]

15 hours ago, Gugny said:

Here's where I get rubbed:  Going into the season with a rookie (take Allen's name out of it) and Nathan Peterman is irresponsible.

 

There's not a football fan on the face of the earth who didn't know that Nate Peterman is not an NFL QB ... let alone a backup ... let alone a starter.

 

I don't begrudge the Bills getting rid of McCarron for a 5th.  He made it pretty clear in preseason that there was a reason he's a career backup.  I also don't begrudge them for not going after Bridgewater for the reasons outlined upstream in this thread.

 

But, Christ.  Peterman and a rookie???  Why not get Anderson in here earlier?  Or kick Barkley's tires earlier?  Or any other FA QBs out there.

 

The entire attitude taken with regard to this position (the most important in all sports) was casual.  That is a failure.

 

I won't sit here and pretend that I know what they should have done.  That's just one reason I"m sitting in my dining room typing this and not an NFL GM.  But as a football fan, I can say with certainty that going into this season with Peterman and a rookie was Bush League, inept crap.

This is precisely the "dereliction of duty" by Beane and McDermott that still muddles my head. How in the world do you go with a second year QB who obviously is horrible, with a rookie even his deepest admirers admitted was a long-term project and consider you've got the QB situation under control? Their mishandling of this one situation really undermined any remaining faith I had in their abilities as GM and HC.

3 hours ago, PIZ said:

I think it is obvious that we should have kept all of those trade up picks used on Josh Allen and just signed Nick Mullens in January 2018.  Another terrible blunder.

 

 

 

I know you're being funny but right now it looks like that would have been the smart thing to do.

[Rigotz]

3 hours ago, CountDorkula said:

 

Since 2010 the Bills have had 33 5th rd picks plus. 

Matt Milano is the only one in that 8 years that showed anything.

 

I may even give you Karlos Williams for that one year.

 

 

Thats what a 5% success rate? 

 

 

...Kyle Williams?

[Reed83HOF]

I can't get over the amount of time that has been spent discussing this. We have $50 million in deadcap this season and only 30% of our cap allocated to our offense. We are in the middle of a teardown and arguing about the value of AJ freakin McCarron being a 5th round pick. This was  a "lost" season as far as playoffs before it even began, AJ at best would get a couple more wins this year - which honestly does not do much for us, as the rest of the offense will be turned over this offseason. 

[reddogblitz]

1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said:

This was  a "lost" season as far as playoffs before it even began,

 

Sorry man, but it didn't have to be.  It was a a choice.  Can we be mad if they draft and sign FAs as ineffectively in the off season as they have the last 2?  what makes you think they will make better decisions?  they might, I'll give you that, but it's totally a wing and a prayer at this point.

[dpberr]

I think the more precise question is:

 

"What is YOUR deal with trusting Nate Peterman to win you football games?"

 

Everything this year at the QB position started with their almost arrogant confidence in Nate's ability.  

 

 

[Reed83HOF]

9 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Sorry man, but it didn't have to be.  It was a a choice.  Can we be mad if they draft and sign FAs as ineffectively in the off season as they have the last 2?  what makes you think they will make better decisions?  they might, I'll give you that, but it's totally a wing and a prayer at this point.

 

Yes it did. This team needed to be torn apart for years, it has been improperly constructed and managed for over a decade. The cap needed to be cleared up, new faces needed to come in etc. If you think simply adding Allen, with the "old" team we had with Sammy, Woods, Goodwin, Dareus etc. was going to do anything I have a bridge to sell you. We had a mismatch of players fitting various schemes on the defense and even the offense. There were too many role players and not enough elite athletes to cover for roster deficiencies and our cap situation was not in the best shape. You build around the elite athletes and fill holes after round 2 and in FA, when rookie contracts are up for the role players, trade them away or let the walk and draft/use FA to find their replacements. The elite blue chip talent will be paid and your cap will stay in decent shape. What you and other are proposing is the same BS we have been doing for years with a roster designed for 7-9 to 9-7 wins. Might as well bite the bullet and hire Jeff Fisher at that point. 

 

They have actually done fairly well in FA and even the drafts. While I did not want to pass on Mahomes (I liked him and Trubisky the best), you cannot say that Tee isn't becoming an elite shutdown corner. Micah Hyde, Poyer, Haush$, Ivory, Star, Murphy are not bad pickups. The FA signings are to plug gaps in our roster and bring in people to help the HC change and establish the culture. We did take some players on some players who didn't work out, but that happens with every team. The top 2 rounds of the drafts should always be geared towards grabbing best talent available and looking for players with elite traits and at elite game changing positions. OL is an area we need to be better in, but if you look around the league it is a league wide problem. Most OL take 2-3 years to develop nowadays due to schemes difference in the college and the NFL.This is what makes Daboll a good hire, he can help guide the young team through a more college based offensive system towards a more prostyle method...

 

When you look at all of the parts 2-3 more wins this year with AJ does nothing for you. Also with Allen, you cannot have a TT or even AJ type person who wants to start. God forbid they are a bit better with a team in a teardown with players who are buying into what the coaches are selling, you will never get him on the field; unless you want to be the Raiders, which is a team who has a coach who lost his team...

[YoloinOhio]

18 minutes ago, dpberr said:

I think the more precise question is:

 

"What is YOUR deal with trusting Nate Peterman to win you football games?"

 

Everything this year at the QB position started with their almost arrogant confidence in Nate's ability.  

 

 

Looks like they can’t wait to play him! Lots of confidence. No one has seen DA since he walked off the field Monday night but yet..

 

 

Edited November 2, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[billsfan89]

They should have kept AJ or at the very least if you are trading AJ they should have signed a veteran immediately after. The fact that this regime though that Peterman and Allen were the only QB's necessary on this roster show how horrendous they handled the QB situation.