JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/31/2018 at 9:22 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...STILL don't understand the rush for McBeaned to dump him......sure he was coming off an injury, but it didn't stop him from signing Murphy and Halftime Vontae, right?.....he has started all seven for the Bengals and Dalton has only been sacked 14 times......didn't realize our rock solid line made him expendable....... Expand He didn’t dump him. We had a replacement LT and needed capital to fill a more important position - qb. He made a business decision.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/31/2018 at 9:23 PM, John from Riverside said: I think it was like 2 years of injury wasnt it? I still didnt want to see him go Expand ...yup, but he finally opted for foot surgery in January 2018 that was deemed successful..... On 10/31/2018 at 9:24 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: He didn’t dump him. We had a replacement LT and needed capital to fill a more important position - qb. He made a business decision. Expand ...Dawkins will be fine......but his source of draft capital was misguided IMO......
John from Riverside Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/31/2018 at 9:24 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: He didn’t dump him. We had a replacement LT and needed capital to fill a more important position - qb. He made a business decision. Expand Just imagine what this OL could have looked like with Glenn at LT and Dawkins at LG......
thunderingsquid Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/31/2018 at 6:19 PM, GoBills808 said: I am not as enamored of Dawkins as are some. I think he's merely serviceable. Expand ...and is therefore our best offensive lineman. 1 2
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/31/2018 at 9:29 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...yup, but he finally opted for foot surgery in January 2018 that was deemed successful..... ...Dawkins will be fine......but his source of draft capital was misguided IMO...... Expand Where else would you have gotten it? On 10/31/2018 at 9:30 PM, John from Riverside said: Just imagine what this OL could have looked like with Glenn at LT and Dawkins at LG...... Expand What makes you say Dawkins can play LG?
John from Riverside Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/31/2018 at 9:43 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Where else would you have gotten it? What makes you say Dawkins can play LG? Expand He played it at a high level in college......he has all the attributes of a very good offensive guard...... Not just powerful....but he is a mover (but so is Teller and he hasnt even gotten a chance to play yet)
3rdand12 Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/31/2018 at 6:35 PM, Jpsredemption said: They wanted to get out of Glenns contract...you know the left tackle we had that was really good. Expand and the injury may have been nagging. But yes . the contract was likely heavily weighting the decision to move him one of my fantasies was Cordy Richie Groy miller Dawkins. I think Dawkins and Miler would have a healthy run block game and developed well together as mate. would have had them room together on campus. The left side would have held up for the pocket passer and allow rookie development having a " safe space " it was just a fantasy after all On 10/31/2018 at 8:27 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: What makes you think he would be able to make that switch? Expand natural RT. and the payday would still be decent
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/31/2018 at 9:43 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Where else would you have gotten it? Expand ..that's up to hm to decide without creating more OL holes....I'm just a dopey poster................
3rdand12 Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/31/2018 at 9:30 PM, John from Riverside said: Just imagine what this OL could have looked like with Glenn at LT and Dawkins at LG...... Expand no. that thinking makes me angry . what if Richie stayed on his meds ? lol
gordong Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) On 10/31/2018 at 6:15 PM, Rigotz said: I've seen this in a number of threads now: "We need to draft a Left Tackle #1 and move Dawkins inside because ______" Why? Everyone said the same thing about Cordy Glenn and I didn't understand that either. 1. He's the only player on our Offensive Line that has an above average PFF grade: https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/dion-dawkins/11818 2. "He's not long enough to play tackle" ... what? He has 35'' arm length, which is above average for any tackle. http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/dion-dawkins?id=2557875 3. He has ZERO help inside ... which is important, because bad guard play is making him do more iso with worse communication. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2018-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-after-week-6 Most importantly he's 24 years old. ... he can run block and pass block ... and he plays with a mean streak. Please stop this stupid narrative that we desperately need a Left Tackle. We need Wide Receivers and basically every other O-Line position first. Expand according to PFF Miller (63.2) is higher than Dawkins 61.5 soooo and Chris Ivory is the highest on Offense at 79.8... Matt Milano (80.6) and Jerry Hughes (84.0) are the only two guys on the bills rated above avg. Tre is 65.9 Rated 48th CB.... Edited October 31, 2018 by gordong
Lurker Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) On 10/31/2018 at 8:11 PM, JohnC said: Why do you assume that in a deal to move up that we would have come away with a LT Expand I'm saying we could have kept Glenn and used a 2019 draft pick in the package used to snag Allen. They created a self-inflicted wound by tossing Glenn away when there were other, less radical alternatives... On 10/31/2018 at 8:27 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: What makes you think he would be able to make that switch? Expand What makes you think he couldn't? It's a lot easier to play OG than LOT... Edited October 31, 2018 by Lurker
GunnerBill Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/31/2018 at 8:58 PM, Watkins90 said: How was McBeane supposed to know that Woods would be forced to retire and Richie would go off the deep end? Expand They couldn't have predicted Richie. I don't blame them for that. I don't even think the pay cut sent him over the edge I just think he is a troubled individual. Wood they knew about waaaaaay before they traded Glenn. On 10/31/2018 at 10:45 PM, Lurker said: What makes you think he couldn't? It's a lot easier to play OG than LOT... Expand I think he was talking about the difference between left tackle and right tackle. He can play Left tackle and I am convinced he would be an excellent LG. I don't think he can play on the right side - his movements just look horribly unnatural that side.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/31/2018 at 6:21 PM, Paulus said: That said, Dawkins is solid, young, and there are not many people who think that LT is a position of need (outside of OL depth, that is). Expand We don't need OL depth, we need an OL
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/31/2018 at 11:03 PM, GunnerBill said: They couldn't have predicted Richie. I don't blame them for that. I don't even think the pay cut sent him over the edge I just think he is a troubled individual. Wood they knew about waaaaaay before they traded Glenn. I think he was talking about the difference between left tackle and right tackle. He can play Left tackle and I am convinced he would be an excellent LG. I don't think he can play on the right side - his movements just look horribly unnatural that side. Expand ...wish I could remember who said it.....but someone said asking an OL to switch sides is analagous to asking a right handed QB to throw left handed......too bad an OL guru poster like Shaunta 53 disappeared to comment.........
Charles Romes Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 He's good enough that we should go Quarterback again next year early in round 1.
purple haze Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/31/2018 at 6:35 PM, Jpsredemption said: They wanted to get out of Glenns contract...you know the left tackle we had that was really good. Expand They wanted to get out from under his injuries-- which made paying the money an issue to them. It also allowed them a chip to use to get a QB. Time will tell if that was a smart strategy. 1
TigerJ Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 I'm not advocating the replacement of Dawkins, but I think if the Bills had an opportunity to sign/draft a top notch left tackle, it could certainly work to kick him inside or to right tackle.
Jpsredemption Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 On 10/31/2018 at 6:38 PM, John from Riverside said: He WAS good till he started taking on injuries. I would not have moved him because when he is healthy he is was one of the under rated LT's of the league......but I understand why he was moved. You dont just replace those guys though that is why conflicted when we moved him. Expand Well we finally agree on something. Hell has frozen over lol. On 10/31/2018 at 11:49 PM, purple haze said: They wanted to get out from under his injuries-- which made paying the money an issue to them. It also allowed them a chip to use to get a QB. Time will tell if that was a smart strategy. Expand Jason Peters has been injured a lot. Have the Eagles tried to ship him out of town? .. that example has nothing to do with the Bills btw...bc they also botched his situation...they could've had him for over a decade!
uticaclub Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 On 10/31/2018 at 11:49 PM, purple haze said: They wanted to get out from under his injuries-- which made paying the money an issue to them. It also allowed them a chip to use to get a QB. Time will tell if that was a smart strategy. Expand It would have been fine if they got Darnold or Mayfield
Teddy KGB Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 On 10/31/2018 at 6:35 PM, Jpsredemption said: They wanted to get out of Glenns contract...you know the left tackle we had that was really good. Expand Really injured too
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