Schivao case beginning to split GOP :

[Losman-McGahee-Evans]

Maybe finally my party is beginning to realize that being the party that governs as a religious theocracy versus via the constitution will result in only short term victories while likely making us a minority extremist party for the long term.

 

"Senator John W. Warner of Virginia, the sole Republican to oppose the Schiavo bill in a voice vote in the Senate, said: "This senator has learned from many years you've got to separate your own emotions from the duty to support the Constitution of this country. These are fundamental principles of federalism."

"It looks as if it's a wholly Republican exercise," Mr. Warner said, "but in the ranks of the Republican Party, there is not a unanimous view that Congress should be taking this step."

 

In interviews over the past two days, conservatives who expressed concern about the turn of events in Congress stopped short of condemning the vote in which overwhelming majorities supported the Schiavo bill, and they generally applauded the goal of trying to keep Ms. Schiavo alive. But they said they were concerned about what precedent had been set and said the vote went against Republicans who were libertarian, advocates of states' rights or supporters of individual rights.

 

"My party is demonstrating that they are for states' rights unless they don't like what states are doing," said Representative Christopher Shays of Connecticut, one of five House Republicans who voted against the bill. "This couldn't be a more classic case of a state responsibility."

 

"This Republican Party of Lincoln has become a party of theocracy," Mr. Shays said. "There are going to be repercussions from this vote. There are a number of people who feel that the government is getting involved in their personal lives in a way that scares them."

 

This post is for people like Alaska Darin, JoeSixPack et al who loudly yell that I'm not really a Republican because I believe (Along with Sen. Warner, McCain and Rep. Shays and the other Republicans who voted against this) in REAL Republicna values and recognize that this is simply a party who is manipulating the emotions of a family for a brief political advantage. What the people who moronicly accuse me of not being a Republican don't realize is that as the American people read the GOP stategy memo on how to maximize the imapct of this stunt or hear the tape out today of Friday's conversation with evangelical big money donors saying that he "delivered the Schiavo girl for you now you've got to deliver help for my defense fund against the indictment when it comes (The grand jury indictment that is coming from the TRMPAC investigation)".

 

It took us less than 10 years as the majority party to become more corrupt than the Democratic party took over 40 to become. This just isn't Bush or Delay or Armey or Hastert or Frist or Santorum's fault. Its people who either do not care to realize what is happening or aren't able to understand it. Win at all costs doesn't work long term in sports and it doesn't work in life nor politics. Its sad that people have to learn that at the expense of an enitre party's future.

 

Additionally, don't bother complaining to me about this opinion. Call Sen. Warner and the others who don't agree with you and tell them they're not really Republicans.

[nobody]

This is just another example of why it is not a good idea for one party to be in control of all the branches of govt. No matter what good intentions they had when they started the power will corrupt.

[BillsNYC]

As I said in a post yesterday....this isn't dividing liberals and republicans...its dividing republicans and right wing nuts.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Maybe finally my party is beginning to realize that being the party that governs as a religious theocracy versus via the constitution will result in only short term victories while likely making us a minority extremist party for the long term.

 

"Senator John W. Warner of Virginia, the sole Republican to oppose the Schiavo bill in a voice vote in the Senate, said: "This senator has learned from many years you've got to separate your own emotions from the duty to support the Constitution of this country. These are fundamental principles of federalism."

"It looks as if it's a wholly Republican exercise," Mr. Warner said, "but in the ranks of the Republican Party, there is not a unanimous view that Congress should be taking this step."

 

In interviews over the past two days, conservatives who expressed concern about the turn of events in Congress stopped short of condemning the vote in which overwhelming majorities supported the Schiavo bill, and they generally applauded the goal of trying to keep Ms. Schiavo alive. But they said they were concerned about what precedent had been set and said the vote went against Republicans who were libertarian, advocates of states' rights or supporters of individual rights.

 

"My party is demonstrating that they are for states' rights unless they don't like what states are doing," said Representative Christopher Shays of Connecticut, one of five House Republicans who voted against the bill. "This couldn't be a more classic case of a state responsibility."

 

"This Republican Party of Lincoln has become a party of theocracy," Mr. Shays said. "There are going to be repercussions from this vote. There are a number of people who feel that the government is getting involved in their personal lives in a way that scares them."

 

This post is for people like Alaska Darin, JoeSixPack et al who loudly yell that I'm not really a Republican because I believe (Along with Sen. Warner, McCain and Rep. Shays and the other Republicans who voted against this) in REAL Republicna values and recognize that this is simply a party who is manipulating the emotions of a family for a brief political advantage.  What the people who moronicly accuse me of not being a Republican don't realize is that as the American people read the GOP stategy memo on how to maximize the imapct of this stunt or hear the tape out today of Friday's conversation with evangelical big money donors saying that he "delivered the Schiavo girl for you now you've got to deliver help for my defense fund against the indictment when it comes (The grand jury indictment that is coming from the TRMPAC investigation)".

 

It took us less than 10 years as the majority party to become more corrupt than the Democratic party took over 40 to become.  This just isn't Bush or Delay or Armey or Hastert or Frist or Santorum's fault.  Its people who either do not care to realize what is happening or aren't able to understand it.  Win at all costs doesn't work long term in sports and it doesn't work in life nor politics.  Its sad that people have to learn that at the expense of an enitre party's future.

 

Additionally, don't bother complaining to me about this opinion.  Call Sen. Warner and the others who don't agree with you and tell them they're not really Republicans.

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no, what makes you not a real republican is you insistence that Tax and Spend philosophies are actually successful.

 

That, you ignoramus, makes you a democrat.

 

McCain is a Democrat in Republican's clothing. So much so the Dims actually WANTED him for a Veep candidate.

[Losman-McGahee-Evans]

no, what makes you not a real republican is you insistence that Tax and Spend philosophies are actually successful.

 

That, you ignoramus, makes you a democrat.

 

McCain is a Democrat in Republican's clothing. So much so the Dims actually WANTED him for a Veep candidate.

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Taxing and spending makes me a Democrat? After his first tax cut as President, Ronald Reagan signed into law THE LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN AMERICAN HISTORY. He's also a tax and spend Republican which I guess makes him a Democrat as well but only if you're a complete idiot who can't think past cliches like "tax and spend". McCain may be a Democrat in Republican clothing but HE REFUSED TO BE KERRY'S VP. Just because you are asked to kill someone doesn't make you a murderer does it? At least in your world it does.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Taxing and spending makes me a Democrat?  After his first tax cut as President, Ronald Reagan signed into law THE LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN AMERICAN HISTORY.  He's also a tax and spend Republican which I guess makes him a Democrat as well but only if you're a complete idiot who can't think past cliches like "tax and spend".  McCain may be a Democrat in Republican clothing but HE REFUSED TO BE KERRY'S VP. Just because you are asked to kill someone doesn't make you a murderer does it?  At least in your world it does.

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Oh, the selective memory. Reagan ALSO initiated the single largest tax CUT, you buffoon.

 

You're no Reagan republican. Hell, you're not even a Nixon or Ford republican.

 

Keep deluding yourself, though. Just make sure you're on the Rainbow Coalition's mailing list. Wouldn't want to miss out on any important talking points.

[Losman-McGahee-Evans]

Oh, the selective memory. Reagan ALSO initiated the single largest tax CUT, you buffoon.

 

You're no Reagan republican. Hell, you're not even a Nixon or Ford republican.

 

Keep deluding yourself, though. Just make sure you're on the Rainbow Coalition's mailing list. Wouldn't want to miss out on any important talking points.

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Selective memory? HOW ABOUT READING MY POST, RAY CHARLES?

 

"After his first tax cut as President, Ronald Reagan signed into law THE LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN AMERICAN HISTORY. "

 

The great thing about being told I'm not a Republican by you is that you're too ignorant to understand that I (Along with Reagan and Warner and McCain and Shays and others) are indeed Republicans. You're being led by a Federalist who is telling people that he's a Republican and you are too stupid to understand the difference between the two.

[KRC]

This is going nowhere.