Brandon Beane deserves to be fired tomorrow

[ColoradoBills]

4 hours ago, boater said:

Yes.. that was a Whaley era failing.

 

Who is the dude who administered contracts? I forget his name. Oberdorfer, or something like that?

 

Anyway, I feel like the staff that ran contract talks was operating without Doug's supervision. They gave away the store--almost every contract was overly in the player's favor. We're still paying the penalty this year. It will be nice to be out of cap hell next year.

 

OTH, If Doug was behind those excessive contracts--shame on him.

 

Jim Overdorf negotiates the contracts and is still with the team.  He was a very controversial figure.

It was well established that Whaley and now Beane as GM have final approval of the contracts.

 

4 hours ago, Success said:

It’s weird.  I actually have more faith in Beane at this point.

 

It takes some courage to go all in like this.  I think a lot of teams try to do more if a half-measure rebuild.  I think Beane has a longer view, and isn’t concerned about pretending that we’re competitive while he makes moves that are necessary but painful.

 

If it works out and we get the pieces we need in the  offseason for a lengthy run, he could go down as one of our best GMs.  

 

FWIW I think the same thing.  They were very meticulous on the defensive side (which seems to be working) and took a lot of chances and had a lot of hope on the offensive

side.  A lot of "plans" on the O side did not work out but I think they knew it will all come down to this coming offseason to determine

whether or not they have "success" (pun intended).

 

Here's to trusting they make the right selections on O.

[LSHMEAB]

From an organizational standpoint, I would guess they're most surprised/disappointed in the inability to establish a strong run game.

 

I really feel like they went into the season expecting to pound the rock and play strong defense. I'm not sure if that's an Daboll, the OL, or Shady. I would be inclined to think it's mostly on Daboll and his run schemes.

 

Whatever you may think of conservative football, it's not going to work with such a weak ground attack.

 

 

[reddogblitz]

5 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Tre White....one of the best corners in the league.....AND a first round pick vs Mahomme/Watson

 

Lets at least get it straight

 

The Tredavian Nightmare is one of my favorite Bills, but I would trade him heads up for Watson or Mahomes in 1/2 of a New York heartbeat.

[John from Riverside]

Just now, reddogblitz said:

 

The Tredavian Nightmare is one of my favorite Bills, but I would trade him heads up for Watson or Mahomes in 1/2 of a New York heartbeat.

Right at this moment you would.......sure

 

Lets see if you feel the same about it next year

[reddogblitz]

5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Right at this moment you would.......sure

 

Lets see if you feel the same about it next year

 

When the Bills came up at number 10 in 2017 I yelled at my TV "TAKE WATSON" so there is no armchairing going on here for me.

 

You're right though. We will see ...

[Fadingpain]

3 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

From an organizational standpoint, I would guess they're most surprised/disappointed in the inability to establish a strong run game.

 

I really feel like they went into the season expecting to pound the rock and play strong defense. I'm not sure if that's an Daboll, the OL, or Shady. I would be inclined to think it's mostly on Daboll and his run schemes.

 

Whatever you may think of conservative football, it's not going to work with such a weak ground attack.

 

 

That approach isn't going to work straight up.

When was the last time you saw a team play lights out D, pound the rock, and beat New England 13-10?

 

It doesn't happen! You gotta be able to run with the big dogs and outscore the teams that score at will.

 

 

[LSHMEAB]

10 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

That approach isn't going to work straight up.

When was the last time you saw a team play lights out D, pound the rock, and beat New England 13-10?

 

It doesn't happen! You gotta be able to run with the big dogs and outscore the teams that score at will.

 

 

I wasn't saying it was a good strategy. It's a given that McD is a conservative HC.

 

What I am saying is that if I had to guess, I'd guess they're most blindsided by the inability to establish the run. If they could do that, they would at least be competitive in most games. I will concede to the optimists that they knew this would not be a GREAT season. I don't for a second believe they envisioned it being THIS awful.

 

The idea that they knew they'd get blown out on a weekly basis and that this is some kind of master plan strikes me as absurd.

Edited November 4, 2018 by LSHMEAB

[reddogblitz]

51 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

That approach isn't going to work straight up.

When was the last time you saw a team play lights out D, pound the rock, and beat New England 13-10?

 

It doesn't happen! You gotta be able to run with the big dogs and outscore the teams that score at will.

 

 

 

We could still make the playoffs and even win the division even if we went 0-2 against them.  I'm not that concerned with  building my team to beat them because they cheat and the refs help them. And I'm100% serious about that. That, and I know I think this every year, but their stranglehold on the division won t last much longer.

 

I of course want to win the division but for just want us to concentrate on getting back to playoffs as WC.

Edited November 4, 2018 by reddogblitz

[Boatdrinks]

12 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

We could still make the playoffs and even win the division even if we went 0-2 against them.  I'm not that concerned with  building my team to beat them because they cheat and the refs help them. And I'm100% serious about that. That, and I know I think this every year, but their stranglehold on the division won t last much longer.

 

 

 You know, I think this every year too. But then , I’m fully expecting a rule change that allows Brady to play while seated on a souped- up Hoveround. 

[Jrb1979]

12 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

We could still make the playoffs and even win the division even if we went 0-2 against them.  I'm not that concerned with  building my team to beat them because they cheat and the refs help them. And I'm100% serious about that. That, and I know I think this every year, but their stranglehold on the division won t last much longer.

 

I of course want to win the division but for just want us to concentrate on getting back to playoffs as WC.

Playing conservative football doesn't work anymore. Sorry to tell you but the top teams all can score at will. You don't win by running the ball and playing field position. 

[reddogblitz]

23 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Playing conservative football doesn't work anymore. Sorry to tell you but the top teams all can score at will. You don't win by running the ball and playing field position. 

 

We made the playoffs last year and came within a TD from advancing and would have probably the year before if Rex could coach D.  Pair this D with Rex's #1 rushing offense teams (which was top 1/3 in league in scoring btw) and we'd be contenders.

 

I'm not saying run a 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense. But we don't have to tank and cry woe is us if we don't have a QB like Drew Brees on our team either.

 

Jaguars didn't have a high powered offense last year and they made it to AFC championship game. Titans didn't either and they won a playoff game.  (before you ask, after what we've been through the last 20 years, yes, I would be very satisfied with that). 

 

Final 4 QB last year were Foles, Tommy, Case, and Blake freakin' Bortles.  All four had top 5 Ds.

 

 

 

[GreggTX]

LMAO!! Hire the guy to clear all the overpaid underperformers and replace them. then fire him before he can replace them. Sounds like a great plan for failure.

[oldmanfan]

5 days later.  No firing.   I'll just keep counting I guess.

[Coach Tuesday]

6 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

5 days later.  No firing.   I'll just keep counting I guess.

 

You keep doing your thing old man - it’s the same tired routine every post.

 

Meanwhile, Beane deserved to be fired on Wednesday and he still deserves it.  This season is no one’s “plan” - it’s a disgrace.  These rookie owners should stop hiring rookie GMs.

[The Now Moment]

On 10/30/2018 at 7:38 AM, Coach Tuesday said:

 

B.S.

 

This is no "process."  There is no way that this level of offensive ineptitude was PLANNED.  

Dude, you do know that the starting QB is out with injury...with him we were 2-2.  Competitive.  Of course our backup isn't playing as good as the starter.  What did you expect?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Everyone agreeing with Coach Tuesday in this thread:

 

[mannc]

22 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Right at this moment you would.......sure

 

Lets see if you feel the same about it next year

The idea you keep peddling in order to prop up the McBeane administration, that Watson or especially Mahomes might be flashes in the pan, is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen posted on this board. Please don’t stop...

[jrober38]

The Process isn't working.

 

You can't field the worst NFL offense from the past 20 years and not fire either your GM or HC. 

[Best Player Available]

On 11/3/2018 at 4:56 PM, stuvian said:

Beane's addiction to Nathan Peterman might cost us the season. Whereas if we had a serviceable veteran QB all through camp we might still be competitive. Still, firing him would relegate us to Cleveland browns status - a predicament it only took 19 years to crawl out of. Canning him would destabilize us and badly. He's done more right than wrong 

I don't know if it's Beane on the Peterman thing.

He did not draft him. I would push blame towards the HC. 

[Phil The Thrill]

On 10/30/2018 at 7:34 AM, Coach Tuesday said:

The systematic dismantling of one of the Bills' highest-producing offenses in franchise history, replacing it over two years with what is shaping up to be statistically the worst offense in the modern era - an incredible feat when you consider that offenses are scoring points at a record pace - cannot go unpunished.

 

Brandon Beane gutted the offense and has failed to draft or acquire a single quality player on that side of the ball.

 

Not one.

 

The 2017 WR group was the worst in the NFL - and they did absolutely nothing - NOTHING - to upgrade it.

 

The lack of talent on offense predictably led to the highly-invested QB getting seriously injured.  

 

There is no excuse for this - none.  Don't tell me they're "tanking" - no team tanks the year AFTER drafting their franchise QB.

 

Don't tell me they have cap problems and are "rebuilding" - those problems are self-imposed, and even if they were sound decisions (which is dubious), there is no excuse for failing to even attempt to acquire playmakers during the offseason.  Find some speedy gadget WRs and a James White-type scat back who can create mismatches.  Find me one - ONE tight end who can BLOCK, let alone occasionally get open and catch a pass.  Find me a guard who can move laterally without running into his own guys, or a right tackle who can at least attempt to execute a cut block without taking himself, and only himself, out of the play...

 

This offense is a shambles and it absolutely positively did not have to be.  No one expected this team to contend for the Super Bowl this season but fans act like there is nothing in between a Lombardi and the first overall draft pick - it just ain't so.

 

Brandon Beane's "solutions" at WR have included trading up for Zay Jones (if you want to put that draft on him - fine with me if you don't), trading Watkins, trading for Kelvin Benjamin, trading for Jordan Matthews, trading for Corey Coleman, signing Jeremy Kerley.

 

I would let Beane spend the day working the trade wire and, come 4:01 p.m., if the roster is not upgraded for 2019, I would fire him.  Why wait?  I suppose you could do the Bills-y thing and wait until Beane squanders $80M in salary cap room and 8 draft picks, but why saddle the next GM with that?  Get a head start now - once the trade deadline has come and gone, there really isn't much more for the GM to do until the offseason.  Now is the time to make the change.

 

And for those of you who want to tell me that it's really McD calling the shots - fine.  This will put him on notice.  He has no business making personnel decisions and screw the Pegulas for their nonsensical org chart - they want to piss away their $1B business, I guess that's their right.  They are clueless.  If they understood accountability, they'd tell McDermott he's going to be judged based upon Juan Castillo and David Culley and the rest of the bogus offensive coaching staff that McD hired.  But they probably won't.

 

Fire Beane, do it tomorrow morning, rip the bandaid off and move forward.

 

Not gonna happen anything soon...keep venting but he is the Bills GM for at least 1 year...maybe moore