jahnyc Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 I strongly disagree with posters who state that this was all planned or this is part of the rebuild process. No one, including the Pegulas, signed up for this level of ineptitude on offense or the manner in which the roster on the offensive side was stripped and then not addressed in free agency or through the draft. It is not fair to the fans or the players on defense, and I don't see how you can have a cohesive team under these circumstances. The offense is not fixable in one offseason, and it could take years with so many upgrades that are needed. In many ways, that is the most frustrating part of all of this (the long road ahead). As to the original post in this tread, I do not disagree that Beane deserves to be fired for this mess and the way it was created and the prospects for a long repair process. He was inexperienced, and it has showed in a number of ways, including the complete mismanagement of the QB position, poor player personnel assessment and the poor trades (e.g., Darby, Glenn and Benjamin). I don't think Beane will be fired, but he has made a strong case for that happening. 3 1
Gunsgoodtime Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Yes. I'm sure 10 ppg and the worst QB play in the history of the game was all planned. Just shut up and trust the process until they inevitably get fired. This
BeginnersMind Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Azucho98 said: What he did with the QB position at the end of pre-season alone should get him fired. How can you go into the season with a rookie, and a very shaky 1 year vet as the only QB's on the roster? That is beyond stupidity. Deapite my defense of the process and knowing this season would be a cluster, I agree 100% with this. Beane and McD totally botched the QB situation. It should have been Allen plus starting mentor. Anderson with a camp, frankly, would have been fine. But the belief in McCarron who we all saw was atrocious and Peterman who is the worst ever, is cause for concern. They do do very well on defense so I’m hoping it’s a blip.
nucci Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 14 minutes ago, TonyBeets said: I don't think people are saying that being this bad on offense was a part of the process. They're saying that this rebuild on offense was planned. Maybe they didn't expect to be so bad, but they did expect to be bad. Just look what we have on offense, do you think they expected to be good? why didn't they get better players, then? 1
Rob's House Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 25 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: The systematic dismantling of one of the Bills' highest-producing offenses in franchise history, replacing it over two years with what is shaping up to be statistically the worst offense in the modern era - an incredible feat when you consider that offenses are scoring points at a record pace - cannot go unpunished. Brandon Beane gutted the offense and has failed to draft or acquire a single quality player on that side of the ball. Not one. The 2017 WR group was the worst in the NFL - and they did absolutely nothing - NOTHING - to upgrade it. The lack of talent on offense predictably led to the highly-invested QB getting seriously injured. There is no excuse for this - none. Don't tell me they're "tanking" - no team tanks the year AFTER drafting their franchise QB. Don't tell me they have cap problems and are "rebuilding" - those problems are self-imposed, and even if they were sound decisions (which is dubious), there is no excuse for failing to even attempt to acquire playmakers during the offseason. Find some speedy gadget WRs and a James White-type scat back who can create mismatches. Find me one - ONE tight end who can BLOCK, let alone occasionally get open and catch a pass. Find me a guard who can move laterally without running into his own guys, or a right tackle who can at least attempt to execute a cut block without taking himself, and only himself, out of the play... This offense is a shambles and it absolutely positively did not have to be. No one expected this team to contend for the Super Bowl this season but fans act like there is nothing in between a Lombardi and the first overall draft pick - it just ain't so. Brandon Beane's "solutions" at WR have included trading up for Zay Jones (if you want to put that draft on him - fine with me if you don't), trading Watkins, trading for Kelvin Benjamin, trading for Jordan Matthews, trading for Corey Coleman, signing Jeremy Kerley. I would let Beane spend the day working the trade wire and, come 4:01 p.m., if the roster is not upgraded for 2019, I would fire him. Why wait? I suppose you could do the Bills-y thing and wait until Beane squanders $80M in salary cap room and 8 draft picks, but why saddle the next GM with that? Get a head start now - once the trade deadline has come and gone, there really isn't much more for the GM to do until the offseason. Now is the time to make the change. And for those of you who want to tell me that it's really McD calling the shots - fine. This will put him on notice. He has no business making personnel decisions and screw the Pegulas for their nonsensical org chart - they want to piss away their $1B business, I guess that's their right. They are clueless. If they understood accountability, they'd tell McDermott he's going to be judged based upon Juan Castillo and David Culley and the rest of the bogus offensive coaching staff that McD hired. But they probably won't. Fire Beane, do it tomorrow morning, rip the bandaid off and move forward. You are such a Wednesday.
Coach Tuesday Posted October 30, 2018 Author Posted October 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, jahnyc said: I strongly disagree with posters who state that this was all planned or this is part of the rebuild process. No one, including the Pegulas, signed up for this level of ineptitude on offense or the manner in which the roster on the offensive side was stripped and then not addressed in free agency or through the draft. It is not fair to the fans or the players on defense, and I don't see how you can have a cohesive team under these circumstances. The offense is not fixable in one offseason, and it could take years with so many upgrades that are needed. In many ways, that is the most frustrating part of all of this (the long road ahead). As to the original post in this tread, I do not disagree that Beane deserves to be fired for this mess and the way it was created and the prospects for a long repair process. He was inexperienced, and it has showed in a number of ways, including the complete mismanagement of the QB position, poor player personnel assessment and the poor trades (e.g., Darby, Glenn and Benjamin). I don't think Beane will be fired, but he has made a strong case for that happening. Read Shady's post-game quotes. Think he signed up for this level of ineptitude? Honestly, I should've just written, "Fire Beane: Nate Peterman is still on the roster." That alone...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 OP has never managed anyone or anything, at least of substance..
Gunsgoodtime Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 14 minutes ago, Greybeard said: Look who they traded away or chose not to sign. They virtually declared they would have no offense. They were suppose to have a top 3 pick last year but screwed it up. That forced them to spend all their draft capital for Allen. They probably preached the "Good Tank" to the Pegula's. Look competitive while losing close games. Keeps the fan base involved. Now they have to hope for a top 3 pick and a trade down to obtain as many starters as they possible can. Gruden has started to do the same thing. Where is the look competitive part? We might not win another game, and blowouts are a almost a weekly event 1
Coach Tuesday Posted October 30, 2018 Author Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, N.Y. Orangeman said: OP has never managed anyone or anything, at least of substance.. Not true at all. Brandon Beane is the General Manager of a $1B business and has systematically run half of its personnel side into the ground in a less than two year period. By what metrics does he deserve to keep his job? Edited October 30, 2018 by Coach Tuesday
CommonCents Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: Read Shady's post-game quotes. Think he signed up for this level of ineptitude? Honestly, I should've just written, "Fire Beane: Nate Peterman is still on the roster." That alone... Signed up for this? Yes he signed a contract that pays him to play football. Next question.
Coach Tuesday Posted October 30, 2018 Author Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Commonsense said: Signed up for this? Yes he signed a contract that pays him to play football. Next question. You really should change your screen name. 1
Bob in STL Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) On 10/30/2018 at 6:34 AM, Coach Tuesday said: The systematic dismantling of one of the Bills' highest-producing offenses in franchise history, replacing it over two years with what is shaping up to be statistically the worst offense in the modern era - an incredible feat when you consider that offenses are scoring points at a record pace - cannot go unpunished. .... .... .... .... Fire Beane, do it tomorrow morning, rip the bandaid off and move forward. You lost my in line 1. High producing offense - classic example of revisionist history. Yes right, Tyron Taylor and his prolific scoring machine Not at all happy with the off season moves either, the team is a mess, but really the offense was not great before McBeane. Edited November 4, 2018 by Bob in STL 2 1
Greybeard Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said: Where is the look competitive part? We might not win another game, and blowouts are a almost a weekly event That is where they screwed up. They thought they could ride Peterman and the D from last year to close game loses. But with Peterman's int's that just doesn't work out. It is sad to say but every win they get this year, makes them less competitive in the future. They need a top three pick and multiple trade down to get enough players to compete. Last night, It was interesting to hear Thomas say the names of the linemen he had in front of him. Amazing what talent was there. I can't understand how we have gone through 20 years of organization without the organization realizing the game starts with linemen. Not a sexy choice but it is reality. 1
oldmanfan Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 39 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: The systematic dismantling of one of the Bills' highest-producing offenses in franchise history, replacing it over two years with what is shaping up to be statistically the worst offense in the modern era - an incredible feat when you consider that offenses are scoring points at a record pace - cannot go unpunished. Brandon Beane gutted the offense and has failed to draft or acquire a single quality player on that side of the ball. Not one. The 2017 WR group was the worst in the NFL - and they did absolutely nothing - NOTHING - to upgrade it. The lack of talent on offense predictably led to the highly-invested QB getting seriously injured. There is no excuse for this - none. Don't tell me they're "tanking" - no team tanks the year AFTER drafting their franchise QB. Don't tell me they have cap problems and are "rebuilding" - those problems are self-imposed, and even if they were sound decisions (which is dubious), there is no excuse for failing to even attempt to acquire playmakers during the offseason. Find some speedy gadget WRs and a James White-type scat back who can create mismatches. Find me one - ONE tight end who can BLOCK, let alone occasionally get open and catch a pass. Find me a guard who can move laterally without running into his own guys, or a right tackle who can at least attempt to execute a cut block without taking himself, and only himself, out of the play... This offense is a shambles and it absolutely positively did not have to be. No one expected this team to contend for the Super Bowl this season but fans act like there is nothing in between a Lombardi and the first overall draft pick - it just ain't so. Brandon Beane's "solutions" at WR have included trading up for Zay Jones (if you want to put that draft on him - fine with me if you don't), trading Watkins, trading for Kelvin Benjamin, trading for Jordan Matthews, trading for Corey Coleman, signing Jeremy Kerley. I would let Beane spend the day working the trade wire and, come 4:01 p.m., if the roster is not upgraded for 2019, I would fire him. Why wait? I suppose you could do the Bills-y thing and wait until Beane squanders $80M in salary cap room and 8 draft picks, but why saddle the next GM with that? Get a head start now - once the trade deadline has come and gone, there really isn't much more for the GM to do until the offseason. Now is the time to make the change. And for those of you who want to tell me that it's really McD calling the shots - fine. This will put him on notice. He has no business making personnel decisions and screw the Pegulas for their nonsensical org chart - they want to piss away their $1B business, I guess that's their right. They are clueless. If they understood accountability, they'd tell McDermott he's going to be judged based upon Juan Castillo and David Culley and the rest of the bogus offensive coaching staff that McD hired. But they probably won't. Fire Beane, do it tomorrow morning, rip the bandaid off and move forward. I hope your rant helps you feel better. Now for reality: Beane is not getting fired tomorrow. 1
CommonCents Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: You really should change your screen name. Coach Tuesday certainly checks out. Anything else coach or can I go run my laps? The roster has been mishandled for years, they are trying to fix it. Beane has shown some foresight since being hired. Which is an improvement in itself. There is plenty of things wrong right now at OBD but I don’t think firing them at this point accomplishes anything. They trusted these two to reset the roster and that’s what has been done. It it would be easier to swallow if Daboll had a better history as an OC or young QB mentor. Or if they didn’t bring in lazy KB. Or if they didn’t screw up with Nate P. The leash will be short heading into year 3 but firing them now is a bad idea. I have been saying it for weeks, replace Daboll with Ben McAdoo.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 19 minutes ago, ALF said: I still want Castillo replaced asap. ..I want him promoted to the dual role of GM/HC......all problems solved............
oldmanfan Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 24 minutes ago, Azucho98 said: What he did with the QB position at the end of pre-season alone should get him fired. How can you go into the season with a rookie, and a very shaky 1 year vet as the only QB's on the roster? That is beyond stupidity. So let's say they have Anderson from the time they traded McCarron, which I agre they should have done - gotten a vet in earlier. Hos exactly would that have changed things?
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 34 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Seriously - I cannot fathom that so many people believe this chaos and incompetence was all part of some grand design. It's almost like dogma... I feel as though everyone on the board saw it coming, the national commentators saw it coming, etc. You really set yourself up for this. I literally feel exactly how I thought it would feel going into the year. And I have always been comfortable with the plan. A plan I always knew was coming. You are being super dramatic. 3
Doc Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 Save this thread for next year around this time. 1
Recommended Posts