ctk232 Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 6 hours ago, MikeSpeed said: The first pick will be a DT. Kyle will be gone, and our defensive minded coach will want to replace him. I know I know we got Philips this year. I don't care. Any excuse to draft D line will be taken advantage of. I wouldn't be surprised if the first 2 picks are on the D side. Also don't be surprised if RB isn't taken in day 2. If it's high enough for Oliver or Bosa why not? Top 5 picks usually go BPA, unless you need a QB or trade down. While I'd love to see Harry or AJ drafted in the 2nd, or late 1st if we trade down, and we certainly need OL, spending a top pick on either of those two wouldn't be all that terrible. While it's not the team's top need, our DL doesn't get much pressure beyond Hughes and Williams/JPhillips, one of which may not be here next year.
The Senator Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 If it’s not Jonah Williams, then we should take LT Trey Adams from Washington- I’m fine with either one. 1
Soda Popinski Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 33 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: Look there is plenty of room for failure in drafting. So if they are smart.. IN free agency they get 1-2 good starting offensive lineman and 1-2 good wide receivers same with draft. This is how you secure your talented positions. Didn't think our Defense was is the problem.. Thought the problem.. or at least what you have stated in past is OL WR. How we planning to fix that if we ignore those positions early in draft/ especially the line.. On defense, if you aren't getting better, you are getting worse. You have to improve the defense every year or it degrades quickly. But beyond the one pick top 5, I would go all offense with the rest of the picks in rounds 2-4. Then whatever needs we have from 5-7
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 31, 2018 Author Posted October 31, 2018 13 hours ago, John from Riverside said: It is a smart play because you can play Jonah at LT....move Dawkins to LG....and you have fixed one side of this horrible offensive line Dawkins has definitely let some guys right on by this year. Guard might be his best option. 13 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: Absolutely. Oliver as well. Outside of those two, I’m happy if the Bills trade down. after watching Bosa and Oliver , Bosa looks like a much better player. 13 hours ago, The Senator said: If it’s not Jonah Williams, then we should take LT Trey Adams from Washington- I’m fine with either one. With him not playing all year I wonder if we can get him latter. I'm also hoping for those Wisconsin boys in the middle.
HuSeYiN_NYC Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 22 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Me too if we can't get a tackle I probably go WR. Really like DK Metcalf if he comes out. Haven't noticed him yet but haven't watched much Oklahoma this year. Please tell me he comes with out the OBJ mental disorders and Divaism?? Just looked him up and no way in the first, guy is a midget. We need a complete WR who can come everything. Bro if he plays like OBJ at all he can be all the diva he wants to be. This locker room NEEDS people like OBJ to call a turd a turd... I'm over this brotherly love crap they got going on in the locker room... fingers need to be pointed n people need to be held accountable. Even when that negativity happens, I can still picture McDermott clapping.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 31, 2018 Author Posted October 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, HuSeYiN_NYC said: Bro if he plays like OBJ at all he can be all the diva he wants to be. This locker room NEEDS people like OBJ to call a turd a turd... I'm over this brotherly love crap they got going on in the locker room... fingers need to be pointed n people need to be held accountable. Even when that negativity happens, I can still picture McDermott clapping. No we don't . OBJ is an immature child and a cancer. and this kid isn't that good. Would you really want to spend a first on a guy who is 5'10" 157 ??? Dude is a munchkin, not happening. 1
ghostwriter Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: No we don't . OBJ is an immature child and a cancer. and this kid isn't that good. Would you really want to spend a first on a guy who is 5'10" 157 ??? Dude is a munchkin, not happening. It says he's 168lbs, he just needs to add 10-12lbs. Desean Jackson did okay at a similar size as did Antonio Brown and OBJ. If I was Buffalo I'd be targeting Tavon Austin this off-season, between Zay, Marquise and Tavon we'd be in good shape I think.
GunnerBill Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 21 hours ago, H2o said: It all depends on FA. Do we really pass on Bosa or Oliver if the opportunity is there though? I for one hope not. It would be like passing on Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald imo. That is the type of talent level these guys have. A lot of things can happen between now and then. We'll see how things start shaping up come early April. Agree.
GunnerBill Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 16 hours ago, wppete said: Ive watched him play a lot. He looks more like a guard and could be an elite guard. His lack of length is a huge concern. I agree, and I think we already have one of those in Dawkins (passable, league average LT could be elite at LG). I am in favour of the get a new LT and slide Dawkins inside idea. That would be my "plan A" on the offensive line. Just not sure I see Jonah as that guy to be a big upgrade on the outside. Nor do I see a huge amount of help at LT in free agency. There is a reaonably good group of interior OL available in FA and a handful of upgrades at RT. Therefore you might have to be prepared to shift to my "plan B" which is spend my FA $$s on a center, a guard and a right tackle, leave Dawkins where he is and then draft a young tackle somewhere in the mid rounds who you can try and develop behind Dawkins and your new RT as a swing guy in the first instance. If your line looked something like: Dawkins - Quinton Spain (TEN) - Matt Paradis (DEN) - Wyat Teller / Vlad Ducasse - Daryl Williams (CAR) that would be a significantly upgraded unit. And I know it is unpopular but I am still not passing on Oliver or Bosa if I am in position to take them at #1 or #2.
mannc Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) On 10/30/2018 at 1:07 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said: We need a complete WR who can come everything. Gross 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I agree, and I think we already have one of those in Dawkins (passable, league average LT could be elite at LG). I am in favour of the get a new LT and slide Dawkins inside idea. That would be my "plan A" on the offensive line. Just not sure I see Jonah as that guy to be a big upgrade on the outside. Nor do I see a huge amount of help at LT in free agency. There is a reaonably good group of interior OL available in FA and a handful of upgrades at RT. Therefore you might have to be prepared to shift to my "plan B" which is spend my FA $$s on a center, a guard and a right tackle, leave Dawkins where he is and then draft a young tackle somewhere in the mid rounds who you can try and develop behind Dawkins and your new RT as a swing guy in the first instance. If your line looked something like: Dawkins - Quinton Spain (TEN) - Matt Paradis (DEN) - Wyat Teller / Vlad Ducasse - Daryl Williams (CAR) that would be a significantly upgraded unit. And I know it is unpopular but I am still not passing on Oliver or Bosa if I am in position to take them at #1 or #2. If you take Bosa (much better than Oliver, IMO), then when do you ever rebuild the offense? We are completely devoid of playmakers and the only way to get them to come to Buffalo is to draft them. Edited October 31, 2018 by mannc
GunnerBill Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, mannc said: If you take Bosa (much better than Oliver, IMO), then when do you ever rebuild the offense? We are completely devoid of playmakers and the only way to get them to come to Buffalo is to draft them. You rebuild it with your other picks. I am just not a fan of draft for need - especially when you have a top 5 pick. When you get one of those (and the Bills for all our ineptitude have only drafted in the top 5 once in my fandom (since 2002) you have to get an elite prospect. I don't think there is one there on the offensive side of the ball at this stage of my evaluations (obviously as I watch more tape after the season my view on that might change) but I do think there are at least those two on the defensive side. An it is not as though our defensive line should be seen as complete in any event. On the edge we have Jerry Hughes having a great year but can't go on forever and basically nothing else then inside we have Harrison Phillips who looks a nice player but not a difference maker and Star who is a complimentary piece (though he has improved pretty consistently this season after a slow start). That DLine does, in my view, require work - and I'd still put pass rusher no lower than 3rd on our positional needs. So if Bosa or Oliver are there for you - pick them. We need wide receivers and tight ends - no doubt. I actually think this receiver class looks a bit like the 2016 class where the 2nd round was a bit of a sweet spot and you could get a Michael Thomas, a Tyler Boyd or a Sterling Shepard there. I think you upgrade the line in FA, you trade for a solid vet receiver (someone who is an established #1 or #2 in the league - I'd have been in on Demaryious Thomas but there are other names that make sense too - or maybe you go Tate in FA), and then you draft a couple of young receivers and put them around that vet and hope that the small improvements we have seen in Zay this year make him at least a serviceable #3/#4. You also need to take a pass catching tight end somewhere in the middle rounds, and sign a proper blocking TE in FA - there are always decent options available in that position. 2 1
SoTier Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 20 hours ago, Rocbillsfan1 said: Trade down would be great but the bills need to draft top end talent if they end up with a high pick and forced to take someone. You can’t reach for a wr just because you want one if they aren’t that good. That’s how bad teams draft. Isn't that exactly what the Bills have done in the last two drafts under McDermott??? They passed on two excellent QB prospects in 2017 who have turned into decent NFL QBs (at their low end) for a CB because they needed one. They then traded away their starting QB and their starting LT to move up to take the fourth best QB prospect in the 2018 draft. Why would they change "their plan" to stock up on offense in 2019 just because the best talent in the draft is on the defensive side?
HuSeYiN_NYC Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 6 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: No we don't . OBJ is an immature child and a cancer. and this kid isn't that good. Would you really want to spend a first on a guy who is 5'10" 157 ??? Dude is a munchkin, not happening. I don't follow college ball so i dont know the guy's physical appearance. Plus my point was more so the fact that we need a OBJ type player even if he comes with the divaness... If he can play like OBJ, he can be all the diva he wants to be is what I said...
billsfan_34 Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/30/2018 at 4:07 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said: Me too if we can't get a tackle I probably go WR. Really like DK Metcalf if he comes out. Haven't noticed him yet but haven't watched much Oklahoma this year. Please tell me he comes with out the OBJ mental disorders and Divaism?? Just looked him up and no way in the first, guy is a midget. We need a complete WR who can come everything. Yes- one in the form of 6’2”, 220lbs, strong hands, good route running, above average speed, breaks tackles, and can make the first man miss. Is there an Eric Moulds type out there?
GunnerBill Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 23 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Yes- one in the form of 6’2”, 220lbs, strong hands, good route running, above average speed, breaks tackles, and can make the first man miss. Is there an Eric Moulds type out there? I'm not sold on ANY of these likely 2019 draft wide receivers at this stage. Again still lots of my evaluation process to go but I wouldn't be surprised based on what I have watched so far if I had around 20/22 genuine first round grades in the 2019 draft and around 16/18 of those were defensive players. The Bills plan might be to load up on offense and clearly we need help on that side of the ball - but it is a draft where a lot of the top tier talent is on defense.
Chuck Wagon Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 If Bosa or Oliver is on the board when we pick, just take them. Then go all offense the rest of the draft. 3 1
Chandler#81 Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 The very best player. Not to a butthead, we’re likely picking very high, so DL, OL, LB, WR, DB .whoever is next year’s Chubb, Barkley, etc. Instant Starter anywhere is an overall upgrade. 1
GunnerBill Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: If Bosa or Oliver is on the board when we pick, just take them. Then go all offense the rest of the draft. Agreed on the first line. Think they need to take a developmental corner somewhere (4th round or so) as well.... but beyond that their focus should be to upgrade the offense without hugely reaching down the board for guys. 1
Chuck Wagon Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Agreed on the first line. Think they need to take a developmental corner somewhere (4th round or so) as well.... but beyond that their focus should be to upgrade the offense without hugely reaching down the board for guys. As annoyed as I am with the conga line of talented CBs leaving us in FA, I do believe you need to keep taking that position so I agree. The best run teams keep taking shots on pass rushers / CBs / WRs. Really hoping we end up with pick #1 and the team sitting at 3 is desperate for a QB. Picking up more draft picks while getting whoever is left over between Bosa and Oliver is a very enticing proposition. Edited October 31, 2018 by Chuck Wagon 1
GunnerBill Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: As annoyed as I am with the conga line of talented CBs leaving us in FA, I do believe you need to keep taking that position so I agree. The best run teams keep taking shots on pass rushers / CBs / WRs. They will have to find a cheap starting corner in FA too.... there is a guy who will be out there called EJ Gaines........ he might be a fit. (seriously letting him leave to bring in Vontae looks like another personnel mistake) 1
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