Has the light finally gone on for Zay Jones?

[26CornerBlitz]

7 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

Zay needs one more reception for 14 yards to be at Robert Woods' career average in Buffalo.

 

Woods is 50.75 receptions, for 612 or so yards, and 3 tds per year.

 

Zay is currently at 50, for 599 and 5 TDs.

 

Of course Woods is better.  However, Zay was always penned in as a number 2, and these numbers in his second year are fine.

 

He still has to grow some, but having this kid be behind our eventual number 1 and getting 56-64 grabs for 6-7 tds may be enough for a buffalo number 2.

 

Too much GTP in those numbers for Zay and as always they tell an "incomplete" story with many of the important details "dropped".

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[mjt328]

To me, it doesn't matter what a WR's physical makeup is like (size, speed, etc.)  His job is to get open and catch the ball.

 

Zay Jones made some big strides this season with his route running, and he's doing a much better job of getting open.  But he's still got some big problems with drops (just like everyone else on the Buffalo roster), and so far he's not the kind of player we can count on for the "difficult" catches.

 

In the offseason, I think Jones needs to work on improving his hands.  If he doesn't get better at catching the ball, I just don't see him ever becoming a starting caliber WR in this league.

 

 

 

[mjt328]

On 12/23/2018 at 5:39 PM, DuckyBoys said:

Maybe they can make Foster/Zay work as slot and outside wr #2   we don't have a true #1  Foster can get open by running away from guys but that works best on crossing routes and deeper routes  Zay needs time to get open  Honestly we need a Steve Johnson who seemed to get open right away with all those basketball court set up moves right off the line of scrimmage  Wouldn't hurt to have the receivers actually make some contested/adjustment catches.

 

The problem with our receivers is that none of them can really CATCH.

 

Watch other NFL games and you will be constantly amazed how other NFL receivers can adjust and come down with passes - even when they need to stretch-out, jump, dive or tip-toe on the sidelines.  And I'm not just talking about guys like Antonio Brown, Odell Beckham or Julio Jones.  I'm talking about the regular/dime-a-dozen guys in this league.

 

This season has been brutal to watch from the WR perspective.  Kelvin Benjamin was the most pathetic excuse for a big-man/jump-ball specialist I've ever seen.  He couldn't beat out guys 6 inches shorter than him.  Robert Foster has made some nice plays, but he still loses track of deep balls in the air.  Zay Jones seems to drop at least one pass every week. 

 

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Too much GTP in those numbers for Zay and as always they tell an "incomplete" story with many of the important details "dropped".

 

 

I don't necessarily disagree with you, Corner...mater of fact you are probably spot on.

 

..and, as mentioned, Robert Woods is better.

 

I am just still not unhappy with Zay's progress as what I believe to be a true number 2, which is likely what he was drafted to do.

 

Woods had annoying drops, too.  No where close to the umber that Zay had..but I know that you know that he had them.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

I don't necessarily disagree with you, Corner...mater of fact you are probably spot on.

 

..and, as mentioned, Robert Woods is better.

 

I am just still not unhappy with Zay's progress as what I believe to be a true number 2, which is likely what he was drafted to do.

 

Woods had annoying drops, too.  No where close to the umber that Zay had..but I know that you know that he had them.

 

IMO he doesn't create enough separation and his hands are too inconsistent to be a #2 WR. 

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2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

IMO he doesn't create enough separation and his hands are too inconsistent to be a #2 WR. 

 

 

He better start getting separation this offseason, Corner...man, we don't need another hole.

 

Lord have mercy our receivers are terrible.  Like that thread from the other day, it is annoying seeing average receiving groups making great catches, to a man.

Edited December 27, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts

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1 hour ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

Zay needs one more reception for 14 yards to be at Robert Woods' career average in Buffalo.

 

Woods is 50.75 receptions, for 612 or so yards, and 3 tds per year.

 

Zay is currently at 50, for 599 and 5 TDs.

 

Of course Woods is better.  However, Zay was always penned in as a number 2, and these numbers in his second year are fine.

 

He still has to grow some, but having this kid be behind our eventual number 1 and getting 56-64 grabs for 6-7 tds may be enough for a buffalo number 2.

Woods has always improved every year, sometimes dramatically, earlier more in increments.. not that he ever started out in question poorly either. Even if he didn't put up gaudy stats he was well respected by us in year 2 as well as in NFL circles. Not to mention he has dramatically increased his play to the point of borderline no 1 status.

 

So not to take away from Zay from your point I'm fine with him incrementally improving (and maybe we keep a good WR we drafted for once if he ends up there!).. and I hope he can be close to Wood's constant improvement in the passing game.. and hopefully see how some of that aggression and gut over the middle and in blocking can make him a better football player. Even with Zay having comparable #s I don't think the NFL regards him nearly as high as they did Woods at this point in their careers.

 

But Woods was a different animal. He played with that football aggression you love to see in WR2s.. reminds me of Juju really. And the NFL saw that outside the numbers, and paid him for more than his WR stats.. which I think the Bills should have recognized in him and kept if that was on the table. I didn't think he was worth the money at the time but I think that contract he got is a bargain in retrospect. 

 

WRs with that sort of aggression can pay dividends. Dude draws comparisons to TO and Hines Ward in his on field effort. Not nearly as talented as TO, not many are, but I do like the less-dirty-Ward comp. Eventually those guys are gonna get recognize for giving every play full effort.

 

I don't see it in Zay, but a Woods comparison is unfair to say now. Nice to see he has similar numbers this far albeit in more suitable WR circumstances as an informal no1.

 

I just think Tyrod had a love affair with his speed guys in Watkins and Goodwin.. for good reason, and likely recognized Woods' different playstyle too late in that Seahawks game where Woods showed he could do much more damage in the passing game than he was getting the opportunities for in the better part of his career.

 

I love woods in retrospect lol.. didn't really mean to go on a tangent about him but I miss the heck out of him and could see him becoming really special for the Rams or elsewhere if he keeps this up.. especially if handed the keys to a No1 spot somewhere. Hines Ward 2.0.

Edited December 27, 2018 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P

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1 minute ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

Woods has always improved every year, sometimes dramatically, earlier more in increments.. not that he ever started out in question poorly either. Even if he didn't put up gaudy stats he was well respected by us in year 2 as well as in NFL circles. Not to mention he has dramatically increased his play to the point of borderline no 1 status.

 

So not to take away from Zay from your point I'm fine with him incrementally improving (and maybe we keep a good WR we drafted for once if he ends up there!).. and I hope he can be close to Wood's constant improvement in the passing game.. and hopefully see how some of that aggression and gut over the middle and in blocking can make him a better football player.

 

But Woods was a different animal. He played with that football aggression you love to see in WR2s.. reminds me of Juju really. And the NFL saw that outside the numbers, and paid him for more than his WR stats.. which I think the Bills should have recognized in him and kept if that was on the table. I didn't think he was worth the money at the time but I think that contract he got is a bargain in retrospect. 

 

WRs with that sort of aggression can pay dividends. Dude draws comparisons to TO and Hines Ward in his on field effort. Not nearly as talented as TO, not many are, but I do like the less-dirty-Ward comp. Eventually those guys are gonna get recognize for giving every play full effort.

 

I don't see it in Zay, but a Woods comparison is unfair to say now. Nice to see he has similar numbers this far albeit in more suitable WR circumstances as an informal no1.

 

I just think Tyrod had a love affair with his speed guys in Watkins and Goodwin.. for good reason, and likely recognized Woods' different playstyle too late in that Seahawks game where Woods showed he could do much more damage in the passing game than he was getting the opportunities for in the better part of his career.

 

I love woods in retrospect lol.. didn't really mean to go on a tangent about him but I miss the heck out of him and could see him becoming really special for the Rams or elsewhere if he keeps this up.. especially if handed the keys to a No1 spot somewhere. Hines Ward 2.0.

 

 

Peterman, and others, honestly...and maybe it is my fault.  Something is getting lost in translation that is making people think I like Zay better than Woods and that we are better off.

 

Please don't interpret it that way, especially when I come right out and say Woods is better.  

 

For what Zay is and what he has been able to produce, not what he has failed to produce in getting open or dropped passes, I am good with where he is.

 

Do I have to bring up Hardy, Tuttle or Franklin as year 2 comparisons?  I hope not.

 

I would have taken Woods for 4 years at 8 million per...hindsight, 4 years at 10 million would have been a steal.

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3 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

Peterman, and others, honestly...and maybe it is my fault.  Something is getting lost in translation that is making people think I like Zay better than Woods and that we are better off.

 

Please don't interpret it that way, especially when I come right out and say Woods is better.  

 

For what Zay is and what he has been able to produce, not what he has failed to produce in getting open or dropped passes, I am good with where he is.

 

Do I have to bring up Hardy, Tuttle or Franklin as year 2 comparisons?  I hope not.

 

I would have taken Woods for 4 years at 8 million per...hindsight, 4 years at 10 million would have been a steal.

I'm not, I just fell back in love with Woods as I posted haha (almost triggered at the contract he got and we didn't match in retrospect as well). All I ask is Zay keeps improving a la Woods like you said, and finds other ways to contribute as the best #2s and #3s should.. as Woods did as well 

 

When his contract comes up I hope he's at a similar juncture as Woods was. Not spectacular, but with steady improvement to merit a steal of a contract going forward (and we actually re-sign a drafted WR for the first time in forever!)

Edited December 27, 2018 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P

[Bing Bong]

 

I only worry about his hands. Was excited to have a hands guy and he seems far from it. If he can't corall the Allan fastball like he did from some softball quarterback at ECU for all them receptions maybe we misidentified our "hands" role WR.