NewEraBills Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 Jones gets open. Allen just has to see more of the field. Once it slows down for Allen, Jones will get more targets. What I would like to see next year though is Jones moved to the slot for the 3 WR set and have Foster and another speed guy on the outside. I think that would be ideal. 1
BillsVet Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 Zay is great if each game had about 30 minutes of garbage time.
ghostwriter Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 1 hour ago, NewEraBills said: Jones gets open. Allen just has to see more of the field. Once it slows down for Allen, Jones will get more targets. What I would like to see next year though is Jones moved to the slot for the 3 WR set and have Foster and another speed guy on the outside. I think that would be ideal. He can be a good player. I'm obviously a fan of Zay Jones. He'll be alright. He's a good guy to have around. Can he be a #1? Probably not. I was wrong to think so in the past, but he could probably do good as a #2. We just need an elite WR, that of which we have zero of right now.
Ronin Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 1 hour ago, BillsVet said: Zay is great if each game had about 30 minutes of garbage time. That's EXACTLY right! He made a living off of garbage time in college, in a spread offense no less. Most of his stats this season are as well.
Alphadawg7 Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 On 12/17/2018 at 8:07 AM, Royale with Cheese said: He had a good game against Miami 2 weeks ago. 4 for 67 yards and 2 TD's. He was wide open when Allen missed him in the endzone as well. It would have been a 3 TD day and around 85 yards.... You forgot to mention his drops You also forgot to mention most his production came on broken plays. Zay absolutely sucks at getting open on his route and is man handled by opposing defenders each week. I am convinced Zay is both not a starter in the NFL and won’t be on the roster next year. He is not good at any facet of the game. Can’t handle corners being physical, can’t run good routes, has bad hands, is not mentally tough, and gets poor separation.
BillsFan130 Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 33 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: He can be a good player. I'm obviously a fan of Zay Jones. He'll be alright. He's a good guy to have around. Can he be a #1? Probably not. I was wrong to think so in the past, but he could probably do good as a #2. We just need an elite WR, that of which we have zero of right now. Just out of curiosity, what makes you think he can be a good 2nd WR based on his career so far?
ghostwriter Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 Just now, BillsFan130 said: Just out of curiosity, what makes you think he can be a good 2nd WR based on his career so far? Well I think back to his 2 TD game, which in all actuality should have been 3 TDs and then I see him get wide open again for another TD today and I think he has shown flashes of great ability and I think he can absolutely be a big redzone threat to. He has nice feet and body control, it all just needs to come together for him and I think much of his productivity or lack thereof is because of instability at QB. Allen will be good but he's a rookie and before that he had Tyrod. To me, I just need to see more. I'm not ready to give up on Zay yet, I think the juice is worth the squeeze.
BillsFan130 Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: Well I think back to his 2 TD game, which in all actuality should have been 3 TDs and then I see him get wide open again for another TD today and I think he has shown flashes of great ability and I think he can absolutely be a big redzone threat to. He has nice feet and body control, it all just needs to come together for him and I think much of his productivity or lack thereof is because of instability at QB. Allen will be good but he's a rookie and before that he had Tyrod. To me, I just need to see more. I'm not ready to give up on Zay yet, I think the juice is worth the squeeze. He’s had a couple good games in his career. But doesn’t do it nearly enough. He really struggles against man coverage and on top of it has a hard time catching the ball. I don’t know. I thought he was turning the corner. But it seems like those few good games he had were more of an anomaly rather than the direction I thought he was heading. Edited December 23, 2018 by BillsFan130
ghostwriter Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: He’s had a couple good games in his career. But doesn’t do it nearly enough. He really struggles against man coverage and on top of it has a hard time catching the ball. I don’t know. I thought he was turning the corner. But it seems like those few good games he had were more of an anomaly rather than the direction I thought he was heading. He is out of position, that's all. We expect him to be something he's not. I'm guilty of it too. He'll probably finish with 50 catches and that's against opposing teams #1 CB. What can he do against the Levi Wallace's of the world? I wonder.
BillsFan130 Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: He is out of position, that's all. We expect him to be something he's not. I'm guilty of it too. He'll probably finish with 50 catches and that's against opposing teams #1 CB. What can he do against the Levi Wallace's of the world? I wonder. I’m not so sure he was mostly playing against number 1 corners in his career. Last year Jordan Matthews and then Benjamin when he played. This year it was mostly Benjamin on the 1s from what I recall. And even today I noticed Gilmore was only on Zay a few times, but he mostly followed foster around.
ghostwriter Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: I’m not so sure he was mostly playing against number 1 corners in his career. Last year Jordan Matthews and then Benjamin when he played. This year it was mostly Benjamin on the 1s from what I recall. And even today I noticed Gilmore was only on Zay a few times, but he mostly followed foster around. He goes up against 1s and 2s, but should be going up against 2s and 3s. Zay lined up on both sides IIRC. I did see him line up on the left and right, either way his production is not terrible. Foster will probably blow away Zay but I like both of them a lot. If we can draft a top WR I think we are in damn good shape. Zay, Foster and McKenzie all need to get bumped down on the depth chart one spot and we are in fantastic shape at WR. It's really not as bad as ppl think.
DuckyBoys Posted December 23, 2018 Posted December 23, 2018 1 minute ago, NewDayBills said: He goes up against 1s and 2s, but should be going up against 2s and 3s. Zay lined up on both sides IIRC. I did see him line up on the left and right, either way his production is not terrible. Foster will probably blow away Zay but I like both of them a lot. If we can draft a top WR I think we are in damn good shape. Zay, Foster and McKenzie all need to get bumped down on the depth chart one spot and we are in fantastic shape at WR. It's really not as bad as ppl think. Maybe they can make Foster/Zay work as slot and outside wr #2 we don't have a true #1 Foster can get open by running away from guys but that works best on crossing routes and deeper routes Zay needs time to get open Honestly we need a Steve Johnson who seemed to get open right away with all those basketball court set up moves right off the line of scrimmage Wouldn't hurt to have the receivers actually make some contested/adjustment catches. 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 24, 2018 Posted December 24, 2018 It’s all Zays fault. (you can determine if this is sarcasm or not)
26CornerBlitz Posted December 27, 2018 Posted December 27, 2018 How Zay Jones' Rebuilt Confidence Let His Game Emerge If one was to compare Zay Jones, the rookie, to Zay Jones, the second-year wideout, there is one glaring difference. Confidence. One of Jones’ teammates, who witnessed the receiver’s rookie year first-hand, then spent the first half of 2018 in Dallas, before re-joining the Bills last month, sees a Zay Jones who carries himself with a purpose. “What jumped out at me the most when I got back was the look in his eye, the pep in his step, the confidence,” said fellow receiver Deonte Thompson. “From the time I walked back in the building a few weeks ago his confidence has made him a totally different dude. His confidence is at another level right now.” The first Bills receiver with 50 receptions or more since 2016 and the team leader in catches, receiving yards and receiving touchdowns, Jones established himself as a steady and reliable option in Buffalo’s passing game despite a lot of change at the quarterback position. “He gets better every day. He works his tail off,” said Josh Allen. “He comes into practice, he never takes a rep off, and it’s showing in games because he’s finding ways to get it done, creating more separation, it seems like, every game. When he’s got that type of attitude and work ethic, the chemistry just kind of becomes natural the more you throw to him.”
Billsfan1972 Posted December 27, 2018 Posted December 27, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: How Zay Jones' Rebuilt Confidence Let His Game Emerge If one was to compare Zay Jones, the rookie, to Zay Jones, the second-year wideout, there is one glaring difference. Confidence. One of Jones’ teammates, who witnessed the receiver’s rookie year first-hand, then spent the first half of 2018 in Dallas, before re-joining the Bills last month, sees a Zay Jones who carries himself with a purpose. “What jumped out at me the most when I got back was the look in his eye, the pep in his step, the confidence,” said fellow receiver Deonte Thompson. “From the time I walked back in the building a few weeks ago his confidence has made him a totally different dude. His confidence is at another level right now.” The first Bills receiver with 50 receptions or more since 2016 and the team leader in catches, receiving yards and receiving touchdowns, Jones established himself as a steady and reliable option in Buffalo’s passing game despite a lot of change at the quarterback position. “He gets better every day. He works his tail off,” said Josh Allen. “He comes into practice, he never takes a rep off, and it’s showing in games because he’s finding ways to get it done, creating more separation, it seems like, every game. When he’s got that type of attitude and work ethic, the chemistry just kind of becomes natural the more you throw to him.” From the same marketing department that had the Nathan Peterman promotional video...... https://www.12up.com/posts/6166581-video-bills-post-embarrassing-nathan-peterman-hype-video
26CornerBlitz Posted December 27, 2018 Posted December 27, 2018 Just now, Billsfan1972 said: From the same marketing department that had the Nathan Peterman promotional video...... https://www.12up.com/posts/6166581-video-bills-post-embarrassing-nathan-peterman-hype-video The time for the article was after the game down in Miami.
dollars 2 donuts Posted December 27, 2018 Posted December 27, 2018 Zay needs one more reception for 14 yards to be at Robert Woods' career average in Buffalo. Woods is 50.75 receptions, for 612 or so yards, and 3 tds per year. Zay is currently at 50, for 599 and 5 TDs. Of course Woods is better. However, Zay was always penned in as a number 2, and these numbers in his second year are fine. He still has to grow some, but having this kid be behind our eventual number 1 and getting 56-64 grabs for 6-7 tds may be enough for a buffalo number 2.
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