Rebel101 Posted October 27, 2018 Posted October 27, 2018 I just don’t understand how this happened. I know I am beating a dead horse. But honestly I thought drafts are about best player available/ filling a team need at the same time. Is it really possible that McDermott didn’t think either were NFL caliber players? I just don’t see how if he thought they were franchise QBs how he could pass on either. The Chiefs has a starting QB and traded up. This really makes me question his talent evaluation on offense. And makes me worry about Josh Allen. Who basically came out rawer and way less accomplished then either QB he passed on. Has he ever been asked this question? And if so, what was his answer? Is his only excuse is he didn’t have a GM? I mean if he did see them as franchise QBs how could you pass on adding the corner stone of your team for years to come? Not making that pick forces us to waste a lot of future picks, and is the reason we are in a complete rebuild. Getting Mahomes/Watson that year changes everything. We’d still have Glenn and Dawkins which together gives our OLine a great start. Would have been able to fill the middle in FA and draft. And used the 2018 offseason to offense and a few defense through the draft. This was a huge blunder by McDermott and is the reason we are in a complete tear down and build process. I feel like McBeane did this to guarantee their jobs for as many years as possible. I say this “PROCESS” gives them a minimum of 4 years of a having guaranteed job 5
Augie Posted October 27, 2018 Posted October 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Rebel101 said: I just don’t understand how this happened. I know I am beating a dead horse. But honestly I thought drafts are about best player available/ filling a team need at the same time. Is it really possible that McDermott didn’t think either were NFL caliber players? I just don’t see how if he thought they were franchise QBs how he could pass on either. The Chiefs has a starting QB and traded up. This really makes me question his talent evaluation on offense. And makes me worry about Josh Allen. Who basically came out rawer and way less accomplished then either QB he passed on. Has he ever been asked this question? And if so, what was his answer? Is his only excuse is he didn’t have a GM? I mean if he did see them as franchise QBs how could you pass on adding the corner stone of your team for years to come? Not making that pick forces us to waste a lot of future picks, and is the reason we are in a complete rebuild. Getting Mahomes/Watson that year changes everything. We’d still have Glenn and Dawkins which together gives our OLine a great start. Would have been able to fill the middle in FA and draft. And used the 2018 offseason to offense and a few defense through the draft. This was a huge blunder by McDermott and is the reason we are in a complete tear down and build process. I feel like McBeane did this to guarantee their jobs for as many years as possible. I say this “PROCESS” gives them a minimum of 4 years of a having guaranteed job Then why? 3 2
stuvian Posted October 27, 2018 Posted October 27, 2018 They didn't want to let Whaley make the franchise QB pick. What hurts more is that we wouldn't have had to trade up to get Mahomes as we did Allen. I'm not knocking Allen.I think he's a good pick but Mahomes is freaking Dan Marino.
Rebel101 Posted October 27, 2018 Author Posted October 27, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Augie said: Then why? Because I wanted to and that’s what this board is for. Why’d you open it, read it, and take the time to copy past and post it? 2 hours ago, stuvian said: They didn't want to let Whaley make the franchise QB pick. What hurts more is that we wouldn't have had to trade up to get Mahomes as we did Allen. I'm not knocking Allen.I think he's a good pick but Mahomes is freaking Dan Marino. Yeah but that’s a terrible reason. He was getting fired either way. It is still undetermined if Allen will be good or not. But yeah we def could have saved ourself a lot of picks Edited October 27, 2018 by Rebel101
John from Riverside Posted October 27, 2018 Posted October 27, 2018 Because they were about to lose their starting Pro Bowl to free agency. So they traded down and got Tre WHite Because they HAD a starting QB......he was not a pro bowl guy regardless of making pro bowls.....but they did have a starting guy Because the following draft was supposed to be a QB draft.....and when you connect the dots it looks like the plan was ALWAYS to take a QB that following year ????? 3 3
Augie Posted October 27, 2018 Posted October 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Rebel101 said: Because I wanted to and that’s what this bored is for. Why’d you open it, read it, and take the time to copy past and post it? Yeah but that’s a terrible reason. He was getting fired either way. It is still undetermined if Allen will be good or not. But yeah we def could have saved ourself a lot of picks I don’t really think you helped yourself there, but I’m a friendly guy. ? 5
Rc2catch Posted October 27, 2018 Posted October 27, 2018 What are the odds Watson or Mahomes is successful here? Even with the players lost via trade and free agency. Why is it a given they “missed” on these picks? Watson is a year and a half into his career and what 6-7 games for Mahomes? While im not sold on Allen as a franchise guy I just don’t see the fascination with other quarterbacks we could of drafted instead. totally different systems and team situations. 4 1
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted October 27, 2018 Posted October 27, 2018 It's a mistake, but has been brought up numerous times in other threads. 1 1
NoSaint Posted October 27, 2018 Posted October 27, 2018 I always kind of assumed McD wanted a more polished guy. then we took the least polished guy of either draft (you know, of the viable ones... I’m talking top picks) 2
John from Riverside Posted October 27, 2018 Posted October 27, 2018 Just now, BillsRdue said: It's a mistake, but has been brought up numerous times in other threads. We do not know if it was a mistake yet Whether Josh Allen pans out will determine the success of the trade.....period and that is not going to be determined this year 1
YoloinOhio Posted October 27, 2018 Posted October 27, 2018 Ugh.. it’s painful but anyway this is a good read 1
bills11 Posted October 27, 2018 Posted October 27, 2018 34 minutes ago, Rebel101 said: Because I wanted to and that’s what this bored is for. Why’d you open it, read it, and take the time to copy past and post it? Yeah but that’s a terrible reason. He was getting fired either way. It is still undetermined if Allen will be good or not. But yeah we def could have saved ourself a lot of picks Yes it's terrible but it's something we're going to see time and time again ...Chip Kelly wanted his guys before that mcdaniels was so against inheriting players he drafted tebow first Rd..McDermott has a massive ego like many others . 2
Success Posted October 27, 2018 Posted October 27, 2018 People forget how both QBs were talked about in the draft. It’s always such a crapshoot. Threads like this are well meaning, but pure hindsight. Watson was all about the velocity. There were probably dozens of threads talking about his velocity. I think there was some stat that no one had succeeded in the nfl with his velocity. And Mahones was considered as much of a project as Allen. Most of this board would have gone bananas if we picked him in the first. I think they were smart to wait for the draft that was considered the most deep at QB in years. And they made their move - picked a guy that a few had projected as the top pick. 1
DC Tom Posted October 27, 2018 Posted October 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Rebel101 said: I just don’t understand how this happened. I know I am beating a dead horse. You are beating a bottle of stale, hardened glue at this point. Jesus, people...let it go. 2 2
DRA3196 Posted October 27, 2018 Posted October 27, 2018 Wilson...Watson, Mahomes. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. It's obvious that Beane and McDermott have a plan for the direction that they want to go. Have they made some mistakes along the way, absolutely. They can judge talent, one thing they can't evaluate is heart or determination. Simply because someone has talent doesn't necessarily mean they are a fit for what they are trying to build or establish. And just because someone is a FA doesn't mean they are a good fit for what the organization is trying to do. Maybe their personality or attitude isn't a fit. Maybe they just don't want to be here. The current product on the field is a work in progress. Both Beane and McDermott admitted last year was an enigma and that we were going to struggle. I for one am excited about the direction the organization is headed. It isn't perfect but it is entertaining.
whatdrought Posted October 27, 2018 Posted October 27, 2018 Every team in the NFL has changed QB's at least once since they passed on Tom Brady multiple times. This is reductionist history. Nobody has ever passed on a 100%, guarantee of a QB prospect. 1
Mr. WEO Posted October 27, 2018 Posted October 27, 2018 So......is the OP suggesting someone should be fired over Mahomes? (Asking for a friend) 1 1
Warcodered Posted October 27, 2018 Posted October 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: So......is the OP suggesting someone should be fired over Mahomes? (Asking for a friend) Perhaps he's saying how'd we get stuck with Josh Allen honestly it's all starting to blur together.
CookieG Posted October 27, 2018 Posted October 27, 2018 1 hour ago, DC Tom said: You are beating a bottle of stale, hardened glue at this point. Jesus, people...let it go. lol...welp...when I was growing up, it was during the Lamonica era in Oakland. In those days, the Raiders were really the Raiders, the badasses of the AFl/AFC. Not only was it pre-Interwebia, but it was pre-cable. The Raiders were on TV a lot. and from my childhood memories, whenever they were on, my father, an uncle, a neighbor or whatever grown ups were in the room, someone would remark, "Why'd we ever trade that guy?" Then the discussion would begin. And that was years after he was traded, and pretty much went on as long as he was their QB. I don't suspect it was different from other Buffalo area households. Unless Allen becomes the stud he's supposed to be, or until Mahomes does an RGIII, expect it to continue. Watching a guy you passed on become Kurt Warner before your eyes isn't easy to watch...especially when the consensus was that an upgrade from Tyrod was priority one. I mean, damn...a few weeks ago, someone started the discussion about who was really responsible for drafting EJ Manuel, Buddy or Whaley? That was 5 years ago, when the alternative was...um.? This has been 7 games..I don't know why anyone would think people would remain silent. 1
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