OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, JMF2006 said: Vontae for sure We need to see if he can play a whole 60 minutes next year ...CBS will hire him for "30 Minutes" segments so he's not overworked......check your Sunday channel guide............. 1
whatdrought Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 Golden Tate, Jay Ajayi, Roger Saffold (big spend), Daryl Williams (need a Carolina connection, and we can get him on the cheap due to the injury and let him fight it out with Scott), a lesser known WR such as Tyrell Williams or Enunwa. 55 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Don't get me wrong, I love me some Golden Tate, great player, but he'll be 31 or 32 heading into next season and with the whole youth movement direction this team is going in, I can't see them making a run at Tate. Not sure of his situation but I wonder if he'll get an extension from Detroit before the year is done. Tate is a tactician. He is a great route runner and has great hands. I think he'd be huge for Allen's confidence, and he will help train our younger WR's.
blacklabel Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Golden Tate, Jay Ajayi, Roger Saffold (big spend), Daryl Williams (need a Carolina connection, and we can get him on the cheap due to the injury and let him fight it out with Scott), a lesser known WR such as Tyrell Williams or Enunwa. Tate is a tactician. He is a great route runner and has great hands. I think he'd be huge for Allen's confidence, and he will help train our younger WR's. No doubt, I agree with your take on Tate. He would definitely be helpful but I just don't know if Beane would wanna spend big money (he'd demand a solid contract, as he should, he's earned it) on a guy that doesn't figure into their long-term plans. But perhaps they might feel the same as you and think it's worth it to bring him in for the things the WR group can learn from him. They're gonna need to look at guys who are really good at adjusting to oddly-placed throws. It's gonna take Allen some time to dial in that accuracy and that was one reason a lot of people felt Tanner Gentry would've been a decent pick up as one of his standout traits in college was his ability to adjust on the fly to an inaccurate throw from Allen. Tyrell Williams would be nice, big and fast. He keeps balling out like he did last week, though, and he's gonna have teams in a bidding war for him. The list of FA's as it is now is gonna look a lot different by the time FA actually starts, though. Not only will we see players receive extensions to stay with the same team, but we'll also see cap casualties and other cuts. Definitely should be one of the more active off-seasons for this team. 1
billsfan89 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 The WR crop is weak but they have to at least sign one decent veteran. Golden Tate would be a good place to start, he is a mid-level WR2, I also think John Brown would be a good second tier signing. But don't rule out the trade market either. The Bills have extra mid round picks they could maybe package for a vet WR out on the market. As far as resigning players go Lorax and Kyle should both be brought back if they want to play one more year. Jordan Phillips I would play by ear as I like what he brought so far but if he finishes the season strong the Bills might get priced out of the market for him (If Kyle comes back they have 3 solid DT's, how much do you pay for a 4th DT on the roster when you have 3 good ones?)The only offensive free agent worth possibly resigning is Mills but that will depend on how he does the rest of the year KB is as good as gone if he doesn't get traded. The rest of the defensive players are mostly depth guys somewhat worth resigning but no major losses. But where the Bills can really improve and get a good value for their cap space is along the interior OL even with Marpet resigning in Tampa there will be several quality guards and centers out on the free agent market. The Bills should sign at least 2 of the top interior OL players out on the market. Rodger Saffold although a bit older would make for a great signing. The Rams are up against the cap and Saffold is a top guard in the league, he would instantly stabilize the guard position for 2-3 seasons at least. I also like Jamon Brown from the Rams too, he isn't an elite center but he is good, he is also 25 so he could be a 4-6 year plug and play type player. Another great option at center is Matt Paradis from Denver who would have competed with Marpet as the top Center available in the draft. Paradis would give the team one of the best centers in the league. Another interesting option at RT is Daryl Williams coming off a huge injury but had two elite seasons in Carolina in 2016 and 2017. Personally I would target Paradis and Saffold at top AAV for their positions, adding both of them would instantly stabilize the O-line from LT-LG-C. I would see what Williams would command and if it isn't too crazy of an overpay and bonus commitment I would certainly add him and greatly help out the right side of the line. I honestly would have no problem committing 50 million in cap space to resigning Lorax and either Kyle or Phillips, and signing Saffold, Paradis, Golden Tate, and Daryl Williams. Spend your first and second round picks on pass catchers and draft a guard in the third round to help out the right side. 2019 is make or break for McBeane and they better act like it. There is no excuse to be conservative with this cap space and the ability to easily create 10-15 million more in cap space by cutting bums like Dimarco.
billsfan89 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 19 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Golden Tate, Jay Ajayi, Roger Saffold (big spend), Daryl Williams (need a Carolina connection, and we can get him on the cheap due to the injury and let him fight it out with Scott), a lesser known WR such as Tyrell Williams or Enunwa. Tate is a tactician. He is a great route runner and has great hands. I think he'd be huge for Allen's confidence, and he will help train our younger WR's. Golden Tate would greatly help out the WR core and he would make a great role model. I also like the fact that he won a SB in Seattle, I think he would fit the culture the team is going for. Depending on how Zay finishes the season (Is he a viable WR3) I would also bring in John Brown or another speed oriented WR. The team can only draft so many pass catchers as they need both a future at tight end and a lot of help at WR so if Zay can't be relied on he should fight for a WR3 spot with a proven vet. I too like Saffold but I think the team can afford 2 big interior OL contracts and the free agent crop is stacked with high end interior OL. I would love to see Matt Paradis and Saffold be brought in even if it costs 25 million in cap space to do so both players would instantly stabilize the O-line. The team would still have plenty of space to take care of Lorax and Kyle/Phillips while still being able to maybe add one or two other players. Defensively I wouldn't mind them re-signing EJ Gaines if he hits the market and could be had. I know we want the team to spend big on the offense but if there was one position where the team could plug a hole on defense it is CB and Gaines played really well in the system. I wouldn't go crazy on Gaines but if he could be had for 7 million AAV or less I think that would be a good signing and keep the defense strong for a modest investment. My wish list would be resign Lorax and Kyle if he wants to come back if Kyle doesn't come back resign Phillips or both if Phillips has reasonable demands. Then after taking care of those players Matt Paradis (Big Spend), Roger Saffold (Big Spend), Daryl Willams (at the right price), Golden Tate (Modest to big spend), EJ Gaines (At the right price), John Brown (If Zay isn't someone you feel can handle the WR3 position, not sure yet have to let it play out.) and I would consider a RB like Tevin Coleman but I think the wish list is already crazy as is so RB probably will be addressed in the draft in the mid rounds if Shady is or isn't on the roster.
MJS Posted October 25, 2018 Author Posted October 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Success said: It bothers me that fans of Monday’s opponent don’t start these threads until February, and we have them before Halloween. Have I mentioned this week that I hate the Patriots? I normally wouldn't, but next off-season is a big anomally. We have boat loads of cap space and a lot of draft picks. 2 hours ago, iccrewman112 said: Ryan Kalil, BobbieMassie, Rodger Saffold... OLINE FIXED. I am very skeptical that any starting caliber olinemen will be available. Oline play is just too bad around the league for there to be good players NOT resigned by their teams. I'm afraid we'll have to build the oline through the draft, which may take a long time.
Success Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, MJS said: I normally wouldn't, but next off-season is a big anomally. We have boat loads of cap space and a lot of draft picks. I don’t really fault the thread. I’m still thinking about the season, but also thinking more about the offseason than I should in October. It’s just kind of a bummer.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 2 hours ago, MJS said: In the draft the Bills should focus on offensive linemen, running backs, tight ends, corner backs, and then depth contributors across the board. Not focus but go for it big time. We won't win anything without a rock solid offensive line for a change.
MJS Posted October 25, 2018 Author Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Lorenzo Alexander is playing the best football of his career. No reason why he shouldn't be back. Yeah, I think he'll want to be back for at least one more year. This has been his only chance to start in the league. But he's old, and this is his last chance to make money, so he'll want to go wherever he gets paid the most. That's probably the Bills, but who knows?
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Rc2catch said: I would definitely bring back Yarborough and Phillips, and I fully agree this is clays last season here. I’m really not worried about the offensive line, I think they’ll land 2 eventual starters from the draft. But some depth free agent signings would be smart. The hard one is finding a legit receiver. We are going to need an elite type guy It's the first year where theres an actual cap savings to getting rid of clay - but its only 4.5 million. If any of these guys brings a cap charge of 4.5 million... they had better be a lot better than clay - which I'm not sure they are.
MJS Posted October 25, 2018 Author Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Not focus but go for it big time. We won't win anything without a rock solid offensive line for a change. That's the truth. I doubt that we'll be able to make major upgrades in free agency, so that leaves the draft for the oline, and how many quality starters on the line can they get in one draft? Maybe Teller, with a year under his belt, will be able to step it up and start at guard. That would be great, because then that's one less rookie or journeyman we have to start on the line. 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: Golden Tate, Jay Ajayi, Roger Saffold (big spend), Daryl Williams (need a Carolina connection, and we can get him on the cheap due to the injury and let him fight it out with Scott), a lesser known WR such as Tyrell Williams or Enunwa. Tate is a tactician. He is a great route runner and has great hands. I think he'd be huge for Allen's confidence, and he will help train our younger WR's. I'd rather bring in younger guys, but I would not dislike signing Tate. Anyone for bringing Chris Hogan back? I think he would be a great, cheap signing if New England doesn't resign him. He's a good 3rd / 4th guy who can fill in as your #2 if guys get injured.
billsfan89 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 56 minutes ago, dneveu said: It's the first year where theres an actual cap savings to getting rid of clay - but its only 4.5 million. If any of these guys brings a cap charge of 4.5 million... they had better be a lot better than clay - which I'm not sure they are. If Clay was a free agent would you sign him on a one year 4.5 million dollar deal? Considering the free agent class at TE is not strong I would rather hold onto Clay for one more year and draft a rookie who will have a decent (but overpaid) vet in front of him. Draft a WR round 1 and draft a tight end round 2 keep Clay so that you don't have to force a rookie in or at worst if a rookie shines you can move Clay around and have a weapon that can add versatility to the offense. 1
Foxx Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) i actually think we are a year too early with our cap room. we are so inept right now that potential free agents that might possibly consider coming here are going to be much more comfortable going to the Jets and/or Colts instead. meaning, we are going to have to overpay to get them to come here instead. if we were a year further along in McCoachs rebuild or if we didn't suck as much as we do currently, then we would be in prime position. unfortunately, we are not. Edited October 25, 2018 by Foxx
MJS Posted October 26, 2018 Author Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: If Clay was a free agent would you sign him on a one year 4.5 million dollar deal? Considering the free agent class at TE is not strong I would rather hold onto Clay for one more year and draft a rookie who will have a decent (but overpaid) vet in front of him. Draft a WR round 1 and draft a tight end round 2 keep Clay so that you don't have to force a rookie in or at worst if a rookie shines you can move Clay around and have a weapon that can add versatility to the offense. I think Clay is undersized (he's only 6'3", making him just a slow, tall WR) and hasn't really been all that effective here. He isn't an amazing run blocker. He gets hurt a lot. I would rather sign a free agent and draft another guy, but that's just me. I was happy to sign him back in the day, and I don't really regret it all that much, but I think it is time to move on. 28 minutes ago, Foxx said: i actually think we are a year too early with our cap room. we are so inept right now that potential free agents that might possibly consider coming here are going to be much more comfortable going to the Jets and/or Colts instead. meaning, we are going to have to overpay to get them to come here instead. if we were a year further along in McCoachs rebuild or if we didn't suck as much as we do currently, then we would be in prime position. unfortunately, we are not. I'm sure the coaching staff and general manager are very excited to get all the cap room and draft assets, and I highly doubt that they think it is a year too soon. I see what you are saying, but teams always have to pay a premium in free agency. These guys aren't going to go play for the Jets or Colts for less money. If the Bills offer more, their agents will let the other side know and say "If you want my guy, you have to offer more than the Bills". Edited October 26, 2018 by MJS
billsfan89 Posted October 26, 2018 Posted October 26, 2018 Just now, MJS said: I think Clay is undersized and hasn't really been all that effective here. He isn't an amazing run blocker. He gets hurt a lot. I would rather sign a free agent and draft another guy, but that's just me. I was happy to sign him back in the day, and I don't really regret it all that much, but I think it is time to move on. The cap savings on cutting him are 4.5 million. So the question is, is Charles Clay worth keeping at 4.5 million? I think so, I don't think the free agent class at TE is strong unless you want to overpay for a backup which is risky. I think it would be worth holding onto Clay for just one more year and draft a tight end behind him.
The Jokeman Posted October 26, 2018 Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, MJS said: I wanted to have an early look at the 2019 free agent class. The Bills are projected to have $91.4 million in cap space in 2019, third behind the Colts and the Jets (Spotrac). How should they spend it? Bills 2019 Free Agents: My guess is that Kyle Williams will be done. I could see Lorenzo Alexander being done too, although he may want to play another year. I think they should resign Jordan Phillips and perhaps that's all. Maybe Eddie Yarbrough. If Groy and Mills are cheap they might be best to bring back in case we can't get anyone better in FA or the draft. They'd be good backups if nothing else. I think the Bills need to do everything they can to sign 2 or 3 of the best WR's available. Potentially Donte Moncrief and John Brown. I would bring back Chris Hogan if the Pats let him walk. He isn't a great WR, but he is dependable and would be a good 3rd/4th WR. The Bills need to spend big on offensive line. The thing is, the pickings will be slim. The entire league is talent starved on the oline, so most guys with any value are going to be resigned by their current squads, or have been already. Anyone know some decent olinemen who will probably be available? If this is McCoy's last year as a Bill, I don't think they should target a top RB in free agency. I think they should draft one. I'd also like to see them draft a big, athletic TE. Clay is undersized as a TE, gets injured a lot, and can be cut in 2019 for a manageable cap hit (as far as I understand). I think it's time to move on from Clay. On the defensive side I think a big hole will be OLB. We'll probably have money to spend even after bringing in a bunch of offensive guys. Anthony Barr is scheduled to be a free agent. Do you think he would hit free agency? I realize he would be expensive, but if we have he space I would want the Bills to pursue him. Barr, Edmunds, and Milano would be a great linebacker corps. In the draft the Bills should focus on offensive linemen, running backs, tight ends, corner backs, and then depth contributors across the board. Who do you think the Bills should target in free agency? Here is a list of potential unrestricted free agents: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/ufa/ Anthony Barr be my top pick and love to bring back EJ Gaines. Edited October 26, 2018 by The Jokeman
MJS Posted October 26, 2018 Author Posted October 26, 2018 36 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Anthony Barr be my top pick and love to bring back EJ Gaines. Yeah. We would have a sweet linbacker unit if we added him. I do wonder if he'll be available, though.
Rc2catch Posted October 26, 2018 Posted October 26, 2018 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: The cap savings on cutting him are 4.5 million. So the question is, is Charles Clay worth keeping at 4.5 million? I think so, I don't think the free agent class at TE is strong unless you want to overpay for a backup which is risky. I think it would be worth holding onto Clay for just one more year and draft a tight end behind him. You never know who becomes available for free agency. While clay can be serviceable I’m sure someone productive with a little more athleticism will be around to sign without breaking the bank. Kroft in cinci seems decent, Baltimore has some young guys becoming available. Or veterans like Jared cook etc etc. Im just not sold the guy is a baller. He just seems to always be going through the motions out there. Like he’s not hungry anymore
BADOLBILZ Posted October 26, 2018 Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, billsfan89 said: Golden Tate would be a good place to start, he is a mid-level WR2 PSA..........Golden Tate is going to put up his 3rd straight 1,000 yard season this year(and 4th in 5 seasons).....he was 7th in the NFL in receptions and 14th in yardage last season....he may not be the guy you want to lead up your ideal WR corps but he's most certainly not a mid-level WR2. Edited October 26, 2018 by BADOLBILZ
Bill Murray Posted October 26, 2018 Posted October 26, 2018 pay him and sign Jadavean Clowney for $16mm a year. Eff it, why not, we have the $. Stick him in there pass rushing w Hughes and our secondary will watch the INTs come pouring in. Nasty. All remaining $ on O-Line and Offensive skill players (still like $70mm). A speed WR, big target TE, and whatever quality OLine you can find. Then draft more linemen, and a RB in the 2nd - 4th. If a top pick, choose between best LT or trade down to draft a top G and RT. If you find a top 5 LT, either move Dockins to his college position of G, or give him a go at RT for bookends.
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