1st Ammendment NoMas Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 You forgot QB2 or maybe QB #1 Allen is not a sure thing at this point. Add WR#1, WR#2. Zay is a #3. No one else should be on the roster. 1
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 QB is the overarching need of this franchise. But assuming the team will not draft serious QB in 2019, then I think its reasonable to expect that we need the following on offense: WR, WR, TE, RG, RT, RB. On defense: DE, OLB, CB.
Cash Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t expect them to use all 10 picks. I expect them to use those picks to move up for specific guys that they have been trying to get. As an example, the Bills trade their 4th and a 5th to move back up to the end of day 2 if there is a player that they love. I expect them to pull 4 to 5 starters from the draft and hopefully some improved depth. That's asking a lot, especially if they're only going to use 8 or so picks. It's fairly reasonable to expect the first rounder to be a starter*, and probably one out of the 2nd/3rd rounders. After that, I think you'd be lucky (or good!) if more than 2/7 of the late round picks hit. I think a more realistic expectation is 3 starters and 2-3 quality depth players. *I mean quality starter, not someone who is starting only because there's no better option. It's early yet, but so far the only confirmed quality starters drafter under McD are: Tre White (1st) Dion Dawkins (2nd) Matt Milano (5th) Tremaine Edmunds (1st, debatable if he's quality yet but I say he barely makes the cutoff) Taron Johnson (4th - nickel corner is a starter IMO. Only worry here is durability) Put it another way: in 2017, the Bills went 1/3 on day three picks. In 2018, they went 1/5. If they keep all 7 in 2019, we can probably expect either 1 or 2 hits. If they trade a few, probably just 1, plus whoever they trade up for. Zay Jones would like to remind you that just because you trade up for him doesn't mean he'll be great.
golfball323 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 39 minutes ago, Shotgunner said: I don't expect them to have it all buttoned-up next season. I expect something to the effect of: -Making a trade for a relatively highly paid proven vet. Probably not elite, but a definite proven quantity at starter -Hand out 1 or 2 semi-large contracts in FA, hopefully proven quantities as well -Draft whoever we can given the remaining holes -Stay near the cap floor (or at least nowhere near the cap limit), and carry that extra money into 2020 to fill out the team with another round of FA and another draft (plus you know Beane will be active with the trades). Correct. This was a two year tear down with a two year rebuild.
Kirby Jackson Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Cash said: That's asking a lot, especially if they're only going to use 8 or so picks. It's fairly reasonable to expect the first rounder to be a starter*, and probably one out of the 2nd/3rd rounders. After that, I think you'd be lucky (or good!) if more than 2/7 of the late round picks hit. I think a more realistic expectation is 3 starters and 2-3 quality depth players. *I mean quality starter, not someone who is starting only because there's no better option. It's early yet, but so far the only confirmed quality starters drafter under McD are: Tre White (1st) Dion Dawkins (2nd) Matt Milano (5th) Tremaine Edmunds (1st, debatable if he's quality yet but I say he barely makes the cutoff) Taron Johnson (4th - nickel corner is a starter IMO. Only worry here is durability) Put it another way: in 2017, the Bills went 1/3 on day three picks. In 2018, they went 1/5. If they keep all 7 in 2019, we can probably expect either 1 or 2 hits. If they trade a few, probably just 1, plus whoever they trade up for. Zay Jones would like to remind you that just because you trade up for him doesn't mean he'll be great. I guess that I look at this team as one with a lot of holes. I think that they could need up to 9 starters on offense and a couple on defense. If they end up picking 4 times in the first 100 picks I don’t think 4 starters is unreasonable with this roster. They should have 3 top 70 picks already. You really only need to hit on one Johnson or Milano and you are at that number. As Bandit mentioned, you may see some picks swapped for players as well. 1
Heavy Kevi Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, golfball323 said: Correct. This was a two year tear down with a two year rebuild. Yeah, I think alot of people are operating on the assumption that McBeane's collective seats are getting hot and need to put something together fast. I reject this thinking for 2 reasons: 1. Playoffs. We made it last year and I believe it bought McD AT LEAST 3 more years 2. Pegulas. They were patient on a long, drawn-out rebuild with the Sabres and it is showing signs that it may have worked. Now I believe they are more prone to 'let it play out' with McBeane and no longer want to mortgage the future for instant gratification (that doesn't work anyway). 2
billsredneck1 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said: Unbelievable..,, why do people think Holmes is so great at STs?! The dude makes zero plays at WR and STs. He can go! ....and brandon reilly worked his tail off to become good on st. and should have taken one of those wr spots. rayray on the 53? seriously? 1
uticaclub Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) This is the danger in tanking and full rebuilds, you left yourself too many to holes to fill in or two off seasons & then once you have hole fixed another pops up. OP also didn’t mention backup QB, there’s a better than average chance Allen flops and we some backup plan there Edited October 25, 2018 by uticaclub
Kirby Jackson Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: ....and brandon reilly worked his tail off to become good on st. and should have taken one of those wr spots. rayray on the 53? seriously? Would it be much different though? Reilly is still sitting at home. He isn’t worth being outraged over. He looked like he belonged on the roster but is no more than a back of the roster talent. I’m much more outraged that they thought NP could play. 1
Bring it Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: Just draft 10 wrs and spend 90 M on the oline. Normally I would laugh at this but if you make it 9 wrs and a tight end I’m on board!
BuffaloBillies Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 It would be painful to watch 1st round talent go off the board, but considering all the needs, I would be in favor of trading down twice, picking up multiple 2nd/3rd/4th round picks. And then maybe package our mid-to-lower round picks to move up some too. In the end, trying to convert those 10 picks across all rounds, into 6-7 picks in rounds 2-4. Players who are more likely to be able to come in and start day 1 next year.
thebandit27 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 Just now, BuffaloBillies said: It would be painful to watch 1st round talent go off the board, but considering all the needs, I would be in favor of trading down twice, picking up multiple 2nd/3rd/4th round picks. And then maybe package our mid-to-lower round picks to move up some too. In the end, trying to convert those 10 picks across all rounds, into 6-7 picks in rounds 2-4. Players who are more likely to be able to come in and start day 1 next year. I think that would be a poor decision. Use FA to fill needs; drafting to fill needs tends to leave talent on the board. 1 1
Bill from NYC Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: I think that would be a poor decision. Use FA to fill needs; drafting to fill needs tends to leave talent on the board. Agree in principle but in 2019, almost every position of the Bills will be a genuine need. I wouldn't mind trading a top 5 pick if we get one, but I want the right price. 1
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I think that would be a poor decision. Use FA to fill needs; drafting to fill needs tends to leave talent on the board. I never have agreed with this. Fill the holes on your team. The Bills are not good enough to grab another MLB in the 1st Round just because they rate him a 92 and the best WR available a 90. This team is depleted at almost every position.
GunnerBill Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 Answer..... On defense: - Philip Gaines and every other corner not name Tre White or Taron Johnson on the roster. - Rafael Bush. Bills and Bush just don't go together. - Trent Murphy. Always hobbled and insufficient production for the price. On offense: - Everyone except Josh Allen, Dion Dawkins and LeSean McCoy 12 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said: It would be painful to watch 1st round talent go off the board, but considering all the needs, I would be in favor of trading down twice, picking up multiple 2nd/3rd/4th round picks. And then maybe package our mid-to-lower round picks to move up some too. In the end, trying to convert those 10 picks across all rounds, into 6-7 picks in rounds 2-4. Players who are more likely to be able to come in and start day 1 next year. The draft is not for filling needs for the season that follows. If that is your approach you are doing the draft wrong.
thebandit27 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I never have agreed with this. Fill the holes on your team. The Bills are not good enough to grab another MLB in the 1st Round just because they rate him a 92 and the best WR available a 90. This team is depleted at almost every position. That's exactly what teams that draft well do. The only exception is QB, because if you don't have one, you should be drafting any QB that could potentially become a franchise guy. 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: The draft is not for filling needs for the season that follows. If that is your approach you are doing the draft wrong. Exactly. 1
Kirby Jackson Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I never have agreed with this. Fill the holes on your team. The Bills are not good enough to grab another MLB in the 1st Round just because they rate him a 92 and the best WR available a 90. This team is depleted at almost every position. You kind of contradict yourself here. You say that “they basically need everyone but draft for need.” Good teams never draft for need. That’s what FA is for. The draft is for enhancing your talent level.
Soda Popinski Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 if we trot out 10 rookies next year, 4-12 will be the ceiling of this team.
GunnerBill Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: The Bills are not good enough to grab another MLB in the 1st Round just because they rate him a 92 and the best WR available a 90. A 92 and a 90 are probably close enough that they are in the same tier of prospects I can live with that. In any one draft there are rarely more than 7 or 8 true elite prospects. I don't pass on one of them (especially if they are in a premium position) to take a non elite prospect at a position of need. It is the equivalent of passing on your 92 MLB for an 85 WR. There is clear differentiation there - take the elite prospect.
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