I actually like Daboll!

[Doc Brown]

2 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

The second I read somewhat lacking is the second I stopped reading the rest.

Yet you have no trouble posting words after it.  

[JPP]

Daboll's past NFL record is garbage however with that being said.....a competant OC could benefit from a good line....a decent or even good receiving corp.....a QB....even a somewhat below average QB he could work with........the guy has none of this......not his fault obviously......despite his past record if this team ever fixes this offense he should get another shot.....

[Nihilarian]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But we ran a decent coordinator out of town in Greg Roman to get worse. 

 

I have our OL 4th worst after Houston, Arizona and Tampa. The WR is undisputably the worst in the league. Indeed it might be the worst I have ever seen in 16 years of watching this league. And yea, the QB has either been rookie errors, total ineptitude or dangerous Derek. 

While I did like what Greg Roman did in 2015 with the Bills having the #1 team in the league in rushing, rushing TDs and YPC average. He did stumble the next year in that first game against the Ravens with 24 rushes for 64 yards, Taylor stunk too. Then in the next game 19 rushes for 86 yards and the run game was bad again. Although, Taylor was 19 of 30 for 294 yards and 3 TDs. Rex Ryan scapegoated Roman for their 0-2 start, I suppose because the run game wasn't helping his craptastic defense enough. 

 

RB coach Anthony Lynn, after taking over for Roman did resurrect the run game and again the 2016 Buffalo Bills finishing the season with the #1 team in the NFL in rushing yards, rushing TDs and yards per attempt. Both OCs never did get the passing offense working with Tyrod Taylor though. 

 

 

As far as the 2018 offensive line is concerned, it is underperforming compared to what it was with Woods, Incognito with them. Still, they are not as bad as they looked those first six games with QBs Peterman, Allen starting. Mostly because neither guy knows how to set protections and run an offense like Daboll was calling. 

 

Derek Anderson speaking after the game stated that the line held up pretty good and only had one setback in protections that they corrected on the sidelines after that series. Anderson was only sacked 2x in that Indy game and the passing offense started to look better then it had previously under the two inexperience QBs. Especially considering the guy only had two weeks to prepare to start coming off the street. 

 

Football outsiders lists the Bills as 22nd in run blocking and 29th in pass blocking and I would think that the latter will get much better the longer Anderson plays as he knows how to read a defense and set protections. Thus, he will take less sacks and make the more downfield throws that Daboll wants. I also think the receiving corps will also look better with Anderson at QB as he gets more in sync with those guys. KB looked better then he has with 4 receptions for 71 yards. 

 

Also, I noticed that Anderson targeted the RBs more often then others as he looked for an outlet when the deeper throws weren't there.  I'm not expecting that much right now because Anderson has had such a short amount of time to acclimate himself to this offense. I suspect the more he plays the better the passing offense will get. JMO

 

[MPT]

Like, as a person? 

[Augie]

1 minute ago, MPT said:

Like, as a person? 

 

He’s a lot of fun at party’s, and he makes a mean chili! He’s tight lipped about that recipe, but he gave me a few tips. 

 

 

I’m with the “it’s hard to judge the guy” crowd here. An artist couldn’t even finger paint....without some paint. 

[PrimeTime101]

8 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Yet you have no trouble posting words after it.  

yep no problems at all

[vincec]

On 10/25/2018 at 1:18 AM, John from Riverside said:

Which is?

Sure isn’t the one he’s running now

On 10/25/2018 at 11:25 AM, KD in CA said:

 

I can almost hear the reactionaries screaming "Fire Marchibroda!!"

 

 

I don’t remember hearing too much of that. Actually, Marchibroda May have gotten more credit that he deserved given how effective the offense was after he left.

On 10/25/2018 at 12:06 PM, billsfan11 said:

Well he is the leader of the 32nd ranked offence in the NFL, which is also historically bad. We can start with that.. There are many things I don’t like about Daboll. Like his predictable play calling, obsession with go routes, etc.

 

I just don’t think it’s necessary to call out posters when they have an opinion on something they don’t like. You’ve done it to me multiple times and I find it very obnoxious.

 

We are FANS here that have different occupations to these coaches/players that make millions of dollars. We should be allowed to comment on something without getting called out by another poster asking for a detailed explanation of the Xs and Os on how to fix the problem.

 

 I don’t think anyone on this board is putting in their resume to become the offensive coordinator. So maybe just relax a little bit and let’s not take it so serious eh?

It’s standard protocol for some of the posters here. If you criticize the Bills they attack you instead of trying to dispute your opinion. It’s their way of trying to get you to stop saying things they don’t want to hear. It’s standard protocol for many on the internet really.

Edited October 28, 2018 by vincec

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 10/25/2018 at 12:02 AM, Estelle Getty said:

The man is atleast attempting to run a real NFL offense. Very rarely do you see the run, run, pass combo we have come so accustom to over the last few years. Gone are the days of draw up the middle out of the shotgun for 1 yard over and over. 

 

The only issue is he is trying to run a modern day NFL offense with Junior College talent.  I think his stubbornness will pay off in the long run by helping to weed out the players who can’t hack it in a real offense. Much like we saw a defensive overhaul this year I would expect the same on offense next year.  

 

I have confidence that McBeane have the ability to figure it out, as they did on defense.  As far as McDermott, let’s not forget he got us to the playoffs with a joke of a roster last year.  This year any educated fan could see we were not built to win although there was always the outside chance much like last year.     

 

De Gustibus and all that.  Where I've done a deep dive play by play into his games, the play designs seem strange to me - overly complex, with layered deceptions that don't seem in sync with how a real NFL defense would actually react.  He seemed slow to move away from run blocking concepts that weren't working through several games, and the pass protection concepts seem unable to adjust to pick up stuff like linebackers charging up the middle.

 

The play calls also seem at times situationally inappropriate.  Why call a slant for 2 yds on 3rd and 8? and so forth.

To be fair, Daboll also does some stuff that is nice, and results in getting guys open that are missed.

On 10/25/2018 at 12:26 AM, KD in CA said:

The only certain things in life are death, taxes and TSW hating whoever holds the job of Bills OC.

 

 

I thought ALynn did a pretty good job taking over for Roman.  Chan Gailey had his points and in some ways did more with less.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 10/25/2018 at 10:28 AM, dave mcbride said:

No, the Bills' talent under Gailey was actually far, far superior to what we have now. I think many people simply don't realize the historic badness of the Bills' offensive talent right now. It's unprecedented.

 

I really think that's a hard argument to make.

[3rdand12]

18 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

While I did like what Greg Roman did in 2015 with the Bills having the #1 team in the league in rushing, rushing TDs and YPC average. He did stumble the next year in that first game against the Ravens with 24 rushes for 64 yards, Taylor stunk too. Then in the next game 19 rushes for 86 yards and the run game was bad again. Although, Taylor was 19 of 30 for 294 yards and 3 TDs. Rex Ryan scapegoated Roman for their 0-2 start, I suppose because the run game wasn't helping his craptastic defense enough. 

 

RB coach Anthony Lynn, after taking over for Roman did resurrect the run game and again the 2016 Buffalo Bills finishing the season with the #1 team in the NFL in rushing yards, rushing TDs and yards per attempt. Both OCs never did get the passing offense working with Tyrod Taylor though. 

 

 

As far as the 2018 offensive line is concerned, it is underperforming compared to what it was with Woods, Incognito with them. Still, they are not as bad as they looked those first six games with QBs Peterman, Allen starting. Mostly because neither guy knows how to set protections and run an offense like Daboll was calling. 

 

Derek Anderson speaking after the game stated that the line held up pretty good and only had one setback in protections that they corrected on the sidelines after that series. Anderson was only sacked 2x in that Indy game and the passing offense started to look better then it had previously under the two inexperience QBs. Especially considering the guy only had two weeks to prepare to start coming off the street. 

 

Football outsiders lists the Bills as 22nd in run blocking and 29th in pass blocking and I would think that the latter will get much better the longer Anderson plays as he knows how to read a defense and set protections. Thus, he will take less sacks and make the more downfield throws that Daboll wants. I also think the receiving corps will also look better with Anderson at QB as he gets more in sync with those guys. KB looked better then he has with 4 receptions for 71 yards. 

 

Also, I noticed that Anderson targeted the RBs more often then others as he looked for an outlet when the deeper throws weren't there.  I'm not expecting that much right now because Anderson has had such a short amount of time to acclimate himself to this offense. I suspect the more he plays the better the passing offense will get. JMO

 

Roman's second year was tougher since everyteam had studied Tyrod by that point and began to load up to force tyrod to throw. It worked.

and that is much of the reason the running game faltered.

 Whatever Lynn did > it worked.

 Anderson is smart enough to get in and out of bad plays which helps a lot.
They still need to put forth a balanced attack. Defenses are going to force the pass until Daboll can get some completions and then YAC.

I have two strong opinions about Daboll as first season with Bills.

1) it IS his first season with a bunch of new Coaches . Needs time to figure what he has.
2) Players to work with. this might be a factor no OC could overcome : )
Like McD did with Beane? He waited for Beane to make the call on QB in the draft.

 I feel he is going to do the same with Brian. post season they look at what types of players they need to bring in. 

3 ) i know , i said two strong opinions

4)  3 Quarters to plan and adjust for. 4 i you account for AJM.

Hard to get any traction under these circumstances.
5 ) yes, worst overall group of WRs known to modern man> if they released Benjamin ? the grade and rating would improve immediately  

aaarrgghh

 

 I like Daboll. he gets some time from me

[dave mcbride]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I really think that's a hard argument to make.

I don’t. The Bills’ talent on O is the worst I’ve ever seen for this franchise since at least the early 80s. And it’s probably worse than those early 80s teams.

[vincec]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I really think that's a hard argument to make.

The one thing he did have was Fitz. He is miles better than anything on the Bills right now and QB is so important. But even so, you could argue that Gailey turned Fitz into the slightly below average QB he is. He was a total scrub up until the Bills got him.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, vincec said:

The one thing he did have was Fitz. He is miles better than anything on the Bills right now and QB is so important. But even so, you could argue that Gailey turned Fitz into the slightly below average QB he is. He was a total scrub up until the Bills got him.

 

He actually had shown glimpses before, which I think is one reason the Bills picked him up.  His very first game he passed for >300 yds and led a comeback win.  I know 'cuz he was playing for St Louis then.

7 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

I don’t. The Bills’ talent on O is the worst I’ve ever seen for this franchise since at least the early 80s. And it’s probably worse than those early 80s teams.

 

OK, make it then - compare position by position.  Go.

[Like A Mofo]

I really believe if the Bills have another offensive performance like GB or last week, Daboll will be fired by Wednesday.

[BuffaLoko]

On 10/25/2018 at 12:17 AM, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

What offense will maximize each players talents? That's his job.

What if ... even if he ¨maximizes ¨ such talents, the result is below average? I swear I embrace the ¨adapt a system to the players´ talents or strengths, and not the other way..."  speech and all, but as many reiterate here, the issue is that with this talent, there is not enough ¨maximization ¨ in order to win consistently!! we need the system to flush out the players that can´t step up to it!! 

[Bing Bong]

2 hours ago, BuffaLoko said:

What if ... even if he ¨maximizes ¨ such talents, the result is below average? I swear I embrace the ¨adapt a system to the players´ talents or strengths, and not the other way..."  speech and all, but as many reiterate here, the issue is that with this talent, there is not enough ¨maximization ¨ in order to win consistently!! we need the system to flush out the players that can´t step up to it!! 

I expected this offense to suck with the loss in O Line and crappy WR, no QBs etc. regardless. I'm just commenting on the theme of the OP that Daboll is crushing it with this fantastic scheme that'll work when he's got the Falcons. He's not crushing it lol, and we're a far cry away a Falcons, Saints, Chiefs offense, so I don't really care what he could hypothetically do with that.

 

The OP is saying it's awesome we're putting our square peg scheme in a round hole because one day he'll get a square hole. It just sounds stupid that he's not tabling his genius square peg scheme and rather just focusing on getting first downs anyway anyhow. Ya know, Chan Gailey style.. which is still super difficult but much more difficult when we're assuming he's making his scheme on imagined personnel we don't have and might not quite have next year either.

 

Just to clarify my comment since it's getting destroyed by everybody. I am just fundamentally opposed to coordinators playing a scheme that they think is genius when it's not considering personnell..  which is the theme of the OP. A good coordinator shouldn't be doing that (and he's probably not) but if the OP is getting his rocks off at this than I wholeheartedly disagree with his very subjective hypothesis.

2 hours ago, BuffaLoko said:

we need the system to flush out the players that can´t step up to it!! 

And to this point, I can see the merit there. But OC's should know thier personnel inside out. Anybody getting flushed by an offense that doesn't fit them, should be flushed as he practices a couple reps and sees they don't fit his true desired offense. Come game time just put whatever gimmicky scheme gets first downs and make a mental note Foster's drop on an easy play makes him unelidgable for whatever genius scheme he wants to implement.

 

Again I'm not saying Daboll is doing this, I'm disagreeing with the OP that it's not the sign of a good OC if he is.

Edited October 29, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[Teddy KGB]

Daboll can get lost, him and Castillo 

 

 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I’d like Dabol to leave the team tomorrow 

[Freddie's Dead]

***** you and the horse you rode in on.

[jr1]