Tank losers, that record is part of history.

[SoTier]

5 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

It is not in McD's process to outright tank. However they seem to be in a "Soft Tank" mode (That is try to win as much as possible but do not make aggressive moves to improve the roster to try and squeak out one extra win which wouldn't be very helpful) which kind of stands by what they did the previous year (Trading Sammy and Darby for picks but taking back players like EJ and Matthews to help compete.) 

 

I do think that the defense will be good enough to win 3-4 more games (I think they at least split the Jets and Fins games while sneaking 1-2 other games) for this team which would put them between 5-6 wins. That's not going to net a massive pick but it should put them well within the top 10 draft wise where they can find a dynamic offensive player hopefully. 

 

It's not a "soft tank".  It's "money ball", which is what the Bills played for more than a decade under Russ Brandon, only far more incompetently done than even when Dick Jauron was running the manure show.  After all, it took Jauron more than 3 seasons to bring the Bills to a similar talentless state that McDermott and Beane have achieved in less than 2.    What the Bills have been playing since Whaley got the axe in 2017 is "money ball" run by incompetents with no eye for offensive talent and a mindset stuck in the 1970s or 1980s.  

[McBean]

Yeah having top draft picks suck!

 

Who wants to have the opportunity to draft a  Andrew Luck or Carson Wentz first overall!??

 

sucks I tell ya! SUCKS!

[Bob in STL]

8 hours ago, 3u751k said:

I'm watching every Bills game.  I don't give a f#ck anymore.

 

I'd rather the Bills be 3 - 13 and make teams earn every point, other than watching them surrender.  

 

Screw our QBs if they can't go.  Hand it and lateral it off to WRs.

 

If we are going out losing we might as well treat ourselves to the most unorthodox gameplay.

 

If you think this thread sucks you can bite me, those entitled 

 

Draft picks haven't meant I thing for the past 20 years and they won't matter next year.

 

Let's win right now with the heart, soul and outside forces we have.

 

All of our accumulated draft picks this season won't mean squat if our FO wastes them on a buncha religious choir boys.

 

Its that “making teams earn every point” part that was funniest. Have you seen our specials teams and offense?  

 

With this teams collective “heart and soul” they are good for about 4 or 5 wins.  Enjoy. 

[Mr. WEO]

42 minutes ago, McBean said:

Yeah having top draft picks suck!

 

Who wants to have the opportunity to draft a  Andrew Luck or Carson Wentz first overall!??

 

sucks I tell ya! SUCKS!

 

Yes we should tank so we can draft Luck or Wentz 1st overall.

 

 

[row_33]

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

There really is no such thing as tanking in the NFL. It's a hockey term and maybe another sport or two.

 

In football, what they do is rebuild.

 

Spurs tanked to draft Robinson and then Duncan

 

 

[Soda Popinski]

If we're going to draft top 5, I want Bosa.    We've seen what his brother does with Ingram in LA.   

 

Then I want WRs/OL.    We have all those picks in this draft, no need to use them all, trade picks and move up into the 2nd and 3rd round.   

[Epstein's Mother]

9 hours ago, 3u751k said:

I'm watching every Bills game.  I don't give a f#ck anymore.

 

I'd rather the Bills be 3 - 13 and make teams earn every point, other than watching them surrender.  

 

Screw our QBs if they can't go.  Hand it and lateral it off to WRs.

 

If we are going out losing we might as well treat ourselves to the most unorthodox gameplay.

 

If you think this thread sucks you can bite me, those entitled 

 

Draft picks haven't meant I thing for the past 20 years and they won't matter next year.

 

Let's win right now with the heart, soul and outside forces we have.

 

All of our accumulated draft picks this season won't mean squat if our FO wastes them on a buncha religious choir boys.

 

If being a fan of this team is too hard for you then you should quit.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

You're right.

 

Mike Schopp makes this point all the time. 

 

You're the double digit underdog Bills. What are you going to do to compensate?

 

Instead the Bills do what they always do. Talk about running the ball to make the game shorter and running draw plays on 3rd-12 to avoid the turnover. 

 

I expect McDermott to go straight from Coaching in the 1700's and try to have 98 year old Derek Anderson dump off and play safe all night to avoid turnovers. McDermott is as cutting edge as a butter knife. 

[Bill from NYC]

2 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

It's not a "soft tank".  It's "money ball", which is what the Bills played for more than a decade under Russ Brandon, only far more incompetently done than even when Dick Jauron was running the manure show.  After all, it took Jauron more than 3 seasons to bring the Bills to a similar talentless state that McDermott and Beane have achieved in less than 2.    What the Bills have been playing since Whaley got the axe in 2017 is "money ball" run by incompetents with no eye for offensive talent and a mindset stuck in the 1970s or 1980s.  

Yes but he tried lol!!!

 

In his first draft (2006), Jauron and Levy absolutely destroyed this team.

 

After that draft I said that the team would be harmed for 5 years by their stupidity. It turned out that I fell way short on my prediction.

[Augie]

5 hours ago, Búfalo Blanco said:

So, where was happy hour tonight...? I must try this place...

 

This feels more like it went all afternoon and well into the evening. It’s the “extended happy hour” that creates this jibberish. 

[st pete gogolak]

I was going to start a separate thread but this may fit in this one (just about anything can fit into this one).  It's the Animal House argument.  "We're going to get waxed Monday night no matter what we do so we might as well have a good time doing it."  Let's do something we haven't done in 17 years with Brady.  Blitz every play.  Play tight coverage.  Hit him every play.  Hit him after the whistle.  Hit him at the knees.  Hit him in the head.  He'll kill you if you blitz but so what.  He'll kill you if you don't.  The penalties won't help but so what.  We're not going to win the game no matter what.  For chrissakes, he's 41, see if he can absorb some punishment. 

 

On an unrelated topic the local paper decided to print all time leaders in TD passes.  Three of the top nine are from the same draft class (E. Manning, Rivers and Rothlisberger).  Gee, to bad we didn't pick a QB that year. 

[oldmanfan]

17 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

I was going to start a separate thread but this may fit in this one (just about anything can fit into this one).  It's the Animal House argument.  "We're going to get waxed Monday night no matter what we do so we might as well have a good time doing it."  Let's do something we haven't done in 17 years with Brady.  Blitz every play.  Play tight coverage.  Hit him every play.  Hit him after the whistle.  Hit him at the knees.  Hit him in the head.  He'll kill you if you blitz but so what.  He'll kill you if you don't.  The penalties won't help but so what.  We're not going to win the game no matter what.  For chrissakes, he's 41, see if he can absorb some punishment. 

 

On an unrelated topic the local paper decided to print all time leaders in TD passes.  Three of the top nine are from the same draft class (E. Manning, Rivers and Rothlisberger).  Gee, to bad we didn't pick a QB that year. 

We did.  Losman.  We picked the wrong one.

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

Yes but he tried lol!!!

 

In his first draft (2006), Jauron and Levy absolutely destroyed this team.

 

After that draft I said that the team would be harmed for 5 years by their stupidity. It turned out that I fell way short on my prediction.

I know where you stand on this, Bill, but it is the case that the best Bills draftee of this century was part of that 2006 class. I don't really care when he was drafted either; what matters is that he was. 

[Bill from NYC]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

I know where you stand on this, Bill, but it is the case that the best Bills draftee of this century was part of that 2006 class. I don't really care when he was drafted either; what matters is that he was. 

No doubt. Kyle Williams in round 5 was great beyond comprehension. And pure luck. Remember, he wasn't even the first DL they drafted. In fact, they traded up to get McCargo who was almost as bad as Williams is good.

Count me as one who believes that the quality of a draft is determined a lot by the players a team passes on. We passed on stars to take Donte Whitner.

[corta765]

BOYS WERE BRINGING THE WISHBONE BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Soda Popinski]

3 minutes ago, corta765 said:

BOYS WERE BRINGING THE WISHBONE BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lets go Wing T and really fool these defenses.

[dave mcbride]

5 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

No doubt. Kyle Williams in round 5 was great beyond comprehension. And pure luck. Remember, he wasn't even the first DL they drafted. In fact, they traded up to get McCargo who was almost as bad as Williams is good.

Count me as one who believes that the quality of a draft is determined a lot by the players a team passes on. We passed on stars to take Donte Whitner.

Agreed. 

[Juice_32]

11 hours ago, 3u751k said:

I'm watching every Bills game.  I don't give a f#ck anymore.

 

I'd rather the Bills be 3 - 13 and make teams earn every point, other than watching them surrender.  

 

Screw our QBs if they can't go.  Hand it and lateral it off to WRs.

 

If we are going out losing we might as well treat ourselves to the most unorthodox gameplay.

 

If you think this thread sucks you can bite me, those entitled 

 

Draft picks haven't meant I thing for the past 20 years and they won't matter next year.

 

Let's win right now with the heart, soul and outside forces we have.

 

All of our accumulated draft picks this season won't mean squat if our FO wastes them on a buncha religious choir boys.

 

I think I see what you're saying and I think I agree. I think.

[billsfan89]

5 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

It's not a "soft tank".  It's "money ball", which is what the Bills played for more than a decade under Russ Brandon, only far more incompetently done than even when Dick Jauron was running the manure show.  After all, it took Jauron more than 3 seasons to bring the Bills to a similar talentless state that McDermott and Beane have achieved in less than 2.    What the Bills have been playing since Whaley got the axe in 2017 is "money ball" run by incompetents with no eye for offensive talent and a mindset stuck in the 1970s or 1980s.  

 

I think its one and the same. McBeane sold ownership on a 3 year plan. The first two years were going to be spent selling off the assets and expensive contracts brought in under Rex/Whaley for draft picks. By year 2 they would have a rookie QB but probably not be ready to compete. By year 3 they would have the critical pieces in place and the cap space needed to up the talent level on the roster. Overall I think they made a smart decision to commit to a deep rebuild with a coach and GM that had a vision. They overachieved in year 1 and that upped the expectations in year 2 but people over estimating the talent level on the roster has a lot of fans but hurt. Not that McBeane hasn't mismanaged the QB position but the offense would still be bad had they kept AJ McCaron. 

[SoTier]

7 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

We did.  Losman.  We picked the wrong one.

 

 We traded up (actually, traded back into the first round) to get him, too, because the Bills just had to draft a first round QB in "the greatest QB class since 1983".  It doesn't matter if 10 QBs in the first round become "franchise QBs" if you're the team that drafts the guy who busts.  What was even worse about 2004 was that the Bills 2005 first round (part of the pick package to trade up) was #18.  Aaron Rodgers was in that draft and didn't go until #24.