McBeane Confidence

[John from Riverside]

They are going to be fine.....while there have been some flops for sure there have also been some real successes......all while eating a poo poo dead cap year sandwich and getting reps to a raw rookie QB after we lost 3/4's of our offensive line

[Thurman#1]

40 - 60% for both. They have a lot to prove. I'm very hopeful but I'm from Missouri, though I've only been there for about 48 hours.

[Alphadawg7]

8 hours ago, sven233 said:

 

You're a special kind of special and I feel sorry for you.  You're constantly wrong and I just can't help your level of incompetence.  You're worth nothing, especially my time.

 

Valium bud, take a Valium

Edited October 24, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[GunnerBill]

I am confident still on McDermott as a coach (more questionable on his input to personnel). I am not bowled over by Beane a this stage. He has managed a tear down which is the easy bit. This offseason is massive for him.

[Scott7975]

I didn’t vote. I expected this season to happen the way it is but I must say confidence is still fading. They make no moves to help their rookie QB whatsoever. 

[ALF]

Giants are going to lose the race to the NFL's basement, too | Politi

 

Buffalo: The Bills, who somehow have managed to win two games in spite of themselves already, pulled quarterback Derek Anderson off the street and made him the starter in a 37-5 loss to -- wait for it -- another team on this list. That, ladies and germs, is how you suck properly. ?

 

Meanwhile, the race to the bottom for the chance to draft Oregon quarterback Justin Herbert -- can we call it Suck for the Duck? -- has a host of lousy contenders for the No. 1 pick (and that's assuming Herbert leaves school early).

 

https://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2018/10/giants_are_going_to_lose_the_race_to_the_nfls_base.html

[CLTbills]

On 10/22/2018 at 1:14 PM, H2o said:

I took 60-80% on both. What they did with marginal talent last year was amazing. I expected this year to be worse than last due to simple math with subtractions versus additions. I think the tide starts to turn next year and everyone will see it. In this league you never know though so I will hold out until I see what we are looking like early next May. 

Absolutely. I'm on board with you here.  This season was supposed to suck. Seeing what they did last year with crap talent was certainly promising.

 

On 10/22/2018 at 2:07 PM, The_Dude said:

McDumbass sealed his fate when he traded the 10th pick to the Chiefs 2 drafts ago. What. An. Idiot. 

You do realize Doug Whaley was the GM, right? I'm getting awfully tired of having to point this out over. and over. and over.

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

I didn’t vote. I expected this season to happen the way it is but I must say confidence is still fading. They make no moves to help their rookie QB whatsoever. 

This is stupid. What moves? Trade away draft picks to get a WR so we'll win 6 games instead of 4? What's the point of that? At that point we're still not going anywhere this year, and we'll actually end up with a later draft pick. I'd argue that I'd rather stay put, save the capital, not take on a big contract (after making such a concious effort to shed horrible contracts) while not getting rid of the picks we need to build the team going forward, and get a draft pick near the top. Sure, it'll make this season suck, but I think we all expected that. Trying to add personnel at this point is absolutely counter-productive to the long-term goals of the current FO.

Edited October 24, 2018 by CLTbills

[Dopey]

On 10/22/2018 at 2:28 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

I mean, when they make the sort of investment in QB that they did this year, and still think they don't care about offense, there just isn't much to be said.  I think its pretty obvious they care and they think that drafting the QB is the first step.  

Dion Dawkins and Zay Jones were drafted too. I'm giving them another year. Hopefully the offense takes a few steps foward next year. Coach did say during the off season there would probably be a drop off record wise. I don't have the link and I'm not looking for it.

21 hours ago, sven233 said:

 

Dawkins is a good player.  He isn't going to help score points, but a good player.  I will say this.  It may be hard to gauge just how good he is yet, though, because he is the best lineman on a team with below average lineman.  He is going to stand out.  Is he a top tackle in this league yet?  No.  But he is serviceable to this point and hopefully will keep getting better and I think is someone you can win with.  They need another tackle, 2 guards, and a center, though!!!  HA!

There's no arguing with you. Not cuz you're right, cuz you don't know how dumb you come off as. 

You did ask for 1(ONE) good offensive player, DIDN'T YOU!?!? You got your response and you come up with this regurgitation of the same crap.

 

Edited October 24, 2018 by Dopey

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, CLTbills said:

Absolutely. I'm on board with you here.  This season was supposed to suck. Seeing what they did last year with crap talent was certainly promising.

 

You do realize Doug Whaley was the GM, right? I'm getting awfully tired of having to point this out over. and over. and over.

This is stupid. What moves? Trade away draft picks to get a WR so we'll win 6 games instead of 4? What's the point of that? At that point we're still not going anywhere this year, and we'll actually end up with a later draft pick. I'd argue that I'd rather stay put, save the capital, not take on a big contract (after making such a concious effort to shed horrible contracts) while not getting rid of the picks we need to build the team going forward, and get a draft pick near the top. Sure, it'll make this season suck, but I think we all expected that. Trying to add personnel at this point is absolutely counter-productive to the long-term goals of the current FO.

 

There have been like 3 good receivers that the Bills could have brought in for peanuts during the season that other teams nabbed and the Bulls didn’t even try. 

 

Not for winning games. I couldn’t care less about winning games this season. Better players around Allen would help him develop better. The kid has no one he can count on. No one. No reputable OC. No reputable QB coach. Just a few weeks ago he may have gotten a smart QB on the roster he can get advice from. Said QB isn’t very good nor has he ever been but at least he is probably intelligent at the position. 

 

That is why my confidence is somewhat fallen. They didnt do a thing to help him outside of bringing in a vet QB very late.  My opinion isn’t stupid. You can leave that part out next time. 

Edited October 24, 2018 by Scott7975

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

There have been like 3 good receivers that the Bills could have brought in for peanuts during the season that other teams nabbed and the Bulls didn’t even try. 

 

Not for winning games. I couldn’t care less about winning games this season. Better players around Allen would help him develop better. The kid has no one he can count on. No one. No reputable OC. No reputable QB coach. Just a few weeks ago he may have gotten a smart QB on the roster he can get advice from. Said QB isn’t very good nor has he ever been but at least he is probably intelligent at the position. 

 

That is why my confidence is somewhat fallen. They didnt do a thing to help him outside of bringing in a vet QB very late.  My opinion isn’t stupid. You can leave that part out next time. 

Who?  And for peanuts?  How much?

[DuckyBoys]

I'm reserving judgement till after next years FA and draft  .  If they are doing a tear down I expect young players getting signed in FA  No more 30 something used to be's.  Also spend some draft capital and money on offense.  McDermott has all the tools minus a corner opposite White to field a top 10 defense.  He'll need to get some replacement parts for a few aging guys but the bulk of it is there.  Imagine how good his defense would be with a offense that actually scored points and put pressure on the other team to follow suit. Now watch them go out and draft mostly defense, lol

[Scott7975]

12 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Who?  And for peanuts?  How much?

 

Rishard Matthews and Josh Gordon for starters. Look it up

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

10 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Bull manure.  You need to stop making up stuff.  The Bills incurred $32 million in dead cap space by trading away Dareus, Glenn, Taylor, and Ragland.  All but Taylor are starting on teams a whole lot better than the Bills.   Sure the Bills don't have those players big contracts, but they also don't their talent either.   You can't build even a mediocre NFL team with bottom feeder and career backup talent.

 

The Bills also incurred another $7 million in dead cap space by cutting/trading Corey Coleman, AJ McCarron, Marshall Newhouse, and Jeremy Kerley -- all players brought in by the player personnel geniuses named McDermott and Beane and kept only a few months at best.  Coleman was with the Bills for about 10 days, and I think Newhouse was the only one who lasted into the regular season.  

 

Yeah, but that talent wasn't getting the Bills to the playoffs.  Dareus and Ragland have drifted into obscurity.  Dareus contributes, but he definitely isn't the engine of the Jags.  Glenn is ok.  Ragland is on a terrrrrible KC defense, and Taylor is on the bench. 

 

As far as the numbers, $7 million is a nothing burger.  And none of your analysis even touches on long term cap implications (you know, the actual point of creating cap space).  Sure, we are eating dead cap now, but we traded mediocre talent away for cap freedom moving forward.  

 

This is a mindbogglingly bad argument. 

[The_Dude]

2 hours ago, CLTbills said:

Absolutely. I'm on board with you here.  This season was supposed to suck. Seeing what they did last year with crap talent was certainly promising.

 

You do realize Doug Whaley was the GM, right? I'm getting awfully tired of having to point this out over. and over. and over.

This is stupid. What moves? Trade away draft picks to get a WR so we'll win 6 games instead of 4? What's the point of that? At that point we're still not going anywhere this year, and we'll actually end up with a later draft pick. I'd argue that I'd rather stay put, save the capital, not take on a big contract (after making such a concious effort to shed horrible contracts) while not getting rid of the picks we need to build the team going forward, and get a draft pick near the top. Sure, it'll make this season suck, but I think we all expected that. Trying to add personnel at this point is absolutely counter-productive to the long-term goals of the current FO.

 

If you’re getting tired or pointing out that Whaley was the GM when Buffalo passed on Mahomes then people are getting tired of you spouting idiotic nonsense. 

 

Yes, Whaley was still employed by the Bills during that draft. No, he was not running it or calling it. McDermott was in charge of that draft. 

 

Whaley was only there to ensure he kept his mouth shut for secrecy till after the draft. 

 

This is a well known fact. 

[Gigs]

On 10/22/2018 at 12:53 PM, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

It's quite clear that McBeane's plan is to build this team long term. Whether or not they're doing it correctly is obviously up for debate, but they're clearly focused on the long term. How much confidence do you have that they'll succeed within the next 2-3 years?

Never heard of a team suddenly becoming good when they purge talent following a playoff appearance. Never heard of a team winning anything when they hold the team identity over that of talent and winning games.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

3 hours ago, CLTbills said:

 

You do realize Doug Whaley was the GM, right? I'm getting awfully tired of having to point this out over. and over. and over.

 

Did you give Whaley credit for the trade down and White pick before Mahomes started breaking records? Or was that McDermott's genius defensive mind? Be honest 

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, The_Dude said:

 

If you’re getting tired or pointing out that Whaley was the GM when Buffalo passed on Mahomes then people are getting tired of you spouting idiotic nonsense. 

 

Yes, Whaley was still employed by the Bills during that draft. No, he was not running it or calling it. McDermott was in charge of that draft. 

 

Whaley was only there to ensure he kept his mouth shut for secrecy till after the draft. 

 

This is a well known fact. 

There is an article out there that states Pegula was high on Mahomes and Whaley was fired for trading out. A couple of them actually. So well known facts are not actually facts. It’s just people’s opinion that they want to believe and becomes gospel. Truth is that no one really knows much of any facts. 

[K-9]

Relieved to see that the tracks in both poll questions pretty much mirror each other.

[sven233]

3 hours ago, Dopey said:

Dion Dawkins and Zay Jones were drafted too. I'm giving them another year. Hopefully the offense takes a few steps foward next year. Coach did say during the off season there would probably be a drop off record wise. I don't have the link and I'm not looking for it.

There's no arguing with you. Not cuz you're right, cuz you don't know how dumb you come off as. 

You did ask for 1(ONE) good offensive player, DIDN'T YOU!?!? You got your response and you come up with this regurgitation of the same crap.

 

 

How many points has he scored?  I was talking about skilled players, moron.  And how good is he, really?  Just because he is the best lineman on a team that has terrible lineman doesn't make him great.  Look, if you an others want to blindly follow this coaching staff and front office, that's fine.  But I, along with many others, will wait for some type of evidence they know what they are doing.   You do realize that Rex Ryan and his clown show has a better record than McDermott through the same amount of games, right?

Edited October 24, 2018 by sven233

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

On 10/22/2018 at 2:18 PM, hondo in seattle said:

 

 

Does it make you feel big to make ad hominem attacks on others?

 

I get the people who are losing faith in McD.  He's been something like a .500 coach thus far.   He's made mistakes.

I don't get the mean-spiritedness and childishness.  Why do need to make up derogatory nicknames (McDumbass) and call people idiot?    Are we in middle school?  How does childish rudeness make the dialogue here better - more fun or insightful?

precisely