Southern Bills Fan Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 I believe that they have decided to follow the Astros model of rebuilding, which is a total tear down from top to bottom. They are getting the pieces in place while suffering big losses to build a consistent winner for the future. Consistently putting a band aid on the problems by handing out bad contracts to remain 8-8 or 7-9 isn’t going to build a winner. Building through the draft and when you’re ready to win, adding the needed veterans is the proper way to rebuild. The Astros had Altuve, Springer and drafted Correa and Bregman. When they were ready, they got Verlander. They lost over 100 games for several years in a row but set themselves up for long term success. I believe that’s the model they are following. We have excellent pieces on defense and hopefully our QB. 1 2
BillsFan130 Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 What young good Bills players/prospects do the Bills have? With the exception of White and maybe Edmunds. I like Allen and I HOPE he will be great one day, but I remain skeptical. 1
TheElectricCompany Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 A successful rebuild would require several top tier players who aren't even on the team. Think about that. 3 1
nucci Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 You can't compare this to baseball. Baseball teams have minor league teams all over the country developing players and getting them ready for the majors. Some players are in the minors 3-5 years before playing in the big leagues. Football players have to be ready to play in first 1-2 years.... 1
May Day 10 Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Im not sure if they were supposed to be this awful. They also do things like keep old guys and refuse to trade them. A true tear down team would have gotten what they can for mccoy.
Dr. Who Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Just now, nucci said: You can't compare this to baseball. Baseball teams have minor league teams all over the country developing players and getting them ready for the majors. Some players are in the minors 3-5 years before playing in the big leagues. Football players have to be ready to play in first 1-2 years.... The only way the analogy works at all is if you include NCAA players that haven't been drafted yet. Who knows who they are at this point? I rather doubt we will find enough help through free agency to effectively improve the dreadful offense. 1
skibum Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 There are very few pieces in place to build on, and if the plan is to add to the talent pool through free agency, they are in big trouble. Why would any talented free agent want to come into this situation?
Mark Vader Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 So does that mean that we are no longer the Pittsburgh Pirates?
Jauronimo Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Why is everyone so sure that current ineptitude is an indicator of future Championships? Were that the case, over the last 20 years we probably would have hung more Championship banners from the rafters than the Colts hung "AFC South Participation Banner 201[X]" banners. 4 3 1
Southern Bills Fan Posted October 22, 2018 Author Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Jauronimo said: Why is everyone so sure that current ineptitude is an indicator of future Championships? Were that the case, over the last 20 years we probably would have hung more Championship banners from the rafters than the Colts hung "AFC South Participation Banner 201[X]" banners. I believe it’s because we always tried the band aid fix of signing a few overpriced veterans to try and remain 8-8.
LittleSammy Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 The big assumption in this approach would be the current leadership is capable of assessing/stocking the team with quality talent and managing the rebuild properly. Based on their track record to date, I am not so sure that is the case. The jury is still out. 1
Boatdrinks Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Bad contracts to remain mediocre ? Good players get paid, so you keep the most important ones ( cannot keep them all) and replace others via draft and FA. The Bills problem wasn’t bad contracts, but a lack of a star QB and few good young players on cheap deals. Their structure was perhaps a bit different because they didn’t have a top QB eating up a certain percentage of cap $$, but this notion that contracts were the problem with the Bills is overblown. They are now completely bereft of talent on one side of the ball, and the D may be a tad overrated as well. The Beane / McD plan is practically doomed to fail because they’ve set themselves up to need a few spectacular drafts and a great FA haul to be competitive. They’ll be fired before they can see it through. 2 1
OrtonHearsaWho Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 44 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said: I believe that they have decided to follow the Astros model of rebuilding, which is a total tear down from top to bottom. They are getting the pieces in place while suffering big losses to build a consistent winner for the future. Consistently putting a band aid on the problems by handing out bad contracts to remain 8-8 or 7-9 isn’t going to build a winner. Building through the draft and when you’re ready to win, adding the needed veterans is the proper way to rebuild. The Astros had Altuve, Springer and drafted Correa and Bregman. When they were ready, they got Verlander. They lost over 100 games for several years in a row but set themselves up for long term success. I believe that’s the model they are following. We have excellent pieces on defense and hopefully our QB. I admire your optimism man, I really do. I talked myself into it for a lot of the season but I honestly can't right now. Granted I have only been a Bills fan for about 20 years (awesome timing huh!), but I think this is about the worst I have felt about this team.
Boatdrinks Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said: I believe it’s because we always tried the band aid fix of signing a few overpriced veterans to try and remain 8-8. They were 8-8 mostly due to the lack of a top QB. They were average to above in most other areas. They are now well below average on offense; the most important side of the ball in the current NFL. 1
OrtonHearsaWho Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, LittleSammy said: The big assumption in this approach would be the current leadership is capable of assessing/stocking the team with quality talent and managing the rebuild properly. Based on their track record to date, I am not so sure that is the case. The jury is still out. I swear if we bring in one more player from Carolina, I'm going to just go ahead and root for Carolina. 1
Southern Bills Fan Posted October 22, 2018 Author Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: They were 8-8 mostly due to the lack of a top QB. They were average to above in most other areas. They are now well below average on offense; the most important side of the ball in the current NFL. I agree with you that they are on offense. We have 10 draft picks and a ton of cap money next year. You can’t tell me that 2-3 solid O lineman and 2 playmakers at WR would make us a good offense. Zay can be a solid possession receiver with outside threats. That’s only adding 4-5 players. Edited October 22, 2018 by Southern Bills Fan
SCBills Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 No team has a ton of just young stud players. When I look at this team, I'm looking at players we can build on for the next 3-5 years. Allen Dawkins Zay Star Hughes Harry Shaq Edmunds Milano White Johnson Hyde Poyer That's not a bad group to build on when you have 10 draft picks, which will include a high pick, and a ton of cap space. Clearly our Offense will look entirely different next year and the Defense is pretty well stocked with young/prime talent. 2 1
Jauronimo Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Southern Bills Fan said: I agree with you that they are on offense. We have 10 draft picks and a ton of cap money next year. You can’t tell me that 2-3 solid O lineman and 2 playmakers at WR would make us a good offense. Zay can be a solid possession receiver with outside threats. That’s only adding 4-5 players. This all assumes Allen pans out which is a big ???. 1
klos63 Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: No team has a ton of just young stud players. When I look at this team, I'm looking at players we can build on for the next 3-5 years. Allen Dawkins Zay Star Hughes Harry Shaq Edmunds Milano White Johnson Hyde Poyer That's not a bad group to build on when you have 10 draft picks, which will include a high pick, and a ton of cap space. Clearly our Offense will look entirely different next year and the Defense is pretty well stocked with young/prime talent. They're going to have to hit on many of those 10 picks, half of which are later round picks. As far as free agency, there needs to be players that we want and then they will want to play here. It's not going to be easy. 1
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 Whatever. We've heard this a million times. Just you wait, in 3-years this team will be invincible. The Centerpiece is Josh Allen. An inaccurate, marginal performer out of the Mountain West. And he wasn't looking too good before getting hurt. This team has one young player that is reliably good - Trey White. The defense has some nice veterans. The rest of the team is bottom of the barrel scrapings. 2 1
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