I was very wrong about Tyrod & have to own it.

[TigerJ]

7 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Honestly- what is there to blow up? It’s rubble already.  You can’t blow up Rubble. The thing is freshly blown up!

 

 

I stand by what I said.  Prior to the Indy game, Buffalo's defense was looking like it was near elite.  In the words of Fred Jackson, it looked like Indy's offensive coordinator was able to take advantage of the youth of the linebackers; Edmunds and Milano.  By all accounts they are promising young linebackers, who just need to gain more experience.  On offense, there is more work to be done, admittedly.  The Bills need to upgrade their starters on the offensive line and at wide receiver.  I'm not against drafting another QB next spring, but I don't want to trade picks to move higher to do it, and I don't think the Bills should even go after one in the first round.  I also think the Bills should try and get younger at running back.  I don't think any of that constitutes a full rebuild.  I also don't think Buffalo should make wholesale changes in their coaching staff.  If McDermott decides to tweak his coaching staff, that's one thing, but I continue to believe the most important thing for the Bills to strive for is continuity.   You are welcome to disagree.  

[TigerJ]

20 hours ago, Chemical said:

They get blown out far too often. And now another one against a bad team. NYJ being the other.

Game results are rarely as bad or as good as they might appear.  I think that is true this season, and in the Indianapolis game in particular.  I think the young players on the Bills are somewhat fragile in terms of their psyche, and when things go bad, they can start go goo bad in a hurry, but I think experience will fix a lot ofo that.  As far as Derek Anderson's performance is concerned, I said before the game, I was concerned about how things would turn out.  It's not that he can't turn in a competent performance.  I was just concerned that it would be hard to do so on ten days practice.  While he and Brian Daboll are familiar with each other, there have been a lot of years that have passed, and Daboll's offense has changed significantly.  As the game went on, and the Bills were forced to pass more to try and catch up, the limited number of plays Anderson could run made it easier for Indianapolis to anticipate what the Bills were going to do.

 

I think the game next week is going to be similarly ugly, not because Anderson wont make strides.  I think he will;.  He's not going to get comfortable enough and have a strong enough command of the playbook to look good versus the New England Patriots, however.  Also, right now, the youth of the Bills defense makes them particularly vulnerable to crafty high end veteran QBs like Luck, Rodgers, and Brady.  So, I expect another round of fingerpointing and scapegoating after next Monday's game, and it will be wrong and misdirected.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

I stand by what I said.  Prior to the Indy game, Buffalo's defense was looking like it was near elite.  In the words of Fred Jackson, it looked like Indy's offensive coordinator was able to take advantage of the youth of the linebackers; Edmunds and Milano.  By all accounts they are promising young linebackers, who just need to gain more experience.  On offense, there is more work to be done, admittedly.  The Bills need to upgrade their starters on the offensive line and at wide receiver.  I'm not against drafting another QB next spring, but I don't want to trade picks to move higher to do it, and I don't think the Bills should even go after one in the first round.  I also think the Bills should try and get younger at running back.  I don't think any of that constitutes a full rebuild.  I also don't think Buffalo should make wholesale changes in their coaching staff.  If McDermott decides to tweak his coaching staff, that's one thing, but I continue to believe the most important thing for the Bills to strive for is continuity.   You are welcome to disagree.  

 

Not disagreeing.  The is literally nothing to blow up. 

 

Its like finding a piece of the Hindenburg and wabring to blow it up. 

 

Beane has barely been there a year, McDermott not much longer. 

 

Resume right now is taking a proejected 5-6 win team to the playoffs in the first year. 

 

Rookies lead both O and D. 

 

They have barely started to build anything blowup-able 

[mjd1001]

20 hours ago, apuszczalowski said:

And those are all their choices that they need to be held accountable for. They decided to cut or trade the talented players currently on the roster. They decided they valued picks and take on dead cap more then the current talent

 

They decided they wanted to draft the QB that would take the longest to be ready to play, if he ever reached the ceiling some felt he may have the potential to reach. To help this QB succeed they hired a WR as a QB coach, and bring in a OC who hasnt had any real success at the NFL level. They also decided that it was better to have the other QB choices to have a total of 1/2 a seasons worth of career starts between them. Then after trading away the one guy who did crap the bed in his previous start and break a record for one of the worst starts in league history, they waited til week 6 to bring in a veteran to mentor the rookie. They brought in no upgrades at WR to add to one of the leagues worst groups to help the QB, and after losing more then half their line from last year, they didnt attempt to upgrade or replace the guys lost.

 

They have shown no significant improvements in any positions this year and it doesnt matter how.much cap space they have available if no one worth spending money on wants to sign here, and why would they accept for a paycheck? They also haven't shown much ability to be able to judge talent, specifically on the offensive side.

 

It wont matter if they keep these guys for another year or 2 or fire them now of they arent the right guys. These guys haven't proven anything that they are capable of building a winner, all they have shown is that they know how to take a team backwards.

 

It wont matter if they fire them and blow things up cause theres nothing left to blow up. The team is a pile of rubble

They should be held accountable by the owner, but not this year.  I'm sure those choices were run by the ownership, and they may have even been an option presented to ownership BEFORE they were hired and that is why they were hired.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

On 10/22/2018 at 10:15 AM, Mrbojanglezs said:

noone was wrong about Tyrod except the national media... we all knew what we had in him. He was  good enough to get you to 8-9 wins and maybe the playoffs with good defense. He was careful with the ball, made plays with his legs, but wasn't a good or consistent passer.

 

Bills could have kept him around for this year but eventually we would have moved on. He was never going to light the world on fire passing and he wouldn't have won us a super bowl.

 

Are we worse now? Yes, but that doesn't change the facts about Tyrod. He lasted how many weeks in Cleveland?

It's too difficult to say how TT would have done had he stayed.

My guess is we'd still have seen 0-2 and seen a switch soon after. 

 

BTW ...... 

Didn't people say CLE had better talent than BUF?  

[reddogblitz]

On 10/22/2018 at 7:10 AM, pop gun said:

To think Tyrod would be the remedy for the current Bills ails is comical. 

 

Would Tyrod be better than Allen has been, sure probably but it's no guarantee, 19 pass yards in a half and being benched for a rookie suggests that. Oh and Cleveland has way way way better offensive weapons than what is here in Buffalo. Heck I don't even know if McDermott is better than Hue Jackson anymore.

 

82 yards > 59 yards

 

But really, is anyone saying "Tyrod would be the remedy for the current Bills ails"?  I think we would be better on offense which would take pressure off our defense.  Would give us a better chance to win (which is the point) IMHO.

[kota]

Not sad he is gone.  If we hadn't traded AJ we would be fine.

[Foreigner]

The only reason this offense is not 33rd is because there are only 32 teams in the league. Welcome to Monday night. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

53 minutes ago, Foreigner said:

The only reason this offense is not 33rd is because there are only 32 teams in the league. Welcome to Monday night. 

Look at the ESPN power rankings 

 

i thoigh they said 2 maybe 3 teams had a worse O than the Bills in certain stats 

 

[Patrick Duffy]

5 hours ago, kota said:

Not sad he is gone.  If we hadn't traded AJ we would be fine.

Lol, I really don't think we would.

[Norcalbillsfan]

On 10/21/2018 at 11:41 PM, transplantbillsfan said:

Look, I'm not going to rub this in for one simple reason I'm finally and truly accepting... despite my belief before this season we could make another playoff run:

 

It's not about this season.

 

Yes, Tyrod Taylor was very underrated by a lot of hyperbolic Bills fans like yourself.

 

Yes, Tyrod Taylor would have been massively better to have on our roster than AJ McCarron during the Summer if we're talking about 2018.

 

Yes, he was still under contract, anyway, so keeping him much to the chagrin of fans like yourself was absolutely an option.

 

But honestly, it's not about this season.

 

I don't remember where I saw it, but I think we have the most 1st or 2nd year players starting or seeing significant time on the field in the NFL. And guys like Edmunds, Phillips, Taron Johnson, Dawkins, Milano, Zay (lately) and White all look good to spectacular.

 

Allen is obviously still a question mark.

 

The biggest and most important one.

 

But if Allen improves and becomes a Franchise QB, our future looks incredibly bright... maybe as soon as next year.

 

If he doesn't, well that sucks, because it all hinges on him.

 

But keeping Taylor might have helped us this year, but I actually personally think Allen--when healthy--just needs to be on the field playing. Trial by fire. Let him learn on the field. Keeping Taylor would have hindered that.

Agree with almost everything. I totally agree with trial by fire, but so far it's been an inferno for Allen. Put a rookie behind one of the worst Olines in football, with hands down the worst reciever core in football. Hes already almost had a season ending injury and the toll on his confidence can be doing more harm than good. 

[Cusefan66214]

Ummm I’m pretty sure Tyrod would get massacred behind this oline 

[billsfan89]

I honestly would like to see Tyrod get traded to Jacksonville. Bortles stinks and he is holding the team back with his turnovers and general bad play. Tyrod would protect the ball and make just enough plays with his legs to buy the offense some first downs. Basically Tyrod would be a cheap way to improve their QB play. Right now Bortles doesn't allow that team to play the football that makes them successful. Granted their defense hasn't been crushing it either but at least a risk averse QB with the ability to move the chains with his legs might just be "good enough" for the Jags to make a run at the playoffs if their defense can get on track. 

[Big Gun]

1 hour ago, billsfan89 said:

I honestly would like to see Tyrod get traded to Jacksonville. Bortles stinks and he is holding the team back with his turnovers and general bad play. Tyrod would protect the ball and make just enough plays with his legs to buy the offense some first downs. Basically Tyrod would be a cheap way to improve their QB play. Right now Bortles doesn't allow that team to play the football that makes them successful. Granted their defense hasn't been crushing it either but at least a risk averse QB with the ability to move the chains with his legs might just be "good enough" for the Jags to make a run at the playoffs if their defense can get on track. 

No, Tyrod is nowhere as good as Bortles and Bortles stinks.

[Bing Bong]

Duh?! QB play can get a lot worse than Tyrod. Top 64 QB by the worst definition we have #s 80, 100, and some dude that's like the 1000th best QB in the world. I found that argument ludicrous. "BUT THE SAINTS GAME".. At least he can do the Dolphins game and pull a few more out of his ***, huh, maybe he can win a few games. As he did!

 

Of course you can be worse than a career .500 QB. Especially an athletic one that hides your offensive defencenies

On 10/22/2018 at 5:18 AM, twoandfourteen said:

They were right to see what they had in NP last year. Taylor was a mess and something had to be done. I don't blame them for starting NP last year. 

Eh they were dead wrong. While in the playoff hunt the Bills NP decision was nationally a surprise (in a bad way) before and certainly after the game. And these guys hardly follow the Bills they just knew Tyrod had a few bad games on a horrible offense and knew NP wasn't going to do better on that same offense.

[John from Riverside]

5 hours ago, Cusefan66214 said:

Ummm I’m pretty sure Tyrod would get massacred behind this oline 

Tyrod would make this OL look better then it is....but ultimately defenses would figure out how to play him and continue to stifle the offense and frustrate fans......

 

It was always gonna get worse before it got better and most knew that......

[twoandfourteen]

3 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Duh?! QB play can get a lot worse than Tyrod. Top 64 QB by the worst definition we have #s 80, 100, and some dude that's like the 1000th best QB in the world. I found that argument ludicrous. "BUT THE SAINTS GAME".. At least he can do the Dolphins game and pull a few more out of his ***, huh, maybe he can win a few games. As he did!

 

Of course you can be worse than a career .500 QB. Especially an athletic one that hides your offensive defencenies

Eh they were dead wrong. While in the playoff hunt the Bills NP decision was nationally a surprise (in a bad way) before and certainly after the game. And these guys hardly follow the Bills they just knew Tyrod had a few bad games on a horrible offense and knew NP wasn't going to do better on that same offense.

 

The bar was 56 yards passing for an entire game. Not to mention all of the other missed opportunities he left on the field during the season. Carolina, Cincinnati, and the New England games also come to mind. TT was able to pull it together twice against the Dolphins, I suppose.

 

Here's a fun game -- name Tyrod's "signature" throw from last year. There isn't one. 

 

When the decision was made, it was unlikely that NP was going to be worse than that. Now, we all know that he managed to beat the odds and found a way to pull it off. 

 

Also, how would people who "hardly follow" the Bills "just know" anything at all about their back-up QB? 

 

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

Tyrod would make this OL look better then it is....but ultimately defenses would figure out how to play him and continue to stifle the offense and frustrate fans......

 

It was always gonna get worse before it got better and most knew that......

 

This is false, false, false. Mobile QBs who take forever to read the defense and throw the football almost always make O-lines look far worse than they really are. This isn't my opinion, it's a fact. 

 

1. Holding on to the ball too long gives extra time to the pass rush. The problem there should be self-explanatory. 

 

2. Their inclination to move around and scramble means that lineman have no idea where the QB is going to be or go on any given play. This causes issues because the oncoming pass rush CAN see the QB and can react accordingly, meaning they have an advantage over the O-line. This results in lots of sacks and holding penalties. 

 

So, this idea that TT would somehow improve the pass protection is not even close to reality. Also, Josh Allen has more than proven to be every bit the "running threat" that Tyrod was. 

[Thurman#1]

On ‎10‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 4:56 AM, twoandfourteen said:

Last year, I said that the passing offense couldn't get worse than it was under Tyrod. 

 

Boy was I wrong.

 

I honestly didn't think it was really possible for a collection of professional coaches & players to perform as poorly on offense as they have this season. 

 

Beane & McDermott deserve to be fired at the end of this season. 

 

 

You sure were wrong.

 

Why would you think things couldn't get worse at QB than having a QB who was around the 20th to 22nd best in the league. There are 10 - 12 QBs worse than that every year, and those usually include the rookies who end up starting and plenty of other very young guys.

 

Of course it was capable of being much much worse, and it was always likely to get worse for a year or two. That was the likelihood. We had a chance if McCarron had been good, but with their Whaley-inherited salary cap woes, they weren't going to get a more expensive vet, and the flier on McCarron didn't work out. That was too bad, but bad QB play this year .... the second year of a rebuild and the year we drafted a rookie well-known to need a ton of development ... was always likely to be worse.

 

So, no, Beane and McDermott work for an owner who understands rebuilds. In the third and fourth years,  their seats will indeed become hot if things don't look up. Not this year. The Pegulas get it.

[Teddy KGB]

8 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

I honestly would like to see Tyrod get traded to Jacksonville. Bortles stinks and he is holding the team back with his turnovers and general bad play. Tyrod would protect the ball and make just enough plays with his legs to buy the offense some first downs. Basically Tyrod would be a cheap way to improve their QB play. Right now Bortles doesn't allow that team to play the football that makes them successful. Granted their defense hasn't been crushing it either but at least a risk averse QB with the ability to move the chains with his legs might just be "good enough" for the Jags to make a run at the playoffs if their defense can get on track. 

 

Forgot about the playoff game already?   

 

Forgot about the benching after 3 games already ?   

 

Tyrod is done, he ain’t helping any NFL team 

[mannc]

On 10/21/2018 at 1:24 PM, Bfanlc said:

Keep the coaches, bring in talent, and rebuild. Firing anyone will only compound the mistakes made.

Who do you want to “bring in the talent” (as if you can just go down to the corner store and pick up a bag of “talent”), the guys who have methodically stripped the franchise of it?