MAJBobby Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 Just now, 1st&ten said: HA----Even Gruden & the Raiders aren't that stupid !!! Really? I wouldnt count on it. They did trade Macl for peanuts
TheBeaneBandit Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Really? I wouldnt count on it. They did trade Macl for peanuts 2 1sts is peanuts??? 1
1st&ten Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Really? I wouldnt count on it. They did trade Macl for peanuts That's because they knew they couldn't afford him----Mark Davis is the poorest owner in the NFL---he isn't a multi Millionaire like most of the other owners. part of the move to Los Vegas is a money grab.
Kirby Jackson Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 Hard pass!! He’s the most overrated QB of the last decade. There is no way that I’d pay that for below mediocre play. 1 2
frostbitmic Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: The Bills would be crazy not to try for Carr. Give them a first. Somebody will give them a first I think .... It won't be McBeane though. Giants, Phish or Jags are my guess. 1
IDBillzFan Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Idandria said: And if he plays well, expect to see a full TBD board IMPLOSION! He doesn't need to play well to see this board implode. He just needs to complete a pass. 2
ThurmasThoman Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 There were a lot of rumors last year that the Raiders line was letting defenders get clean shots on Carr because the QB was outspoken in the locker room in both his support of Trump, and opposition to the kneeling. It would make sense if his team mates no longer want to play with him--the situation may be beyond salvageable. If that's the case, it would make sense to trade him, even if he is a "great" quarterback. It may be easier to fix that position, than 10-20 other positions on the team that don't want to play with the guy anymore. The question would be if Carr is able to win the respect of new teammates. If the answer is yes, you have your solution at QB for the foreseeable future.
Mark Vader Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, NewDayBills said: My opinion: Jon Gruden will not make it in Oakland. No, but he can in Las Vegas.
LSHMEAB Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 3 pages in and there hasn't been a "this isn't Madden bro" yet. Impressive.
BillsFan4 Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 WTF was the point in trading Khalil Mack if they aren’t going to keep Derek Carr? I thought the Raiders felt that they could pay both Carr + Mack and still build a solid team. This is not very good asset management by Gruden if they really do trade Carr...
GunnerBill Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 I'd pay a 1st for him. Carr has not been the problem with the Raiders.
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: No, but he can in Las Vegas. ?If he can make it there, he'll make it anywhere!?. And if he can't, they'll just slay him in one of those medieval pageants at a Las Vegas Knights game.
BillsFan4 Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/derek-carr-14445/ His cap hit is only around $21-$22M in 2019 and beyond. I believe it would be even less to the team acquiring him because of the money the raiders already paid (like Dareus in Jacksonville). Plua, the dead cap hit isn’t bad at all if you do eventually move on from him ($7.5M in 2019, $5M in 2020, $2.5M in 2021). If I were running the Bills, I’d be all over this. And I would keep Josh Allen, too. #1) it gives Allen the time he needs to develop. He was always more of a long term project anyway, IMO. #2) it creates competition at the most important position in football. McDermott is all about competition for spots. If Allen ever does legitimately earn the spot,you can trade Carr and his cap hit will be even more appealing at that time. Or if Carr shows he is the legit franchise QB we’ve been searching for since Kelly, then you can trade Allen. Fitting his cap cap hit in this season would be a problem, but I’m sure they can find a way to make it work. I sont see see this happening, but I wish it would... 1
YoloinOhio Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: I would send a 2nd over to Oakland in a heartbeat for Carr. His contract has a Annual Cap hit of under 20M once traded. This should be a no brainer for a team that doesnt have a QB Elway is on line 1
BobbyC81 Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Hard pass!! He’s the most overrated QB of the last decade. There is no way that I’d pay that for below mediocre play. Obviously many people associated with the NFL, ( i.e. Players, coaches, etc.) don't agree with you as Carr has played in the last 3 Pro Bowls. Here are his NFL Stats thru last season. How are these overrated? NFL STATS Year Team Games Passing Rushing G GS Comp Att Pct Yards Avg TD Int Rate Att Yds Avg TD 2014 OAK 16 16 348 599 58.1 3,270 5.5 21 12 76.6 29 92 3.2 0 2015 OAK 16 16 350 573 61.1 3,987 7.0 32 13 91.1 33 138 4.2 0 2016 OAK 15 15 357 560 63.8 3,937 7.0 28 6 96.7 39 70 1.8 0 2017 OAK 15 15 323 515 62.7 3,496 6.8 22 13 86.4 23 66 2.9 0 Career 62 62 1,378 2,247 61.3 14,690 Edited October 19, 2018 by LittleJoeCartwright
Kirby Jackson Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 Just now, LittleJoeCartwright said: Obviously many people associated with the NFL, ( i.e. Players, coaches, etc.) don't agree with you as Carr has played in the last 3 Pro Bowls. Here are his NFL Stats thru last season: NFL STATS Year Team Games Passing Rushing G GS Comp Att Pct Yards Avg TD Int Rate Att Yds Avg TD 2014 OAK 16 16 348 599 58.1 3,270 5.5 21 12 76.6 29 92 3.2 0 2015 OAK 16 16 350 573 61.1 3,987 7.0 32 13 91.1 33 138 4.2 0 2016 OAK 15 15 357 560 63.8 3,937 7.0 28 6 96.7 39 70 1.8 0 2017 OAK 15 15 323 515 62.7 3,496 6.8 22 13 86.4 23 66 2.9 0 Career 62 62 1,378 2,247 61.3 14,690 I don’t care if they agree with me. I have zero interest in Derek Carr. He is the most overrated QB of the last decade. I guess that I need to add IMO. 1
YoloinOhio Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 The issue is that he wears eyeliner. He is Goth QB. I’ll trade them the 4th we got for Ragland. 1 1
H2o Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 51 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: What? That's all done. They have all their picks next year and then some. They currently have the #3 defense. This is a match made in heaven. So easy, it's hard. I'm talking about what they feel they have invested to get Allen. Do you honestly think they give up picks this year for another QB with a hefty contract? Only if they feel Carr makes us a SB contender. I don't know if he does, but in the short term it would surely make us better. Would I do it? Yes because I'm not sure what Allen will end up being.
Virgil Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 If this is real, then I'll make this simple. You give them whatever the ***** they want! You don't hesitate. I don't know how you work it in capwise, but you make it happen. Carr was on the verge of being a top 5 QB IMO before be BROKE HIS BACK. He was rushed back and now plays for a team that is completely checked out. Oh, as for Allen, big deal. If he pans out, trade the worst of the two in a few years. You can solve your QB, maybe even your WR problem immediately. You do this and we are 3-3, and can make the playoffs this year. Do it. Just now, H2o said: I'm talking about what they feel they have invested to get Allen. Do you honestly think they give up picks this year for another QB with a hefty contract? Only if they feel Carr makes us a SB contender. I don't know if he does, but in the short term it would surely make us better. Would I do it? Yes because I'm not sure what Allen will end up being. Allen doesn't make a dime and if he pans out, you are in a Brees situation with San Diego. You can't have enough starting quality QB's on your roster, especially when you are the Bills 1
Wilton Bills Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 Not coming here. Giants would be his stop. We're all in on Allen
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