oldmanfan Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 22 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Why do people have faith in a career backup? It is a simple theoretical. Nothing more.
Bobby Hooks Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said: Amazing, isn’t it? Is it “faith” or just the smartest, most logical thing to do in a bad situation?
dpberr Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 All good. Enjoy it. It's happened before in Buffalo. (October 11, 1998 against the same Colts.)
Wayne Arnold Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Bobby Hooks said: Is it “faith” or just the smartest, most logical thing to do in a bad situation? Theres nothing logical about expecting Derek Anderson to lead this team to wins.
Watkins90 Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 You play the hot hand. If Anderson somehow magically goes 3-1 over the next four games, he gets to keep the starting role. He goes 1-3, you put Allen back in as soon as possible.
NewEra Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 27 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Why do people have faith in a career backup? I don’t think it has to do with having faith in a career backup. We’ve seen josh Allen play qb so far, and he’s been a complete failure. Not to say he will always be a failure, but he currently is a fail. His blitz recognition and inability to make the correct pass has been our offenses downfall. His best chance on 3rd down seems to be scrambling. If Anderson’s can correctly diagnose the defense and get the ball to the open guy, we’ll be better. 1
Rebel101 Posted October 19, 2018 Author Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Why do people have faith in a career backup? I don’t have faith in him. I’m not saying he is the future. But I think anybody is better then what we’ve put out there this year. I believe we would have won more games because of our defense if we had an offense that could at least move the ball slightly. Anderson doesn’t have to be lights out for us to be competitive. I don’t understand how people here think he isn’t an upgrade. Josh Allen(I understand he needs to develop) has led us to an historically bad offense. He’s not ready yet I don’t think he should have played this year at all but ***** happens. I’m just saying anyone behind QB gives us a better chance then the 2 we have. Edited October 19, 2018 by Rebel101 1
CuddyDark Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, NewEra said: I don’t think it has to do with having faith in a career backup. We’ve seen josh Allen play qb so far, and he’s been a complete failure. Not to say he will always be a failure, but he currently is a fail. His blitz recognition and inability to make the correct pass has been our offenses downfall. His best chance on 3rd down seems to be scrambling. If Anderson’s can correctly diagnose the defense and get the ball to the open guy, we’ll be better. Sounds like if we get ride of Tyrod we'll be better. I root for whoever they play. I just don't have much faith in a career backup. I want him to do well but I'd be shocked if he does any better than Allen. He's still half Allen, half Peterman after all these years. 2 minutes ago, Rebel101 said: I don’t have faith in him. I’m not saying he is the future. But I think anybody is better then what we’ve put out there this year. I believe we would have won more games because of our defense if we had an offense that could at least move the ball slightly Based on? Hope? This is yet to be seen. Edited October 19, 2018 by CuddyDark
colin Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 if we get to 500 over the next 4 games, and JA is not healthy to go in (conservatively, which you know will be the mantra) it will be pretty hard to put JA back in while the playoffs are still possible. if we are over 500 after 4 or 5, then its' a super hard decision. any other result and the just jam JA back in because playoffs don't look possible. all of that said, if allen is healthy and looks better and is learning well in practice, and if DA is not great but we are still winning (i really don't think he's gonna be as good as say, Orton was for us, so it's not like he's gonna put up crazy numbers) it's an easy thing to justify in the locker room, and given that corch benched tyrod for peterman, i think he'd err on the side of rolling with the rookie. its' also likely that if the O does better, someone else (shady, benji, whoever) is gonna step up large and will be seen as the reason for our winning, so we aren't in much danger of sitting our ticket to the playoffs in DA alone, so i don't see how JA doesn't get back in, and likely sooner. Personally i'd ride the hot hand cuz JA is so young and confident, but Mccorch has shown he likes to act rather then let it play out
NewEra Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: Sounds like if we get ride of Tyrod we'll be better. I route for whoever they play. I just don't have much faith in a career backup. I want him to do well but I'd be shocked if he does any better than Allen. He's still half Allen, half Peterman after all these years. Based on? Hope? This is yet to be seen. I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t do better than Allen. Jmo
Rebel101 Posted October 19, 2018 Author Posted October 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, NewEra said: I don’t think it has to do with having faith in a career backup. We’ve seen josh Allen play qb so far, and he’s been a complete failure. Not to say he will always be a failure, but he currently is a fail. His blitz recognition and inability to make the correct pass has been our offenses downfall. His best chance on 3rd down seems to be scrambling. If Anderson’s can correctly diagnose the defense and get the ball to the open guy, we’ll be better. Exactly. Well put
Wayne Arnold Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, NewEra said: I don’t think it has to do with having faith in a career backup. We’ve seen josh Allen play qb so far, and he’s been a complete failure. Not to say he will always be a failure, but he currently is a fail. His blitz recognition and inability to make the correct pass has been our offenses downfall. His best chance on 3rd down seems to be scrambling. If Anderson’s can correctly diagnose the defense and get the ball to the open guy, we’ll be better. This is horse crap.
Rebel101 Posted October 19, 2018 Author Posted October 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Sounds like if we get ride of Tyrod we'll be better. I root for whoever they play. I just don't have much faith in a career backup. I want him to do well but I'd be shocked if he does any better than Allen. He's still half Allen, half Peterman after all these years. Based on? Hope? This is yet to be seen. His knowledge makes him better then Allen immediately. Allen can’t read a field. He doesn’t know coverages. He doesn’t know how to beat a blitz. He is learning and will get better but he is terrible.
2003Contenders Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 I still believe that even the most pro-Allen coaches understood that there would be a learning period for him and that he would be best-served sitting and watching for a season. That said there were some serious flaws in their planning: -- They had more faith in McCarron than they should have. Beane more or less acknowledged this. That is why they jumped at the trade offer from the Raiders. Still, they should have had the sense to bring in a viable veteran to replace him. -- They honestly believed that Nate Peterman would be serviceable while Allen sat. Anderson ostensibly puts them back in the position that the were originally in with McCarron -- and they probably should have reached out to him back when the McCarron trade occurred. I would suspect that as long as Anderson wins (or at least looks competent in losing), he will remain the starter -- even after Allen gets the clean bill of health. If/when Anderson starts stinking things up -- or we get late into the season and the Bills have been officially eliminated from playoff contention -- Allen gets back on the field.
Jerry Jabber Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 If Anderson throws on average for 200+ yards, 2 TD's and 1 INT per game, I'd say leave him in there for the rest of the year and let Allen learn. Allen is not ready and should have been given at least a year to sit and learn. In the offseason, give him all the starting reps in camp and preseason and get him ready for 2019.
davefan66 Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 If Anderson averages 60% and 275 yards a game, gotta go with the hot hand. Especially if he kills it against the patsies. Somehow, I feel Sunday night there is going to be many threads to start Peterman and sign Kaepernick. Oh, and fire the coaching staff of course.....
CuddyDark Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t do better than Allen. Jmo It's a low bar. Doing better and actually being a QB are two different things. People believe he'll "Win games" and "Light it up" I don't believe he'll do either of those things. Colts do suck on defense so maybe they win this week but to expect him to be any better in the long run is hope, nothing more.
Rebel101 Posted October 19, 2018 Author Posted October 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said: This is horse crap. Lol so you think a raw quarterback who can’t read a defense pre or post snap. Doesn’t know which route is best against what coverage. Has accuracy issues and can’t beat a blitz is better then a QB who can do all those things in his sleep
CuddyDark Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rebel101 said: His knowledge makes him better then Allen immediately. Allen can’t read a field. He doesn’t know coverages. He doesn’t know how to beat a blitz. He is learning and will get better but he is terrible. He's a career backup. He doesn't know what teams will plan for him as the starter.
Rebel101 Posted October 19, 2018 Author Posted October 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said: I still believe that even the most pro-Allen coaches understood that there would be a learning period for him and that he would be best-served sitting and watching for a season. That said there were some serious flaws in their planning: -- They had more faith in McCarron than they should have. Beane more or less acknowledged this. That is why they jumped at the trade offer from the Raiders. Still, they should have had the sense to bring in a viable veteran to replace him. -- They honestly believed that Nate Peterman would be serviceable while Allen sat. Anderson ostensibly puts them back in the position that the were originally in with McCarron -- and they probably should have reached out to him back when the McCarron trade occurred. I would suspect that as long as Anderson wins (or at least looks competent in losing), he will remain the starter -- even after Allen gets the clean bill of health. If/when Anderson starts stinking things up -- or we get late into the season and the Bills have been officially eliminated from playoff contention -- Allen gets back on the field. Yeah I agree
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