Thick or thin Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 I apologize if this is being discussed in another thread. Just curious about what everyone else thinks. Most of us knew we weren’t going to be all that good this year. I was hoping for competitive and maybe some lucky bounces. Now I am starting to really like the idea of Anderson as our QB. Originally Josh Allen was supposed to sit on the bench and learn from a vet. That didn’t happen. Now, due to injury it has been forced on him and the team. I personally think Anderson is going to be better for Allen than McCarron would have been. I also think, given some time in the playbook Anderson offers us a better chance to win. Allen said he is looking at this as a blessing in disguise. I would have to agree. Thoughts? 1 1
oldmanfan Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 Anderson has more experience. From that standpoint might be better in the film room or sideline. But on the field, having Allen watch him vs. McCarron. Toss up. 1
Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 I don’t mind Anderson as a mentor, but I don’t want him on the field. He wasn’t even any good when he was 10 years younger. Guess anyone is better that who’s his face though... 3
GoBills808 Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 I think something weird went down with the whole McCarron situation re: vet presence 'mentor' of Allen aspect...totally unfounded and unconfirmed, but I have a feeling that he was never going to be the kind of guy a rookie QB needs to have in his corner. In that respect, Anderson is going to be 10x better. 3
Mr. WEO Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, Thick or thin said: I apologize if this is being discussed in another thread. Just curious about what everyone else thinks. Most of us knew we weren’t going to be all that good this year. I was hoping for competitive and maybe some lucky bounces. Now I am starting to really like the idea of Anderson as our QB. Originally Josh Allen was supposed to sit on the bench and learn from a vet. That didn’t happen. Now, due to injury it has been forced on him and the team. I personally think Anderson is going to be better for Allen than McCarron would have been. I also think, given some time in the playbook Anderson offers us a better chance to win. Allen said he is looking at this as a blessing in disguise. I would have to agree. Thoughts? oy..... 1
Thick or thin Posted October 19, 2018 Author Posted October 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: I don’t mind Anderson as a mentor, but I don’t want him on the field. He wasn’t even any good when he was 10 years younger. Guess anyone is better that who’s his face though... 11 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: I don’t mind Anderson as a mentor, but I don’t want him on the field. He wasn’t even any good when he was 10 years younger. Guess anyone is better that who’s his face though... He had one good year right? He has more experience and can hopefully dissect defenses better. I’m hopeful.
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 I’m warming up to the idea even though I’d rather see Allen playing in order to develop, but under the circumstances this hopefully provides some temporary stability
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 Anderson is the Kenny Bania of QB Mentors. 1
#34fan Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) I'm not feeling this "mentor" situation at all... For one thing, Allen isn't the type to need a mentor... Secondly, their personalities may not be conducive to that type of arrangement. If Derek turns out to be effective, Josh may not like it one bit... Even if Derek is mediocre, Josh may not appreciate the threat he poses. I like Anderson, but bringing him in with "mentoring" expectations doesn't seem well thought-out. -Or necessary. Edited October 19, 2018 by #34fan 1
FearLess Price Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 Having a mentor has really helped Darnold. When you have a player/coach like McCown, your rookie QB gets invaluable QB hacks and years of NFL insight.
Warcodered Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 4 hours ago, #34fan said: I'm not feeling this "mentor" situation at all... For one thing, Allen isn't the type to need a mentor... Secondly, their personalities may not be conducive to that type of arrangement. If Derek turns out to be effective, Josh may not like it one bit... Even if Derek is mediocre, Josh may not appreciate the threat he poses. I like Anderson, but bringing him in with "mentoring" expectations doesn't seem well thought-out. -Or necessary. He's a 35 year old Vet whose job for the last 7 years was to backup/mentor a young QB that's about as non threatening and experienced as you're going to get. 2 1
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 8 hours ago, Thick or thin said: I apologize if this is being discussed in another thread. Just curious about what everyone else thinks. Most of us knew we weren’t going to be all that good this year. I was hoping for competitive and maybe some lucky bounces. Now I am starting to really like the idea of Anderson as our QB. Originally Josh Allen was supposed to sit on the bench and learn from a vet. That didn’t happen. Now, due to injury it has been forced on him and the team. I personally think Anderson is going to be better for Allen than McCarron would have been. I also think, given some time in the playbook Anderson offers us a better chance to win. Allen said he is looking at this as a blessing in disguise. I would have to agree. Thoughts? Agree 110%
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 4 hours ago, FearLess Price said: Having a mentor has really helped Darnold. When you have a player/coach like McCown, your rookie QB gets invaluable QB hacks and years of NFL insight. And you know this how?
nucci Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 The mentor thing is so overused and overrated...most QBs prefer to play and don't want to give up their position to another QB 1
SoTier Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) The idea that Allen needs a "mentor" in the person of a veteran QB is utter nonsense. His QB coach is supposed to be his mentor. What Allen needs is a competent QB coach not David Culley, who has never played QB in the NFL (or apparently any other position), has never been a QB coach in the NFL, and whose last stint as an actual QB coach was 30 years ago at SW Louisiana State. Having a competent veteran QB as an additional mentor would be a bonus, but I don't think that Derek Anderson, a street FA who's started 4 games in the last 7 years and only had 1 successful season as a starter (2007), qualifies as a "competent veteran QB". Apparently, his Carolina connection (7 years as Cam Newton's backup) trumps all other considerations, so the Bills pursued Anderson since the summer to the exclusion of all other candidates -- another example of the Bills having become the refuge for ex-Carolina players and coaches in need of a paycheck. Edited October 19, 2018 by SoTier 1 1
TigerJ Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 I think Anderson can be an excellent mentor. He has been around the game, and even though he has not started much lately, he has seen and adopted the attitudes and patters that lead to success, and can model the same for Josh Allen. Reportedly, he already has. There is a chance he could be Buffalo's Josh McCown, who when he did start last year was very effective, and is apparently serving effectively in a mentor role for Sam Darnold. I'm not very optimistic about Sunday though, as Anderson really hasn't had enough time to fully assimilate Brian Daboll's system or shake of the rust.
Augie Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, SoTier said: The idea that Allen needs a "mentor" in the person of a veteran QB is utter nonsense. His QB coach is supposed to be his mentor. What Allen needs is a competent QB coach not David Culley, who has never played QB in the NFL (or apparently any other position), has never been a QB coach in the NFL, and whose last stint as an actual QB coach was 30 years ago at SW Louisiana State. Having a competent veteran QB as an additional mentor would be a bonus, but I don't think that Derek Anderson, a street FA who's started 4 games in the last 7 years and only had 1 successful season as a starter (2007), qualifies as a "competent veteran QB". Apparently, his Carolina connection (7 years as Cam Newton's backup) trumps all other considerations, so the Bills pursued Anderson since the summer to the exclusion of all other candidates -- another example of the Bills having become the refuge for ex-Carolina players and coaches in need of a paycheck. You sound conflicted. ? It’s OK to just say you don’t believe in Culley. I’ve never met the guy and know little about him, but on the surface it’s easy to question his qualifications. Developing Allen is arguably the most important task this entire team faces. We should have the best person money can buy to make that happen. 1
SoTier Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, Augie said: You sound conflicted. ? It’s OK to just say you don’t believe in Culley. I’ve never met the guy and know little about him, but on the surface it’s easy to question his qualifications. Developing Allen is arguably the most important task this entire team faces. We should have the best person money can buy to make that happen. I'm not "conflicted" at all. The job of mentor belongs to the QB coach. If there's a veteran QB on the team who is willing to offer the rookie advice that's great but that's NOT HIS JOB. Too many posters here are posting stuff as if it's Anderson's job to counsel Allen, and it's not. I'm afraid that the Bills have gone back to their old ways of hiring the cheapest assistant coaches they can after the Pegula's short term extravagance with Rex Ryan and his entourage, hence crappy offensive coaches like Dennison, Daboll, and Culley among others.
Augie Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 1 minute ago, SoTier said: I'm not "conflicted" at all. The job of mentor belongs to the QB coach. If there's a veteran QB on the team who is willing to offer the rookie advice that's great but that's NOT HIS JOB. Too many posters here are posting stuff as if it's Anderson's job to counsel Allen, and it's not. I'm afraid that the Bills have gone back to their old ways of hiring the cheapest assistant coaches they can after the Pegula's short term extravagance with Rex Ryan and his entourage, hence crappy offensive coaches like Dennison, Daboll, and Culley among others. Well, we can just agree to disagree, then. Cheap? I disagreed with the rest, but you really lost me at cheap. It’s a new day.
Koko78 Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) I like the idea of a low-end former starter coming in as a mentor/backup. Anderson (hopefully) is one of those guys who had to do the extra mental and film work to make up for a lack of raw physical talent/ability. He should be able to teach Allen how to better break down defenses, how to recognize tendencies and coverages, what his reads are, how to react to those reads, when he should be calling an audible, and how to watch film. It was a good sign when I saw Allen quoted somewhere that when he came in on Anderson's first day as a Bill, Derek had already been there for several hours, already worked out, and was watching game film. That's the type of work ethic that should be rubbing off on a young QB (regardless of talent level.) Edited October 19, 2018 by Koko78
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