Why the handling of the QBs wouldn't have changed anything

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Mark80 said:

I'm so sick of hearing about "should have brought in a vet" as if that is some sort of guarantee that a QB will be successful or something.  Or that Derek Anderson is going to be some sort of savior.  My lord, the guy was a starter in the league for 1 season like 15 years ago.  All these vets have learned so much and are so great that none of them have been consistent productive starters in their entire careers.  Yeah, I really want Allen learning from these clowns.  Now, learning behind someone like Favre or Alex Smith is a totally different story, but there wasn't anyone like that available (that we could afford) to do so.  Tell me who we were supposed to get and I will gladly bash that idea as illogical, impossible considering our situation, or just plain stupid.

 

Teddy Bridgewater have fun trying to Bash. 

 

Chad Henne - mind you this is the guy Mahomes is raving about 

Edited October 18, 2018 by MAJBobby

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

‘The handling of QBs wouldn’t have changed anything?’ What team has this dude been watching?

Would our record be different right now?  Would Allen be better or worse right now?

[Mark80]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Teddy Bridgewater 

 

Yeah, depend on the guy who almost had to have his leg amputated.  That seems like the safe play....ugh.  And where is he starting right now?  Oh yeah, nowhere.  Maybe his career high of 3,231 passing yards impresses you?  It doesn't me.  And a vet?  He's only 26 years old for heaven's sake.

Edited October 18, 2018 by Mark80

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Mark80 said:

 

Yeah, depend on the guy who almost had to have his leg amputated.  That seems like the safe play....ugh.

 

Wait are we depending on someone or talking mentor. Which is it 

 

also the guy that was Cleared to play from the same Drs handling that knee LAST YEAR 

Edited October 18, 2018 by MAJBobby

[Mark80]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

Wait are we depending on someone or talking mentor. Which is it 

 

also the guy that was Cleared to play from the same Drs handling that knee LAST YEAR 

 

See edited post regarding this.  How the hell is he considered to be such a great mentor?  Please explain.

[LeGOATski]

They should have drafted Josh Rosen.

[Not at the table Karlos]

1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said:

the Jets bailed on him pretty quickly.  just saying.  must be something wrong there.

They have darnold and got a third. Why wouldn't they trade him? 

[Mark80]

Just now, LeGOATski said:

They should have drafted Josh Rosen.

 

Now this is something I will listen to and respect the merits of the argument.

[Mr. WEO]

14 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

I get his knee. However 

 

1. He was cleared to play last season by Drs that handled that knee

 

2.  We were drafted a QB not looking for a long term answer. Just a Veteran Bridge. Hmmm 

 

3. Want a mentor in the room for your rookie whi better than someone that started many games in this league. And had to fight to come back from a horrific injury and still was on the Sideline helping Keenum??

 

 

 

but they chose AJ McCarron 

 

Team doctors clearing him only means he's not still injured.

 

Many posters here were worried that Allen, a huge young QB, would get destroyed behind this O-line.  Yet, the scrawny TB, who nearly lost his leg (his surgeon described it as looking like "a war wound" and his leg as "a toothpick") just jogging around in practice would have done just fine behind this line?

 

Right.

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Mark80 said:

 

See edited post regarding this.  How the hell is he considered to be such a great mentor?  Please explain.

 

Easy

 

1. Helped Keenum aot 

2. Started and player alot more games than McCarron against some very top end footbal teams. 

3. The work ethic needed to come back from his Injury and the Character something like that shows. 

4.  Was the most picked apart QB in his class ala Allen 

5. Was chosen to be the face of that Franchise ala Allen

 

There are 5 reasons. Want more?

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Team doctors clearing him only means he's not still injured.

 

Many posters here were worried that Allen, a huge young QB, would get destroyed behind this O-line.  Yet, the scrawny TB, who nearly lost his leg (his surgeon described it as looking like "a war wound" and his leg as "a toothpick") just jogging around in practice would have done just fine behind this line?

 

Right.

 

Guess you missed him taking multiple hits right on the knee in preseason. 

 

And a Team Dr that has kept him off the field and surgeon that defsribed it as a war wound. Cleared him in 2017 during the season 

[Not at the table Karlos]

5 minutes ago, Mark80 said:

 

Yeah, depend on the guy who almost had to have his leg amputated.  That seems like the safe play....ugh.  And where is he starting right now?  Oh yeah, nowhere.  Maybe his career high of 3,231 passing yards impresses you?  It doesn't me.  And a vet?  He's only 26 years old for heaven's sake.

He's stuck behind the guy that had a dislocated throwing shoulder that people said wouldn't be able to throw the same ever again. 

 

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Easy

 

1. Helped Keenum aot 

2. Started and player alot more games than McCarron against some very top end footbal teams. 

3. The work ethic needed to come back from his Injury and the Character something like that shows. 

4.  Was the most picked apart QB in his class ala Allen 

5. Was chosen to be the face of that Franchise ala Allen

 

There are 5 reasons. Want more?

 

Guess you missed him taking multiple hits right on the knee in preseason. 

 

And a Team Dr that has kept him off the field and surgeon that defsribed it as a war wound. Cleared him in 2017 during the season 

Preseason isn't a fair thing to look at.  Jets had him then and it's doubtful they make a trade within the division

[Mark80]

6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Easy

 

1. Helped Keenum aot 

2. Started and player alot more games than McCarron against some very top end footbal teams. 

3. The work ethic needed to come back from his Injury and the Character something like that shows. 

4.  Was the most picked apart QB in his class ala Allen 

5. Was chosen to be the face of that Franchise ala Allen

 

There are 5 reasons. Want more?

 

Dude, none of those make any sense.  Case Keenum sucks and had one outlier season where he produced because he was surrounded by one of the most talented offenses in the entire league.  Apparently all of Teddy's great words of wisdom in mentoring a Vet 4 years older than him didn't hold since he is about to be replaced by Chad Kelly.

 

Started and wasn't really that good against some top end football teams.  Again, 3,200 yards in his full second season of play.  Pretty much via all short throws.  Career high.  That's impressive to you?

 

Character?  Yeah, Allen's character has really come into question since we drafted him.  Same with his work ethic.  Or, that is what the team says are his best attributes besides his arm strength.

 

What the F does 4 and 5 have to do with anything?  Such a grasp at straws there my man and you know it.

Edited October 18, 2018 by Mark80

[LABILLBACKER]

I never cared about this years record. I don't care if we went 0-16. What was important was to give Josh an opportunity to watch and learn from the sidelines and not get hurt or lose confidence by playing too soon. We've failed miserably at all these. 

[BillsVet]

Regarding the Jets, they drafted Darnold in the 1st, retained a veteran in McCown, and signed Bridgewater in UFA. They went all in to ensure they had multiple answers at QB should something not work out.  When it was clear Darnold was starting, and the former starter McCown was there as a backup, only then did they deal Bridgewater.  A solid strategy after previous seasons of not truly addressing the QB position. They used multiple methods to acquire a legit starter this off-season.  

 

McCoach and Beane? Their track record suggests they don't know what they're doing at QB. 

 

They wisely signed a vet and retained their 2nd year QB who has struggled.  The same 2nd year QB who possesses a notoriously weak arm . Next, they drafted the raw rookie in the 1st.  At the end of the preseason, they trade the only veteran QB on the roster to start a significantly flawed and inexperienced option and have him backed up by the raw rookie. The inevitable happened when the flawed QB struggled mightily, forcing them into their only option: the rookie who most people realize should have had more time than one half to watch from the sidelines.  That injury has forced them into signing a street free agent, who likely will struggle. Their rookie is injured and out for who knows when.  Immediately the SFA needs to start and is backed up by the flawed QB. 

 

This is almost NFL personnel malfeasance.  McCoach may know defense, but at the game's most important position, he and Beane so far are inept. If they don't right that ship soon, it will end both McCoach and Beane's tenure in Buffalo within 2 years.

Edited October 18, 2018 by BillsVet

[MAJBobby]

5 minutes ago, Mark80 said:

 

Dude, none of those make any sense.  Case Keenum sucks and had one outlier season where he produced because he was surrounded by one of the most talented offenses in the entire league.  Apparently all of Teddy's great words of wisdom in mentoring a Vet 4 years older than him didn't hold since he is about to be replaced by Chad Kelly.

 

Started and wasn't really that good against some top end football teams.  Again, 3,200 yards in his full second season of play.  Pretty much via all short throws.  Career high.  That's impressive to you?

 

Character?  Yeah, Allen's character has really come into question since we drafted him.  Same with his work ethic.  Or, that is what the team says are his best attributes besides his arm strength.

 

What the F does 4 and 5 have to do with anything?  Such a grasp at straws there my man and you know it.

 

Got it. But yet everything I listed is better than the good ole AJ McCarron that they chose. 

 

We could have also Picked Chad Henne the guy that has helped Tannenhill, Bortles and Mahomes. 

 

But nope it was McCarron. 

 

But all good think that this position group wasnt botched. 

[Mr. WEO]

13 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Easy

 

1. Helped Keenum aot 

2. Started and player alot more games than McCarron against some very top end footbal teams. 

3. The work ethic needed to come back from his Injury and the Character something like that shows. 

4.  Was the most picked apart QB in his class ala Allen 

5. Was chosen to be the face of that Franchise ala Allen

 

There are 5 reasons. Want more?

 

Guess you missed him taking multiple hits right on the knee in preseason. 

 

And a Team Dr that has kept him off the field and surgeon that defsribed it as a war wound. Cleared him in 2017 during the season 

 

Being cleared is just what I said.

 

That same surgeon said that people with that injury have a 20-25% chance for full recovery.  TB was one of those.  But that surgeon would also tell you that knee isn't now normal, just functional. 

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Got it. But yet everything I listed is better than the good ole AJ McCarron that they chose. 

 

We could have also Picked Chad Henne the guy that has helped Tannenhill, Bortles and Mahomes. 

 

But nope it was McCarron. 

 

But all good think that this position group wasnt botched. 

Henne is Anderson is whoever the next guy you want to name is.   

 

They ry should have grabbed one of the when McCarron got traded.  A few games later they have.  It ultimately didn't change a lot

[MAJBobby]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Being cleared is just what I said.

 

That same surgeon said that people with that injury have a 20-25% chance for full recovery.  TB was one of those.  But that surgeon would also tell you that knee isn't now normal, just functional. 

 

And we would have been signing him for 1 year right? Because signing Bridgewater doesnt stop you from drafting Allen 

6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Henne is Anderson is whoever the next guy you want to name is.   

 

They ry should have grabbed one of the when McCarron got traded.  A few games later they have.  It ultimately didn't change a lot

You never know if ANYONE i named signed in March would not have changed anything. And to say so in a thread like the OP is asinine 

[Coach Tuesday]

17 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

This is almost NFL personnel malfeasance.  McCoach may know defense, but at the game's most important position, he and Beane so far are inept. If they don't right that ship soon, it will end both McCoach and Beane's tenure in Buffalo within 2 years.

 

There is no "almost" about it.  Negligence is defined as the failure to adhere to the industry standard of care.  As I've said elsewhere, the Bills constantly think they're smarter than everyone else - this goes back multiple regimes and multiple decades.  And EVERY TIME they try to outsmart the rest of the league, they fail miserably - it blows up in their faces in embarrassing fashion.  The QB situation in 2018 is no different (though it is remarkably similar to the Tuel/EJ fiasco).  We have negligent owners hiring negligent GMs and coaches, and they're trying to sell us that this was the plan all along.  It's a disgrace.