SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 18, 2018 Author Posted October 18, 2018 one way to reduce overcrowding in jails - legalize MJ and set those people arrested for holding an ounce free. 2
JMF2006 Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 18 hours ago, teef said: i was wondering how that would work in the states. say new york legalizes it...can you buy from a store in california and have it shipped, or does it violate federal law to do so? That might be illegal in the USA. I think the only legal state is Colorado. 53 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: one way to reduce overcrowding in jails - legalize MJ and set those people arrested for holding an ounce free. Wow that was never a jail term offence up here only possession for trafficking say one ounce in 4 different baggies. Even then it was more like a fine but depending on your previous record.
PromoTheRobot Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: That might be illegal in the USA. I think the only legal state is Colorado. Wow that was never a jail term offence up here only possession for trafficking say one ounce in 4 different baggies. Even then it was more like a fine but depending on your previous record. Nope. It's recreationally legal in: Colorado Washington Oregon California Nevada Alaska Massachusetts Maine Vermont District of Columbia 18 additional states allow medical use. Edited October 18, 2018 by PromoTheRobot
RochesterRob Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: I'm with JH on this. I know lots of people who use marijuana like some people have a cocktail once in a while. It's not a gateway drug. It's not addictive, physically anyway. Grownups ought to be able to use it as long as they use it safely. Not to excess and not when driving or doing anything important. With the people you describe, marijuana isn't the problem. If it wasn't pot it would be meth or crack or cough syrup. And besides, it's not like these people will suddenly start smoking weed just because it's legal. It's pretty widely available now. The idea behind legalization is to get the millions spent on pot out of the black market. Studies have shown that in states where it's been legalized, marijuana use barely increased. That's because most people don't decide to take it up just because of legalization. So that argument is a red herring. Get millions out of the black market? Too much easy money for these guys to go legit. They will grudgingly undercut the legit sellers on price. Since a number of us live in New York State when the day comes for pot don't be surprised if it does not carry similar restrictions as liquor or tobacco. Agree that it is very available currently. Edited October 18, 2018 by RochesterRob
Pete Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 20 hours ago, row_33 said: condo and rental apartments structures have the right to forbid smoking ANYTHING on their properties, including your own dwelling so as of today my building has forbidden the smoking of tobacco, pot, anything at all the only argument by the government is that it will: - get rid of the mafia (yeah right) - lower the deficit by taxation (just like lotteries) - keep kids away from bad elements (they have to be shitting us, right?) no thought at all has been put into this, it will be completely reversed shortly You should take a look at the benefits of drug legalization in Uruguay, Portugal, and Colorado
The Poojer Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 I've done the same thing, ridding myself of toxic relationships has made my life so much easier....I was regularly dealing with people that really were providing no value to my life and I made a conscious decision to change my habits. I am in no way saying I am better than anyone else, but what i was saying is i wanted my life to be better than it was with those external factors contributing or detracting from it...it's kind of refreshing 19 hours ago, teef said: i've really shrank the pool i regularly interact with because of this and time. some relationships just aren't worth the effort, and i no longer feel i have to please everyone, (except at work). i do agree with the bad luck comment. you just have to be lucky enough to not be where disaster strikes now a days. 2
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Get millions out of the black market? Too much easy money for these guys to go legit. They will grudgingly undercut the legit sellers on price. Since a number of us live in New York State when the day comes for pot don't be surprised if it does not carry similar restrictions as liquor or tobacco. Agree that it is very available currently. Yep! They will have to regulate the hell out of it! Then people will still be crying. "Ooooo Big Gov'ts got its meathooks in My Chronic!" Edited October 18, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois
Pete Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 Unleashing weed ? The black market is the only free market. What we have is cronie capitalism
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Pete said: Unleashing weed ? I was implying: unleashing legal weed. Sorry for the confusion.
RochesterRob Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 12 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Of course. Of course. We shall see. I think that since pot is not physically addictive consumption habits are pretty well set by early adulthood. So I see very few going off the rails that are in their 40's, 50's, or older. The problem I do see is with the very young where their behavior habits are forming. They are very vulnerable if society sends a signal such as "use as much as you want." 5 minutes ago, Pete said: You should take a look at the benefits of drug legalization in Uruguay, Portugal, and Colorado You lost me at Uruguay and Portugal. 1
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: I think that since pot is not physically addictive consumption habits are pretty well set by early adulthood. So I see very few going off the rails that are in their 40's, 50's, or older. The problem I do see is with the very young where their behavior habits are forming. They are very vulnerable if society sends a signal such as "use as much as you want." Exactamundo! I mean w/alcohol they advise the brain is not fully developed until 26. I know laugh as You may, but same habits are instilled when drinking below that age. Look how well booze turned out. Once again... It's the selfish generation, Boomers and their echo mouthpieces Millennials that see absolutely no harm. Be very careful what We wish for. We live in the land of unintended consequences! What could possibly go wrong! PS: Notice who controls the voting block now? They got their moment in the sun, with the control... The Counter Culture wanted 50 years ago. Edited October 18, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois 1
PromoTheRobot Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 39 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Get millions out of the black market? Too much easy money for these guys to go legit. They will grudgingly undercut the legit sellers on price. Since a number of us live in New York State when the day comes for pot don't be surprised if it does not carry similar restrictions as liquor or tobacco. Agree that it is very available currently. The only comparison I can make is to alcohol prohibition. What happened to bootleggers after you could buy booze legally?
Pete Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 28 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: You lost me at Uruguay and Portugal. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: The only comparison I can make is to alcohol prohibition. What happened to bootleggers after you could buy booze legally? Yeah... But the heavy handed reefer prohibition was a thing of the past, since the 1960s. There was slooooow decriminalization. No "Untouchables"... The gears are slowly moving. Just now, Pete said: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it Because Portugal is small. Sure... I want to live in say Denmark too! I would gladly pay 50% tax rate. It's the difference between having an only child vs. 20 children. That's why nobody copied it!
PromoTheRobot Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Exactamundo! I mean w/alcohol they advise the brain is not fully developed until 26. I know laugh as You may, but same habits are instilled when drinking below that age. Look how well booze turned out. Once again... It's the selfish generation, Boomers and their echo mouthpieces Millennials that see absolutely no harm. Be very careful what We wish for. We live in the land of unintended consequences! What could possibly go wrong! Your argument is that pot is the red line. The line was already crossed with every other substance. And I include guns. If people can tolerate gun deaths arguing about the evils of anything is specious. Edited October 18, 2018 by PromoTheRobot
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) And they all come together under a common identity. Forget about America. LoL... Edited October 18, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois
RochesterRob Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: The only comparison I can make is to alcohol prohibition. What happened to bootleggers after you could buy booze legally? Apples and oranges. Most bootleggers were tied to the Mafia so once booze became legal they had the numbers racket, prostitution, hijacking, drugs, etc. For those not tied to the mob in the 1930's once the Depression eased up you could still make a good living as a tradesman.
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Your argument is that pot is the red line. The line was already crossed with every other substance. And I include guns. If people can tolerate gun deaths arguing about the evils if weed is specious. It's a lot more grayer than that and nuanced. 1 minute ago, RochesterRob said: Apples and oranges. Most bootleggers were tied to the Mafia so once booze became legal they had the numbers racket, prostitution, hijacking, drugs, etc. For those not tied to the mob in the 1930's once the Depression eased up you could still make a good living as a tradesman. And He's forgetting the impact booze was on the masses during the industrial revolution. Promo needs to go way back, even read about Prohibition in Canada during the 19th Century. People become physically dependant on booze. All are different. Some will go through DTs, others handle it different.
RochesterRob Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Your argument is that pot is the red line. The line was already crossed with every other substance. And I include guns. If people can tolerate gun deaths arguing about the evils of anything is specious. Gun deaths are tragic but do not occur at rate remotely close to that of substance abuse. 1
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Gun deaths are tragic but do not occur at rate remotely close to that of substance abuse. And... How many gun deaths are directly caused by substance abuse! There is a direct link.
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