Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 2:56 PM, ExiledInIllinois said: And... How many gun deaths are directly caused by substance abuse! There is a direct link. Expand How many gun deaths occur because a person just smoked a joint? Not never. Happy, sleepy, hungry. That’s all. Stop referring to smoking weed as “substance abuse.” ?
PromoTheRobot Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 2:52 PM, RochesterRob said: Gun deaths are tragic but do not occur at rate remotely close to that of substance abuse. Expand You are correct. In 2016 there were 37K firearms related deaths in the US, compared to 65K deaths from drug overdoses. (0 from pot, though.)
RochesterRob Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 2:43 PM, Pete said: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it Expand I find the article long and meandering. Please summarize so as to get across what you feel is important. I see mostly talk about health centers and treatment but not much about success rates. Occurrence based on income profile? I see both countries functioning at a rate not much above indoor plumbing and dragged into modern times by more successful Western nations. I would be more impressed by a country that has legal drugs that could also put a person on Mars or invent warp drive. 1
Pete Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 3:02 PM, RochesterRob said: I find the article long and meandering. Please summarize so as to get across what you feel is important. I see mostly talk about health centers and treatment but not much about success rates. Occurrence based on income profile? I see both countries functioning at a rate not much above indoor plumbing and dragged into modern times by more successful Western nations. I would be more impressed by a country that has legal drugs that could also put a person on Mars or invent warp drive. Expand Treatment and care instead of incarcerating for one
PromoTheRobot Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 3:02 PM, RochesterRob said: I find the article long and meandering. Please summarize so as to get across what you feel is important. I see mostly talk about health centers and treatment but not much about success rates. Occurrence based on income profile? I see both countries functioning at a rate not much above indoor plumbing and dragged into modern times by more successful Western nations. I would be more impressed by a country that has legal drugs that could also put a person on Mars or invent warp drive. Expand The gist of the Portuguese strategy was to decriminalize all drug use but maintain harsh penalties for distribution. The result was people more willing to seek medical help to deal with their drug use.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 18, 2018 Author Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) On 10/18/2018 at 1:19 PM, JMF2006 said: Wow that was never a jail term offence up here only possession for trafficking say one ounce in 4 different baggies. Even then it was more like a fine but depending on your previous record. Expand More than two ounces but less than one-half of a pound: Penalties include a fine of up to $2,000, up to two years in prison, or both. https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/Marijuana-Possession.htm don't know how dated it is New York - when I left in '97 it was this Up to 25 grams: New York has decriminalized possession of small amounts of marijuana (at least as far as first and second violations are involved). Violations are considered civil citations (similar to a traffic violation), which incur a fine, but no jail time. There is a fine of up to $100 for a first offense, and up to $200 for a second offense. On 10/18/2018 at 2:56 PM, ExiledInIllinois said: And... How many gun deaths are directly caused by substance abuse! There is a direct link. Expand they are too lazy to get off the couch they are too stoned to see straight both hands are needed to hold - a lighter and or a joint , bong or bow lol's Edited October 18, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 18, 2018 Author Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 3:00 PM, Johnny Hammersticks said: How many gun deaths occur because a person just smoked a joint? Not never. Happy, sleepy, hungry. That’s all. Stop referring to smoking weed as “substance abuse.” ? Expand I've always reference something like this wrt violence You see bar fights all the time ..... blood and broken bones. If you see 2 stoned people fight ..... blood and broken bones are caused by accidents. It's funny until someone gets hurt
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 3:00 PM, Johnny Hammersticks said: How many gun deaths occur because a person just smoked a joint? Not never. Happy, sleepy, hungry. That’s all. Stop referring to smoking weed as “substance abuse.” ? Expand Wow! Tobacco is substance abuse. Overeating is too. Okay maybe overeating. Just like putting a slow gun to Your head. On 10/18/2018 at 4:41 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: I've always reference something like this wrt violence You see bar fights all the time ..... blood and broken bones. If you see 2 stoned people fight ..... blood and broken bones are caused by accidents. It's funny until someone gets hurt Expand We simply don't know. It's not that prevalant and mainstream yet as is alcohol. Also driving too slow is just as, if not more dangerous. WRT driving under the influence. Indecision kills from a safety standpoint, and others around You. What will be the threshold hold for driving and operating machinery? What will be the in the field measuring device, systems for determining impairment? What about accidental ingestion through edibles? Lacing of food?
PromoTheRobot Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 4:49 PM, ExiledInIllinois said: Wow! Tobacco is substance abuse. Overeating is too. Okay maybe overeating. Just like putting a slow gun to Your head. We simply don't know. It's not that prevalant and mainstream yet as is alcohol. Also driving too slow is just as, if not more dangerous. WRT driving under the influence. Indecision kills from a safety standpoint, and others around You. What will be the threshold hold for driving and operating machinery? What will be the in the field measuring device, systems for determining impairment? What about accidental ingestion through edibles? Lacing of food? Expand Everything you brought up is an issue now. Nothing changes with legalization. So how do officials deal with it now? The same way they will deal with it after it's legal. So if the Earth isn't spinning off its axis now over pot, it probably won't later.
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) On 10/18/2018 at 5:12 PM, PromoTheRobot said: Everything you brought up is an issue now. Nothing changes with legalization. So how do officials deal with it now? The same way they will deal with it after it's legal. So if the Earth isn't spinning off its axis now over pot, it probably won't later. Expand We simply don't know it won't spin off axis. Have You looked out Your window at all the problems recently. Let's wait till it goes mainstream. I mean Hammersticks is saying all the teachers are high. Yeah, that's a real shock. Check out the educational wasteland and all the lazy educators carpetbagging for the best pay around. The warts are starting to show. Edited October 18, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois
PromoTheRobot Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 5:15 PM, ExiledInIllinois said: We simply don't know it won't spin off axis. Have You looked out Your window at all the problems recently. Let's wait till it goes mainstream. I mean Hammersticks is saying all the teachers are high. Yeah, that's a real shock. Check out the educational wasteland and all the lazy educators carpetbagging for the best pay around. The warts are starting to show. Expand You are making some huge leaps there.
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 5:20 PM, PromoTheRobot said: You are making some huge leaps there. Expand Nooooo... Come visit Me in a Metropolitan area that has 10 million. You wanna see Sh *tholes affected by reefer madness, alcohol, guns, and tobacco. I can show You some real beauts.
Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 5:15 PM, ExiledInIllinois said: We simply don't know it won't spin off axis. Have You looked out Your window at all the problems recently. Let's wait till it goes mainstream. I mean Hammersticks is saying all the teachers are high. Yeah, that's a real shock. Check out the educational wasteland and all the lazy educators carpetbagging for the best pay around. The warts are starting to show. Expand Woah, buddy. I'm not saying that teachers are toking up a fatty before school. We're talking about responsible professionals who happen to take a puff or two at night while they're watching The Bachelor. No more harmful than the person who has a couple glasses of Merlot. I think your perception of educators may be a bit distorted based on your experiences/perspective.
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) On 10/18/2018 at 5:25 PM, Johnny Hammersticks said: Woah, buddy. I'm not saying that teachers are toking up a fatty before school. We're talking about responsible professionals who happen to take a puff or two at night while they're watching The Bachelor. No more harmful than the person who has a couple glasses of Merlot. I think your perception of educators may be a bit distorted based on your experiences/perspective. Expand They sure are... Distorted. Many of them are grading tests @ home while sipping the merlot miles away in some far off town. Now... I don't know what's better, a Stoner 20 something English teacher grading My daughter's essay while high or not. You be the judge. She is My daughter. ? Probably better high. Okay, "just chilling." Edited October 18, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois
teef Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 5:25 PM, Johnny Hammersticks said: Woah, buddy. I'm not saying that teachers are toking up a fatty before school. We're talking about responsible professionals who happen to take a puff or two at night while they're watching The Bachelor. No more harmful than the person who has a couple glasses of Merlot. I think your perception of educators may be a bit distorted based on your experiences/perspective. Expand one of the professionals i know that is a very regular smoker is an oncology surgeon. she walks around with a glass of wine at parties, but every so often she goes outside and takes a hit off a pen. she just doesn't love drinking, and likes to avoid that hangover. weed won't make this society crumble is alcohol already hasn't...and this is coming from someone who really enjoys drinking.
PromoTheRobot Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 5:23 PM, ExiledInIllinois said: Nooooo... Come visit Me in a Metropolitan area that has 10 million. You wanna see Sh *tholes affected by reefer madness, alcohol, guns, and tobacco. I can show You some real beauts. Expand So you're saying the alcohol, tobacco and guns are fine, but add weed and now it's a problem?
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 5:30 PM, teef said: one of the professionals i know that is a very regular smoker is an oncology surgeon. she walks around with a glass of wine at parties, but every so often she goes outside and takes a hit off a pen. she just doesn't love drinking, and likes to avoid that hangover. weed won't make this society crumble is alcohol already hasn't...and this is coming from someone who really enjoys drinking. Expand Great! Malpractice insurance providers would love to know Her name! On 10/18/2018 at 5:31 PM, PromoTheRobot said: So you're saying the alcohol, tobacco and guns are fine, but add weed and now it's a problem? Expand No. Not at all! Look at damage they cause legally. Legalization is no silver bullet.
PromoTheRobot Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) On 10/18/2018 at 5:31 PM, ExiledInIllinois said: Great! Malpractice insurance providers would love to know Her name! No. Not at all! Look at damage they cause legally. Legalization is no silver bullet. Expand The point is anything in excess is a problem. There are alcoholics but millions still drink responsibly. I can't defend tobacco. But we let people smoke. Most gun owners are responsible but we let any dimwit own one, even a machine gun. Legal pot doesn't change its impact on society, other than right a wrong. Edited October 18, 2018 by PromoTheRobot
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) On 10/18/2018 at 5:31 PM, ExiledInIllinois said: Great! Malpractice insurance providers would love to know Her name! No. Not at all! Look at damage they cause legally. Legalization is no silver bullet. Expand exaggerate much? you sure have brought a lot of drama to this thread. Edited October 18, 2018 by no name
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