Peter King with Murph & Tasker Today: Bills' QB Situation is Lunacy

[oldmanfan]

9 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

 

I personally would have tried for Bridgewater. But that's just me. I wanted them to try and get him basically to start while JA sat, but they went another direction so as always it is what it is.

Someone else brought him up, and back in March when he hit free agency they could have done that.  Recall at the time most teams were really scared about his knee.  But in retrospect that would have been a good move.  Once he signed with the Jets, I don't think there was any way they were making an in division trade.

[Gigs]

 

Just now, twoandfourteen said:

 

Unfortunately, I think you're right. 

 

It's the only explanation I can come up with at this point. 

 

I couldn't care less about the religious beliefs of players or coaches, but I do think it's a factor in this situation. 

Honestly if you weigh religious affiliation as a talent then you shouldn’t be coaching. I never fully accepted McD because his first words as HC were how he’s a man of family and faith. Ok, cool...but it has NOTHING to do with football or winning. I could care less if he was a Satan worshiper, all I care about is if he’s really going to get talent or just raid his old team for pieces they don’t want so he can fill the locker room with players loyal to him. 

 

Just another Jauron. Good DC, shouldn’t run a team. Also, Jauron also comes from the Mike Holmgren/Andy Reid coaching tree. There must be a pattern where you never go for his DCs only the OCs. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

22 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Petermans a holy roller.

 

It played a big part for why he's still here.

 

...then why the hell doesn't he seek some "divine intervention"??.....

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Gigs said:

 

Honestly if you weigh religious affiliation as a talent then you shouldn’t be coaching. I never fully accepted McD because his first words as HC were how he’s a man of family and faith. Ok, cool...but it has NOTHING to do with football or winning. I could care less if he was a Satan worshiper, all I care about is if he’s really going to get talent or just raid his old team for pieces they don’t want so he can fill the locker room with players loyal to him. 

 

Just another Jauron. Good DC, shouldn’t run a team. Also, Jauron also comes from the Mike Holmgren/Andy Reid coaching tree. There must be a pattern where you never go for his DCs only the OCs. 

I think your take on the religion thing is absolute nonsense.  And I'm a religious guy myself.

 

McDermott wants guys who are serious about football. 

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Someone else brought him up, and back in March when he hit free agency they could have done that.  Recall at the time most teams were really scared about his knee.  But in retrospect that would have been a good move.  Once he signed with the Jets, I don't think there was any way they were making an in division trade.

Yeah I agree. I was hoping they would nab him before he went to the Jets because IMO I was thinking maybe they could get him at a decent price (with the knee issue in mind). I just thought it would have been a better scenario, but with the Oline problems he very well likely would have gotten hurt again.

 

So there's really no way of knowing for sure, I thought between he and Matt Moore, they were about the best FA at the time you could hope to bring in.

[Beast]

26 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Petermans a holy roller.

 

It played a big part for why he's still here.

 

You have no idea regarding that.

Edited October 17, 2018 by Binghamton Beast

[MAJBobby]

9 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

Actually, Tasker said that they tried to sign Anderson and ended up with McCarron (after Anderson turned them down). So yes, they did try to sign him before the draft. 

 

They tried to sign Josh McCown too (peter king was actually the one to first report it), but he chose the Jets. 

 

Well should have upped their offer. 

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Patrick_Duffy said:

Yeah I agree. I was hoping they would nab him before he went to the Jets because IMO I was thinking maybe they could get him at a decent price (with the knee issue in mind). I just thought it would have been a better scenario, but with the Oline problems he very well likely would have gotten hurt again.

 

So there's really no way of knowing for sure, I thought between he and Matt Moore, they were about the best FA at the time you could hope to bring in.

From what I've read Moore just isn't interested in playing anymore.

I have said before they can be justifiably criticized for not getting a vet in way earlier, if nothing else but to mentor two young QBs.  But ultimately this comes down to two things:

 

1.  Peterman throwing up in regular season games vs. how he looks in practice and pre-season

2.  When your starting QB goes down in the NFL, you're many more times than not hosed.

 

I would hope they start Anderson Sunday and for however many games till Allen is back.  With our D and run game a guy like Anderson may be able to steal a few games.  The only other thing would be to bring a guy like Landry Jones on, but they did have him in for a look and apparently he didn't impress.

 

[MAJBobby]

46 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Bobby - How can you say this with with a straight face, after coming on the board last fall and spamming TBD with TT hate? Hmmm?  

 

So being critical is spamming. And yes In Hindsight with the way this position group was handled after the trade yep I can say that

[BigBuff423]

I've defended McD and Beane since they arrived in Buffalo, and for the most part I've been a fan of what they've done because I think I can see their vision for the future. 

 

All of that said, I cannot defend their decision to NOT have a Vet QB on the roster to start the season. When they traded AJ I was a bit shocked but I did understand their desire to continue to build Draft assets as they completely redesign the roster. However, when they *didn't* go get another Vet QB, that puzzled me. I'm not going to type away and say I saw all of this coming, but I think any average fan could say they saw something similar occurring in terms of needing a Vet presence with Allen and to be the stop-gap in the event of an injury. 

 

I wasn't a Bridgewater guy b/c I didn't want all the controversy between starting him or Allen or how the succession plan would occur. But, I can also see how that would have worked out much better than what the Bills have right now. IMHO, it is better just to admit the mistake and make a play for a decent QB that can be the long-term back-up / spot starter. Anderson is fine for this year, but that doesn't answer the long-term (i.e. next 3 years) back-up issue.

 

So, I know I'm going to get lit up for this for so many reasons, but let me make a suggestion:

 

Trade for Andrew Luck: 

 

He signed a 5 year contract 3 years ago, with minimal dead money if you needed to cut him in 2020. He becomes the Vet to school Allen, he keeps playing at least the next two to three years and now that we can see he's healthy, there's minimal risk. Bills will have the money to do it without question, Indy is on the fast-track to compete for the 1st overall pick and they can pick their QB, while the Bills get out of this QB purgatory and still have Allen waiting to ascend the position in two or three years. Luck is 29, so he's not at that 33 / 34 year old juncture yet, so your financial commitment to him would be limited.

 

Indy wants picks, the Bills have them and they can trade a player or two if they'd like. Additionally, Luck comes to Buffalo, with a great deal of FA money, the Bills can get the players they need on Offense to surround Luck to be successful, including an improved Offensive line. Defensively the Bills are already good and young. 

 

Of course I don't know how much it would take, but right now, given his tenuous status in Indy before the season with Irsay, and how the team has just not looked good, I think it's worth the call to find out what it would take. I know it would be a lot, but as I presented above, the Bills might be in a truly unique position to be able to leverage Draft picks and a player or two to get it done and with substantial Cap money, nothing is impossible. Flame away....

 

 

[BillsInWilmingtonNC]

I still like the trade of Tyrod and McCarron.  Peterman is on the team because he knows the offense, is a very cheap backup, and is smart.  He just doesn't have the arm to execute all of the throws that he needs to make.  That said, he can still help Josh Allen learn and fill in when needed until his cheap rookie contract is up.

[nucci]

9 minutes ago, BillsInWilmingtonNC said:

I still like the trade of Tyrod and McCarron.  Peterman is on the team because he knows the offense, is a very cheap backup, and is smart.  He just doesn't have the arm to execute all of the throws that he needs to make.  That said, he can still help Josh Allen learn and fill in when needed until his cheap rookie contract is up.

He is a terrible QB.....how can he help Allen learn? He's only been in the league 1 year...we saw how he can fill in....he is not good

[BillsInWilmingtonNC]

Just now, nucci said:

He is a terrible QB.....how can he help Allen learn? He's only been in the league 1 year...we saw how he can fill in....he is not good

It is quite ignorant to say that someone who is not a good QB themselves (Due to physical limitations IMO) cannot teach someone else anything about being a good QB.  How was Jordan Palmer as an NFL Quarterback?  Only started something like 5 games, but is now highly regarded by many people for his work with young QBs.  Now I am not saying Peterman is Jordan Palmer, but surely Peterman has some knowledge that Allen could benefit from.  Peterman is touted as being very smart, can throw with anticipation which shows he knows the playbook and knows where receivers will be, just simply does not have the arm to get it there consistently.

 

And yes we have seen how Peterman can fill in, he came in and threw a TD and gave us the lead, and 9 times out of 10 I would say our defense shuts them down and we win that game.  I do not want Peterman as our QB1.....  All I am saying is that I understand why he is here at this very moment.

[Gigs]

26 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I think your take on the religion thing is absolute nonsense.  And I'm a religious guy myself.

 

McDermott wants guys who are serious about football. 

If you don’t like it go read your bible. Zealots are not winners. Brady doesn’t preach about god and he has 5 rings. Tebow praises the lord and now he’s a scrub AAA baseball player lmao. Peterman is also another guy who hypes up to Carrie Underwood. Sorry old bro, but god does NOT cut it in a man’s game that has more to do with mentality than physicality. There’s absolutely no room for god and jesus. 

 

Religion has no place in a sport of man. Neither does politics and I will bet you’re one of those faux patriots who got butthurt over the flag when you also never served (I did, 68W-M6.) Again, go back to your bible and Fox News and let the real men play it out. 

[nucci]

4 minutes ago, BillsInWilmingtonNC said:

It is quite ignorant to say that someone who is not a good QB themselves (Due to physical limitations IMO) cannot teach someone else anything about being a good QB.  How was Jordan Palmer as an NFL Quarterback?  Only started something like 5 games, but is now highly regarded by many people for his work with young QBs.  Now I am not saying Peterman is Jordan Palmer, but surely Peterman has some knowledge that Allen could benefit from.  Peterman is touted as being very smart, can throw with anticipation which shows he knows the playbook and knows where receivers will be, just simply does not have the arm to get it there consistently.

 

And yes we have seen how Peterman can fill in, he came in and threw a TD and gave us the lead, and 9 times out of 10 I would say our defense shuts them down and we win that game.  I do not want Peterman as our QB1.....  All I am saying is that I understand why he is here at this very moment.

Don't tell me I'm ignorant....I know what I'm talking about. Peterman is not being touted in any of these ways by anyone

Edited October 17, 2018 by nucci

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

The answer was simple. After Peterman ***** the bed in game #1, they needed to bring someone in. These idiots kept churning the bottom of the roster for everything but a proven vet. Anderson would be well up to speed now and he wouldn't have lost the Houston game. Even the garbage choices like Lynch and Jones are better than Peterman. We could bring Jim Kelly back and have better results than Nate.  The blind loyalty to him is sick.

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, Gigs said:

If you don’t like it go read your bible. Zealots are not winners. Brady doesn’t preach about god and he has 5 rings. Tebow praises the lord and now he’s a scrub AAA baseball player lmao. Peterman is also another guy who hypes up to Carrie Underwood. Sorry old bro, but god does NOT cut it in a man’s game that has more to do with mentality than physicality. There’s absolutely no room for god and jesus. 

 

Religion has no place in a sport of man. Neither does politics and I will bet you’re one of those faux patriots who got butthurt over the flag when you also never served (I did, 68W-M6.) Again, go back to your bible and Fox News and let the real men play it out. 

Actually I am not one of those guys about the flag, actually I don't watch Fox News, and you are actually being ridiculous when you say that McDermott is starting Peterman because of some religious reason. 

 

McDermott has been very clear; he wants guys that care about the game of football and put their time and effort into making themselves the best they can be at football.  I will be very surprised if Peterman starts Sunday.

4 minutes ago, nucci said:

Don't tell me I'm ignorant....I know what I'm talking about. Peterman is not being touted in any of these ways by anyone

How often are you in the locker room?

[nucci]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Actually I am not one of those guys about the flag, actually I don't watch Fox News, and you are actually being ridiculous when you say that McDermott is starting Peterman because of some religious reason. 

 

McDermott has been very clear; he wants guys that care about the game of football and put their time and effort into making themselves the best they can be at football.  I will be very surprised if Peterman starts Sunday.

How often are you in the locker room?

I've never been in the locker room. I've been in A locker room

[BillsInWilmingtonNC]

3 minutes ago, nucci said:

Don't tell me I'm ignorant....I know what I'm talking about. Peterman is not being touted in any of these ways by anyone

Not saying YOU are an ignorant person my friend.....  just saying it is an ignorant thought to say that Peterman cannot teach Allen ANYTHING.  And we will just have to agree to disagree that Peterman is touted in those ways

[nucci]

6 minutes ago, BillsInWilmingtonNC said:

Not saying YOU are an ignorant person my friend.....  just saying it is an ignorant thought to say that Peterman cannot teach Allen ANYTHING.  And we will just have to agree to disagree that Peterman is touted in those ways

ok, sorry I took it the wrong way

Edited October 17, 2018 by nucci