26CornerBlitz Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, oldmanfan said: Right. I think he's starting to figure things out more. For all young QBs the game has to slow down for them. I haven't seen much evidence to support this. The injury comes at an unfortunate time because he needs as many reps as possible to gain valuable experience.
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, tumaro02 said: Well the big knock on him was accuracy and Mayfield has been anointed as the most accurate passer. Truth is YTD Mayfield is 55.6%, Rosen is 55.6%, and Allen is 54.0%. Based on that alone I would group them together and when you look at their QB rating that is also close (and pretty identical if you throw in Allen's 3 TDs via legs. By that I would say your eyes are bloodshot and you are looking for negativity to spew your trash. I am willing to venture a guess that Allen's receivers have had more drops too. On the other hand ESPN's possibly dubious QBR rating, which tries to account for some of the factors you mention, does put Allen behind the other QBs at this point.
Johnnycage46 Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, 17 Josh Allen said: great post I totally agree. I love a lot of what I see In Josh. A couple of games sitting down will do him good with his Injury. Most of the bitching is coming from the Rosen Fan Boys and WGR crew who simply can’t hate Josh Allen enough. Especially Mike Shoope and Jeremy White. I very much want to agree with you both and I hope I am wrong but Allen seems to be struggling to get rid of the ball and seems to make poor decisions. Both thing I hope he outgrows but it is concerning.
PearlHowardman Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: ...right now, while he is a rookie, they are rookie mistakes. Carried over from his college playing days. In another word: Trend! And trends seldom change.
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 2 hours ago, PearlHowardman said: Carried over from his college playing days. In another word: Trend! And trends seldom change. Do you not understand what the word "rookie" means?
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I haven't seen much evidence to support this. The injury comes at an unfortunate time because he needs as many reps as possible to gain valuable experience. I evaluated every throw he made in the first hal and posted it yesterday. See if you agree with my analysis. 2 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Do you not understand what the word "rookie" means? Curious, isn't it?
26CornerBlitz Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, oldmanfan said: I evaluated every throw he made in the first hal and posted it yesterday. See if you agree with my analysis. It's not just about every throw he makes. It's also some he's not making when he doesn't keep his eyes downfield and instead takes off to soon 1
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: It's not just about every throw he makes. It's also some he's not making when he doesn't keep his eyes downfield and instead takes off to soon Again I evaluated every pass play from the first half yesterday, those where he not only threw but when he ran. Take a look at it. Instead of just throwing out cliché-like statements take a look at how I broke it down and then we can discuss actual vs. theoreticals.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) Just now, oldmanfan said: Again I evaluated every pass play from the first half yesterday, those where he not only threw but when he ran. Take a look at it. Instead of just throwing out cliché-like statements take a look at how I broke it down and then we can discuss actual vs. theoreticals. You act as if I didn't watch the game. Edited October 16, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: You act as if I didn't watch the game. Why can't you simply just look at my post, and then we can discuss?
DCOrange Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 He's definitely behind the other 1st round QBs right now, but that's okay. He was always supposed to be behind them his rookie year. Beane didn't draft him for how he thought he'd play as a rookie; he drafted him for where he thinks he can get to in a year or two.
Scorp83 Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Troll Toll said: I see a lot of buyer’s remorse going on with Josh right now and I really don’t get it. I don’t see the other rookie QBs lighting it up yet and Josh was the 3rd one taken. Had he not been injured, I think we beat the Texans and he moves to 3-2 as a starter with 3 wins against playoff caliber teams. People say they aren’t seeing improvements and I couldn’t disagree more. The deer in the headlights look is fading and the game appears to be slowing down. I’m seeing far fewer ill-advised decisions. He is still a work in progress (like all the other rookie QBs), but nothing so far makes me think he has any less ability to be successful than the other guys. I think the biggest remaining areas for improvement for Josh are: 1. Properly gauging what is NFL “open”. If he can get a grip on that this year, wait until he gets targets who can separate. 2. Presnap recognition. He is a really smart kid and I have confidence he will excel in this area over time. This is the first time he is seeing the exotic defenses of the NFL. Biggest reasons for optimism over QBs of the drought era: 1. The arm talent - Throw on any EJ or Fitzpatrick game and you’ll see head scratching zip code accuracy issues. 2. Use of the middle of the field - We rarely saw this with Losman and Tyrod. It completely handicaps an offense when you refuse to use half of the field. 3. Willingness to throw downfield - Trent Edwards was the worst at this. Defenses will play close to the LoS like they are moving the fielders in against the kid who sucks at kickball. You have to keep the defense honest. 4. Signs of pocket presence - We’ve gone through many QBs who had no feel for the pocket and would just take off at the first sign of pressure. Allen has shown flashes of poise, keeping his eyes downfield, stepping up in the pocket and making a throw. He still has a ways to go, but I didn’t even see flashes of this from past QBs. When you throw 23 passes a game, you generally won’t hit 300 yards. To do so would require ~13 ypa which is a phenomenal number. He is developing before our eyes, but it seems like a lot of folks can’t see the forest through the trees. My eyes tell me he is already on par with where Tyrod was a year ago and he is just getting started. I disagree with this whole post... he's shell shocked, escapes the pocket way too early, he has 166 passing the last 2 weeks combined, he doesn't throw to open WR's... granted the WR's are crap... but Zay is open almost all the time... He's so Raw & is behind the QB's in the 1st Rd... except Jackson & that's only because he has Flacco in front of him. PPF has Allen rated as the worst QB under pressure. This is why I didnt want to draft him, because he's a project. McBeane is a joke right now, because they didn't have a plan after drafting the QB that needs the most work. They fell in love with Allen personality, more so then his readiness to play in this league. To sit here & try to compare Allen to the rest of this QB class is laughable in itself. He's not ready for this league, & I think McBeane just figured that out... which is why he's "Week to Week" & Allen wants a second opinion... Ughhh take the hint kid, your bench... i feel like McBeane just didn't want to hurt the kid feelings. 1
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 18 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It's not just about every throw he makes. It's also some he's not making when he doesn't keep his eyes downfield and instead takes off to soon You should consider asking the Bills to give you a tryout as a QB or QB coach.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, PlayoffsPlease said: You should consider asking the Bills to give you a tryout as a QB or QB coach. What does this have to do with where he is and what he needs to be a long term successful NFL QB? You should consider a more meaningful response.
MAJBobby Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Troll Toll said: I see a lot of buyer’s remorse going on with Josh right now and I really don’t get it. I don’t see the other rookie QBs lighting it up yet and Josh was the 3rd one taken. Had he not been injured, I think we beat the Texans and he moves to 3-2 as a starter with 3 wins against playoff caliber teams. People say they aren’t seeing improvements and I couldn’t disagree more. The deer in the headlights look is fading and the game appears to be slowing down. I’m seeing far fewer ill-advised decisions. He is still a work in progress (like all the other rookie QBs), but nothing so far makes me think he has any less ability to be successful than the other guys. I think the biggest remaining areas for improvement for Josh are: 1. Properly gauging what is NFL “open”. If he can get a grip on that this year, wait until he gets targets who can separate. 2. Presnap recognition. He is a really smart kid and I have confidence he will excel in this area over time. This is the first time he is seeing the exotic defenses of the NFL. Biggest reasons for optimism over QBs of the drought era: 1. The arm talent - Throw on any EJ or Fitzpatrick game and you’ll see head scratching zip code accuracy issues. 2. Use of the middle of the field - We rarely saw this with Losman and Tyrod. It completely handicaps an offense when you refuse to use half of the field. 3. Willingness to throw downfield - Trent Edwards was the worst at this. Defenses will play close to the LoS like they are moving the fielders in against the kid who sucks at kickball. You have to keep the defense honest. 4. Signs of pocket presence - We’ve gone through many QBs who had no feel for the pocket and would just take off at the first sign of pressure. Allen has shown flashes of poise, keeping his eyes downfield, stepping up in the pocket and making a throw. He still has a ways to go, but I didn’t even see flashes of this from past QBs. When you throw 23 passes a game, you generally won’t hit 300 yards. To do so would require ~13 ypa which is a phenomenal number. He is developing before our eyes, but it seems like a lot of folks can’t see the forest through the trees. My eyes tell me he is already on par with where Tyrod was a year ago and he is just getting started. I dont like to dog Rookie QBs so I wont. However I also do not see what you are seeing. Josh Allen is clearly behind the other 4 top end QBs in terms of his play and development
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 2 hours ago, tumaro02 said: Well the big knock on him was accuracy and Mayfield has been anointed as the most accurate passer. Truth is YTD Mayfield is 55.6%, Rosen is 55.6%, and Allen is 54.0%. Based on that alone I would group them together and when you look at their QB rating that is also close (and pretty identical if you throw in Allen's 3 TDs via legs. By that I would say your eyes are bloodshot and you are looking for negativity to spew your trash. As most rational people would think.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 Problem with Josh Allen is his college tape is mostly terrible. So what are we hoping to see? This perfect piece of clay learn how to play QB at the highest level when he couldn't do it at lower levels? Fingers crossed. 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 36 minutes ago, tumaro02 said: You have absolutely have NO idea who I am or what I do or what I watch or what I know. Your response is exactly what trash talking trolls do. You knock others down with your self given superiority complex in order to feel good about yourself. But a troll is a troll and you are the definition of one. FYI There is a useful Report function for those who make unwarranted insults.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, TheTruthHurts said: Problem with Josh Allen is his college tape is mostly terrible. So what are we hoping to see? This perfect piece of clay learn how to play QB at the highest level when he couldn't do it at lower levels? Fingers crossed. No one should be shocked that he has a steep learning curve or take it as an affront when it's stated he's behind the other rookie QBs who were drafted in the top ten.
Matt_In_NH Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 It is too early for all of them but Darnold and Mayfield are ahead of Allen clearly. Not sure on Rosen. 1
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