IDBillzFan Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 42 minutes ago, Tim Tindale said: Jared Goff and Matthew Stafford were both dumpster fires their rookie years with numbers that look very similar, if not worse, to what Allen is putting up. In fact, I remember thinking there was no way Goff would develop into a decent QB because he had such a poor pocket presence in year 1. Drew Brees’ numbers were still really weak in year 3 with the Chargers (57 pct comp pct, 11 TD, 15 INT, 67 QBR). He didn’t break out until his 4th year. Here is the NFL.com link to the stats of Rookie QB’s by year. There is little discernible correlation between rookie and long term success. Based on their numbers, RGIII, Mike Glennon, and Zach Mettenberger would have looked like potential Top 15 QB’s in the NFL for a long time... http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&statisticCategory=PASSING&season=2009&seasonType=REG&experience=0&tabSeq=0&qualified=false&Submit=Go i think history would show that a team has to be willing to invest the time with a QB - certainly beyond one year - to come to any real conclusions. At the very least, rookie numbers don’t tell us much of anything. This is a thoughtful, well-written post that suggests you are familiar with the idea of time and pressure to create a diamond. There will be none of that here. Be miserable or depart! 37 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Yet the 49'ers believe in Jimmy Garoppolo. Your logic and intelligence is not welcome here. Be miserable or depart! 1
IDBillzFan Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, Jeetz1231 said: This message board is comical. You know what's the most comical? The very people who are miserably envious of what Beathard did tonight in GB would be pissing on his front yard if, as a Bills QB, he threw that pressure-soaked pick to give the Pack the ball back with 90 seconds left in a tie game.Then they'd shake it off and head over to the coaches' houses for not calling a better play to counter the pressure. Then they'd go to Pegula's house to piss in his yard just for good measure. 2
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Success said: Is this really a thread? Everything goes. That’s all I can really say.
BruceVilanch Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, LABillzFan said: You know what's the most comical? The very people who are miserably envious of what Beathard did tonight in GB would be pissing on his front yard if, as a Bills QB, he threw that pressure-soaked pick to give the Pack the ball back with 90 seconds left in a tie game.Then they'd shake it off and head over to the coaches' houses for not calling a better play to counter the pressure. Then they'd go to Pegula's house to piss in his yard just for good measure. You just summed up the fanbase perfectly. almost everyone KNEW this was going to be a rough year (5-7 wins) and when it's going exactly how everyone thought it would before the season started people start freaking out. Everyone KNEW JA was a project and after 4 games of not throwing for 300+ and making some rookie mistakes he is the worst QB and the GM and coach need to go. 2 1
GoBills808 Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: You know what's the most comical? The very people who are miserably envious of what Beathard did tonight in GB would be pissing on his front yard if, as a Bills QB, he threw that pressure-soaked pick to give the Pack the ball back with 90 seconds left in a tie game.Then they'd shake it off and head over to the coaches' houses for not calling a better play to counter the pressure. Then they'd go to Pegula's house to piss in his yard just for good measure. Pining over Beathard...the depths must be plumbed! Downward!
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jeetz1231 said: You just summed up the fanbase perfectly. almost everyone KNEW this was going to be a rough year (5-7 wins) and when it's going exactly how everyone thought it would before the season started people start freaking out. Everyone KNEW JA was a project and after 4 games of not throwing for 300+ and making some rookie mistakes he is the worst QB and the GM and coach need to go. Yup.
IDBillzFan Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jeetz1231 said: You just summed up the fanbase perfectly. almost everyone KNEW this was going to be a rough year (5-7 wins) and when it's going exactly how everyone thought it would before the season started people start freaking out. Everyone KNEW JA was a project and after 4 games of not throwing for 300+ and making some rookie mistakes he is the worst QB and the GM and coach need to go. And don't forget the classic "Can't believe we even wanted this team to stay in Buffalo" chorus. It's hard to hear over the "I knew JA would be a bust!" chorus.
Big Blitz Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 #OCLivesMatter Daboll took this job while it had a vacancy at QB. There is no freaking way we hired the best person for the job.....and that's because no sane coach would want it.
LFC24 Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 2 hours ago, cgg716 said: It’s like people don’t understand coaches exists. Play designs, schemes. Give Shanahan Allen’s mobility and Arm strength he would be salivating. The game is all schemes, have an elite scheme and these soft rules and production is easy, even with minimal talent so basically what your saying is this franchise has no hope with Mcdermott and his coaching staff here I mean you are right, but Allen has looked pretty damn terrible so far and nothing Bills fans can say changes that.
cgg716 Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, LFC24 said: so basically what your saying is this franchise has no hope with Mcdermott and his coaching staff here I mean you are right, but Allen has looked pretty damn terrible so far and nothing Bills fans can say changes that. I like McDermott but defensive head coaches are a dying breed. Even proven winners like Tomlin and Harbaugh are on hot seats. Because innovation on offense and the rules have changed the NFL. McDermott went backwards by hiring Daboll, a guy who coordinated an offense that had trouble scoring against even softer college D. So after next season McDermott will likely be replaced by a young offensive minded coach, well a competent organization would do this, but the bills may not. We just have to hope that isn’t too late for Allen, whom I am nowhere close to writing off like others in the thread
Alphadawg7 Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) This board gets worse by the minute. Its getting real close to checking out for the season and coming back for FA and the draft. The sanity of this board is at an all time low. Edited October 16, 2018 by Alphadawg7 1
nucci Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 7 hours ago, Clyde Smith said: He has Goodwin, who do we have? we had Goodwin
The Process Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 7 hours ago, twoandfourteen said: Check his career game log: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BeatC.00/gamelog/ Only one time has this kid been under 200 yards passing in a game. Looks like a star in the making tonight on MNF. Meanwhile, Josh Allen is regularly failing to break 100 yards in a game. Beathard looked competent as a rookie last season with a group of no-name receivers, too. Only 3 more career starts. Allen needs to get really good, really quickly. Regularly failing? Wow....talk about impatience.....that's like drinking 5 slim fast drinks and expecting to lose 5 pounds.....
twoandfourteen Posted October 16, 2018 Author Posted October 16, 2018 7 hours ago, batmanfreek said: Of course. Has nothing to do with the team that is surrounding him or coaching. It's all QB talent. Just like Mahomes. They would both flourish here. ? 9ers were playoff contenders before Jimmy G went down. And it wasn't ALL because of him. It was the combination of couching, QB AND the pieces around him. We don't have that here. So before we get into the "Finger of shame to 1BD for not drafting this kid!", that kid and most others would SUCK here. Mahomes might not be throwing at a historical pace here in Buffalo. But instead of 350 & 4 TDs every game, is it a stretch to think that he'd be good enough to get 235 & 2 every game -- just on talent alone? 235 & 2 would have easily gotten you a win last Sunday. I know I'd be ok with 235 yds & 2 TDs in a game from a Bills QB at this point. The gap between Allen & other young QBs like Mahomes & Beathard last night is basically a canyon.
row_33 Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, BuffaloSkills said: Allen struggles to read defenses, holds the ball and then looks to run. he certainly doesn't look like a QB you take top 10 He hesitates in the huddle, barking it out, the first step back from the snap it takes time I guess Edited October 16, 2018 by row_33
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 9 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: I wonder what Shanahan could do with Allen. Or if he would even think it was worth the time. Do the Bills have anyone on staff that can identify a good NFL QB prospect ? Joseph Zucker -BLEACHER REPORT Oct. 5, 2018 Kyle Shanahan's Genius on Display with Beathard's Impressive Performance Nobody really doubted how good of an offensive coach Kyle Shanahan was before Monday night. His work with Beathard is another reminder of how much a good head coach can elevate his team's performance. Since replacing Jimmy Garoppolo as San Francisco's starting quarterback, Beathard has thrown for 889 yards and six touchdowns in three games. Beathard is ultimately the one who has to stand in the pocket and make the necessary throws, so his success wasn't solely down to Shanahan's scheming. But Shanahan helped set his players up well by knowing exactly how to attack the Packers defense. San Francisco made what had been a solid secondary look pedestrian.
Helpmenow Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 9 hours ago, jrober38 said: Beathard looks great. He's got minimal talent but he knows how to play the game. Lol, played at division one school. And you have his talent?
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